Is it Rational to Believe God Exists?

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Hello Oreoracle.
Thanks for offering a definition, but I do take issue with it. How is this different than goodwill?

With that definition, it is possible for me to love someone that I have never actually met. For example, if I give money to a charity and I’m told that my money is used to sponsor an Indian child, do I love them? After all, I desire their health, and I’m acting so as to help them achieve that end.
I think your goodwill comes from the natural law written on your heart. It is there in every heart that beats and unless something eradicates it or distorts it, persons will experience love. We aren’t saying that only Christians love. We are saying that our God, Jesus Christ, lifts our natural love to higher levels and in fact it is through loving that some come to know God. Look at the pics of Jesus on the Cross that Josh provided. Would you do that for your wife if she had debt that would only be paid that way? What about your children? What about a whole room full of people? Think about it while you gaze for a good five minutes upon the Crucifixion scene and then you’ll have a better understanding of the depth of love we are discussing.

Glenda
 
As great and elaborate post as Josh put forth(and praise God for inspiring him to do such), there is a very simple yet profound definition of “love” which necessarily involves all other “lesser” forms:

Love is “to desire the highest good of the beloved and any action taken for them to receive or obtain that good.”
Thank you Amandil 🙂

I don’t know how to define love or how we could legally define it, all I know in my humble opinion, is the love of Christ (which I believe I am still learning and trying to grow in), and it makes alot of sense to me. 🙂
"Jesus to Catalina:
Divine Providence - loveandmercy.org/Eng-DP-Reg.pdf

Even if you think that you are incapable of loving more, continue to exert yourself in that for love is like a rubber container that expands, with the only difference being that the container never explodes, it is refined until it becomes noble material.
God Bless

Thank you for reading
Josh
Hello Josh.

Actually I think depending on which book you read of Dawkin’s you can see the evolution of his thought process and to which degree is atheism has taken him. Older stuff tends to be tamer and middle aged stuff seems mean and too antisocial. Later on, he seems mellower. Some times while reading some authors I see more of their minds then I think they know is showing. Dawkin’s has a very good mind and some admirable qualities. It is a waste to see them used for negativity.

Glenda
Hey Glenda 🙂

Ive only read a bit of his book ‘The God Delusion’
Hello Josh.

Thanks for the PDFs of the Eucharistic Miracles. I’m going to share them with a friend at Church.

Glenda
🙂 It was my pleasure

God Bless

Thank you.
Josh
 
What about the rational order of things? Have you ever looked into the higher math forms and how they relate to the Universe? For me, in my spiritual quest to find God before I became Catholic, seeing the mathematical order of things always lifted my mind towards God, always. Nature and her secrets revealed to my mind the workings of God’s mind. All the beauty of it and the grandure of it all. Majesty and magnificence. I still am lifted up by those things and I know it was God showing Himself to me in a way that would reach me. God in Physics. God in Nature and the relationship of the two to Him. Yeah. It reached me long before a Bible became a book on my shelf. So, what about these things? See God in any of them? His Divine ordering of the Cosmos maybe? If so, you’d have to agree there is rational order to it all. And that rational ordering points straight towards God, well at least if you ask me, JapaneseKappa. You’ll have to gaze on the Heavens yourself. Buy a telescope and stay up late. God may show you something.
I currently have the book “Proofs from THE BOOK” sitting on my desk. It was inspired by Erdős’ description of God as having a book containing all the most beautiful mathematical proofs. Erdős once said: “You don’t have to believe in God, but you should believe in The Book.”

The point is that we can’t conclude anything about the existence of God just because we perceive math (or anything else) to be beautiful. A beautiful proof in mathematics might make us suspect that the proof is more likely to be true, but that is because the definition of “beautiful” in math is typically closely related to “simplicity” which in turn means “fewer places to make mistakes.” However, math isn’t fundamentally about describing the real world; math is about finding the consequences of axioms. Non-Euclidean and Euclidean geometry both have very interesting beautiful proofs, but they cannot both describe the real world.
 
Hello JapaneseKappa.

