Is it prudent for The Church in the US to be acting as an agent of The State

[mkoopman]

Is that your response to homeschooling’s inability to provide high level technical education? Sure, ditch-digging is a respectable profession - if one freely chooses it. But for a child to be resigned to such jobs because the parents made the decision to withhold the opportunity for technical education - that’s a crime.

Pol Pot took a village, you know. And, it takes a village to present leftist liberalism where parents raising children is a violation of some “right” granted to the state. Is this child endangerment, is this child abuse?

I learned more from my grandfather’s college texts when I was at an elementary grade school level than I learned in twelve years of state approved schooling. Would it have been a crime if my parents did not send me off to learn how to smoke dope and buy liquor at twelve or thirteen years of age? I think not.

Perhaps my case is not typical, but does that somehow indicate that the Marxist ideal of state schooling is the right rule for the education of children? How is the state a better educator of children than parents?

In terms of education in the faith, who is the primary catechist of children? Is it well groomed and duly paid civil “servants?” What then is the “faith” that is mandated by state schooling. If you don’t teach your children relevant truth are you to be put in jail?

But, is there not a separation of church and state? Apparently not when you silhouette your faith and ethos as “secularism.” Or, perhaps it is properly “secularism” when the notion is raised to the level of state religion; in so much as Rome was to insist upon at the time when Christ was born.

Which leads me to declare, “Maranatha, Come Lord Jesus, Come.” Praise to Mars or Jupiter would not be the same.

 

[bjryman]

Catholic Charities, schools, and other Catholic Social Programs can become exclusively Catholic. In other words…only serving Catholics and not accepting any government support. Non-Catholics could be courteously referred to state run programs and schools.
Catholic hospitals could reestablish themselves as part of the “Catholic Healthcare System” employing ONLY Catholics and serving ONLY Catholics. All Catholics would then be exempt from Obamacare.

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Sure, but fact is that in most communites in US, Catholics represent about 1/3 of population. Unless Catholics decided in mass to gravitate to one or two Catholic institutions in an area, the providers will not survive fiscally.

Need we also be reminded that Catholics, as a group, donate “treasure” nowhere near the “tithe” amount, and as is being shown nationwide, outlying churches cannot be sustained. (Yes, also the priest shortage issue drives that condition)

 

[Zoltan_Cobalt]

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Sure, but fact is that in most communites in US, Catholics represent about 1/3 of population. Unless Catholics decided in mass to gravitate to one or two Catholic institutions in an area, the providers will not survive fiscally.

Need we also be reminded that Catholics, as a group, donate “treasure” nowhere near the “tithe” amount, and as is being shown nationwide, outlying churches cannot be sustained. (Yes, also the priest shortage issue drives that condition)

So…what are you suggesting?

That the Catholic Church in the U.S. become an agent of the state…?
That Catholic hospitals perform government mandated abortions, sex changes and euthanasia?
That Catholic schools teach that homosexuality is normal and acceptable and hire teachers who are living together out of wedlock???

Or…

Just that we need to be more generous during the offeratory?

 

[bjryman]

So…what are you suggesting?

That the Catholic Church in the U.S. become an agent of the state…?
That Catholic hospitals perform government mandated abortions, sex changes and euthanasia?
That Catholic schools teach that homosexuality is normal and acceptable and hire teachers who are living together out of wedlock???

Or…

Just that we need to be more generous during the offeratory?

What I am saying is that if the leaders of the Church truly believe that they should have the control they want, then the faithful need to fund it in time, talent and treasure. Getting in bed with Ceasar never, ever works over the long haul. We become more like Ceasar with each passing decade when we depend on him.

Yet, instead of the Church holding the Faithful accountable for support of their physical representation of faith on earth, we turn to the secular world and expect success.

…or, disengage from those ministries that require government intervention until we reach the point that the current time, talent and treasure of the faithful is sufficient to support that activity

 

[Zoltan_Cobalt]

What I am saying is that if the leaders of the Church truly believe that they should have the control they want, then the faithful need to fund it in time, talent and treasure. Getting in bed with Ceasar never, ever works over the long haul. We become more like Ceasar with each passing decade when we depend on him.

Yet, instead of the Church holding the Faithful accountable for support of their physical representation of faith on earth, we turn to the secular world and expect success.

…or, disengage from those ministries that require government intervention until we reach the point that the current time, talent and treasure of the faithful is sufficient to support that activity

We agree.