What about the rational order of things? Have you ever looked into the higher math forms and how they relate to the Universe? For me, in my spiritual quest to find God before I became Catholic, seeing the mathematical order of things always lifted my mind towards God, always. Nature and her secrets revealed to my mind the workings of God’s mind. All the beauty of it and the grandure of it all. Majesty and magnificence. I still am lifted up by those things and I know it was God showing Himself to me in a way that would reach me. God in Physics. God in Nature and the relationship of the two to Him. Yeah. It reached me long before a Bible became a book on my shelf. So, what about these things? See God in any of them? His Divine ordering of the Cosmos maybe? If so, you’d have to agree there is rational order to it all. And that rational ordering points straight towards God, well at least if you ask me, JapaneseKappa. You’ll have to gaze on the Heavens yourself. Buy a telescope and stay up late. God may show you something.

Glenda
The rational order of things points directly to God. Most of it is beyond human comprehension. We try to understand this order and we learn that the order is rational. This human process of study is limited compared to the objects of study. We also know no human has full grasp of the whole rational order. And we also know this ordering doesn’t happen by itself. It’s a matter of connecting the dots as St Thomas did 800 years ago. God Bless.
 
In fairness to Dawkins, I think his intention was pretty clearly to boost atheists’ morale and get them to come out of the closet. I don’t think he was interested in an actual dialogue with religious people. If he were trying to convert people, I would agree that his approach is likely ineffective.
A big problem with atheists other than unreality, is the advocacy of inhuman policies. This goes hand in hand with the unreality that they’re not ultimately accountable to God for how they live their lives. This is an open letter to Richard Dawkins from a parent of children with down’s syndrome…who Dawkins advocates for prenatal killing. I know a person with down’s syndrome. He works at a McDonald’s drive-thru that I like. He is a very joyful person and is always joking with the customers. He’s always trying to sell me apple pies when he knows very well I just want the Sausage McMuffins with egg. He’s my brother. God Bless.
firstthings.com/web-exclusives/2014/08/an-open-letter-to-richard-dawkins
 
A big problem with atheists other than unreality, is the advocacy of inhuman policies. This goes hand in hand with the unreality that they’re not ultimately accountable to God for how they live their lives. This is an open letter to Richard Dawkins from a parent of children with down’s syndrome…who Dawkins advocates for prenatal killing. I know a person with down’s syndrome. He works at a McDonald’s drive-thru that I like. He is a very joyful person and is always joking with the customers. He’s always trying to sell me apple pies when he knows very well I just want the Sausage McMuffins with egg. He’s my brother. God Bless.
firstthings.com/web-exclusives/2014/08/an-open-letter-to-richard-dawkins
Its fine if you have a difference of opinion with Dawkins, but that hardly makes a belief in God rational. In fact, using this sort of moral preference as evidence against atheism is such a textbook example of appeal to consequences that it is included on the wikipedia page about the appeal to consequences as an example of the error.

I will also point out that God is alleged to have actually killed babies. In this story below, he had the child suffer for 7 days first. If you take the position that there are no circumstances that would make killing a child acceptable, then you would have to admit that the Christian God behaved in an unacceptable way.
2 Samuel 12:14
Nevertheless, because thou hast given occasion to the enemies of the Lord to blaspheme, for this thing, the child that is born to thee, shall surely die.
 
Its fine if you have a difference of opinion with Dawkins, but that hardly makes a belief in God rational. In fact, using this sort of moral preference as evidence against atheism is such a textbook example of appeal to consequences that it is included on the wikipedia page about the appeal to consequences as an example of the error.

I will also point out that God is alleged to have actually killed babies. In this story below, he had the child suffer for 7 days first. If you take the position that there are no circumstances that would make killing a child acceptable, then you would have to admit that the Christian God behaved in an unacceptable way.
2 Samuel 12:14
If a text contradicts the teaching of Jesus that God loves all His children it is clearly false.
 
Hello JapaneseKappa.
Its fine if you have a difference of opinion with Dawkins, but that hardly makes a belief in God rational. In fact, using this sort of moral preference as evidence against atheism is such a textbook example of appeal to consequences that it is included on the wikipedia page about the appeal to consequences as an example of the error.

I will also point out that God is alleged to have actually killed babies. In this story below, he had the child suffer for 7 days first. If you take the position that there are no circumstances that would make killing a child acceptable, then you would have to admit that the Christian God behaved in an unacceptable way.
2 Samuel 12:14
I’m of a mind to think you believe there is a god somewhere but ours, Jesus Christ is unacceptable to you personally because people in the Old Testament died either by God’s hand or because the Israelites were commanded by God to kill them to gain the promised land. Does this pretty much sum it up for you?

Glenda
 
I’m of a mind to think you believe there is a god somewhere but ours, Jesus Christ is unacceptable to you personally because people in the Old Testament died either by God’s hand or because the Israelites were commanded by God to kill them to gain the promised land. Does this pretty much sum it up for you?
I think that too many people whitewash the bible. Its one thing to believe in the God of the old testament, its another thing to believe in the God of the new testament, and yet another to believe in the God of the philosophers. Those Gods are not somehow self evidently isomorphic, even though people frequently treat them as though they are.
 
I think that too many people whitewash the bible. Its one thing to believe in the God of the old testament, its another thing to believe in the God of the new testament, and yet another to believe in the God of the philosophers. Those Gods are not somehow self evidently isomorphic, even though people frequently treat them as though they are.
It amazes me how little people know God when all they know is what they
read about HIm without experiencing how He has changed them.
Alot of speaking about the lord in vain going on.
 
I think that too many people whitewash the bible. Its one thing to believe in the God of the old testament, its another thing to believe in the God of the new testament, and yet another to believe in the God of the philosophers. Those Gods are not somehow self evidently isomorphic, even though people frequently treat them as though they are.
Clearly the “substance” of reality as captured in nature, for example, includes the ferocious majesty of an African lion and the tender beauty of a rose petal. It would seem quite appropriate that “testaments” to God capture both these aspects as glimpses into the fullness of the creative splendor of Actus Purus (the God of the philosophers.) It would seem quite in keeping with the effulgence of being that God could only be appropriately, though incompletely, represented as the paradoxical confluence where mighty warrior meets sacrificial lamb. Anything else would seem a skewed misrepresentation.

For our part, understanding God may best be accomplished, as far as we are able, by holding all three aspects framed within the restricted theatre of our minds. This challenging feat would seem to function, as well, as an antidote to the all too easy compulsion to think that by grasping any one aspect we have secured and confirmed the complacent belief that we, thereby, “know” him.
 
Clearly the “substance” of reality as captured in nature, for example, includes the ferocious majesty of an African lion and the tender beauty of a rose petal. It would seem quite appropriate that “testaments” to God capture both these aspects as glimpses into the fullness of the creative splendor of Actus Purus (the God of the philosophers.) It would seem quite in keeping with the effulgence of being that God could only be appropriately, though incompletely, represented as the paradoxical confluence where mighty warrior meets sacrificial lamb. Anything else would seem a skewed misrepresentation.

For our part, understanding God may best be accomplished, as far as we are able, by holding all three aspects framed within the restricted theatre of our minds. This challenging feat would seem to function, as well, as an antidote to the all too easy compulsion to think that by grasping any one aspect we have secured and confirmed the complacent belief that we, thereby, “know” him.
I suspect that having multiple contradictory conceptions of God isn’t so much a necessity of our limited understanding, but rather a pragmatic construct which allows believers to dodge any problems that arise with one particular conception. If the God of the old testament seems evil, just point out that the God of the new testament is loving. If the God of the new testament has troubling implications for free will, just point out that the God of philosophers is timeless. If the God of philosophers has a problem of evil, just point out that the God of the old testament can do whatever he wants, he had a plan all along which explains how he used evil for a greater purpose.

If you really want to have a rational conception of God, as per the subject of this thread, then you would at least have to provide a substantive explanation for why we should believe that it is possible to rectify the contradictory conceptions with each other. Hand waving explanations about how there are a diverse and “paradoxical” beings in existence hardly constitute such a reason. We wouldn’t accept a paradoxical law of physics for that reason, why would we accept a paradoxical description of the supernatural? Especially since the whole garden of Eden story was about how there were no predators until sin entered the world.
 
I suspect that having multiple contradictory conceptions of God isn’t so much a necessity of our limited understanding, but rather a pragmatic construct which allows believers to dodge any problems that arise with one particular conception. If the God of the old testament seems evil, just point out that the God of the new testament is loving. If the God of the new testament has troubling implications for free will, just point out that the God of philosophers is timeless. If the God of philosophers has a problem of evil, just point out that the God of the old testament can do whatever he wants, he had a plan all along which explains how he used evil for a greater purpose.

If you really want to have a rational conception of God, as per the subject of this thread, then you would at least have to provide a substantive explanation for why we should believe that it is possible to rectify the contradictory conceptions with each other. Hand waving explanations about how there are a diverse and “paradoxical” beings in existence hardly constitute such a reason. We wouldn’t accept a paradoxical law of physics for that reason, why would we accept a paradoxical description of the supernatural? Especially since the whole garden of Eden story was about how there were no predators until sin entered the world.
Recall that the universe includes many paradoxical features, so it isn’t surprising that the Creator of the universe would need to bring to creatio ex nihilo more than a mere one-dimensional creativity.

As to: “a pragmatic construct which allows believers to dodge any problems that arise with one particular conception,” that sword cuts both ways. A presumption of one-dimensionality (materialism, for example) might lead an athiest to expect, nay demand, simple answers to simple questions, but a more unbiased perspective might not be so ready to dictate the terms of engagement to reality, as if reality must fit into a set category defined for it by a simple, single-dimensioned mind.

Why is it necessary to assume “one particular conception” could possibly be adequate as far as God goes, except by a predetermination of one’s own bias?

On the contrary, it might even be claimed that a single, tidy conception of God allows disbelievers the convenience of pigeon-holing Being itself into categories that do not adequately contain even genera and species because, even with such categories there are always exceptions to the rules.

Why would an expectation exist that God could be fully encapsulated in a single “rational conception” except as a “pragmatic construct” to make it convenient for those, like you, who have a prior commitment to God’s non-existence, to rule out his existence a priori?

As a demonstration that the task of capturing God within a single “rational conception” is even possible, why don’t you begin by setting down a “rational conception” that adequately describes and encapsulates for readers of this thread WHO you are in a way that doesn’t come across as simply dodging the question by avoiding problems that arise from the inadequacy of the rational faculty to “hand you - as you - over,” so to speak, in the form of a conception that can be grasped by others?
 
Why are you people disgussing God in such an intellectual manner on a Catholic message board,
neither one of you have any knowledge or show any respect for A Holy God?
What on earth are you doing?
 
Recall that the universe includes many paradoxical features, so it isn’t surprising that the Creator of the universe would need to bring to creatio ex nihilo more than a mere one-dimensional creativity.
If we allow the universe to be paradoxical, then we can simply state that the universe paradoxically created itself ex nihilo.
As to: “a pragmatic construct which allows believers to dodge any problems that arise with one particular conception,” that sword cuts both ways. A presumption of one-dimensionality (materialism, for example) might lead an athiest to expect, nay demand, simple answers to simple questions, but a more unbiased perspective might not be so ready to dictate the terms of engagement to reality, as if reality must fit into a set category defined for it by a simple, single-dimensioned mind.
As far as the universe goes, we have to take what we get. We don’t get to demand that the laws of physics be simpler than they are because we prefer simplicity. We don’t get to demand the supernatural doesn’t exist because it’s more complicated. However, it is reasonable to prefer the simpler explanation when a set of explanations all explain the data equally well. If you were presented with a few data points that all fell in a neat line, the reasonable hypothesis is that there is a linear relationship. You could hypothesize that the correct explanation is some super-complex function that just happens to be linear near the data points, but people wouldn’t be convinced until you got a new data point that fit the complex model but not the linear model. If you could come up with a data point that required the supernatural to explain, then you could argue the blade is cutting the other way. As far as I know, no theologian has ever come up with a theology-theory about, say, exorcisms that works better than theories that don’t invoke the supernatural.
Why is it necessary to assume “one particular conception” could possibly be adequate as far as God goes, except by a predetermination of one’s own bias?
You can defend whatever conception(s) of God you want, the purpose of this thread is to see if God’s existence is rational. Accepting apparently contradictory accounts uncritically is not rational. As I said, having different conceptions of God wouldn’t be a problem if they were obviously isomorphic to each other. They are not, so it is.
Why would an expectation exist that God could be fully encapsulated in a single “rational conception” except as a “pragmatic construct” to make it convenient for those, like you, who have a prior commitment to God’s non-existence, to rule out his existence a priori?

As a demonstration that the task of capturing God within a single “rational conception” is even possible, why don’t you begin by setting down a “rational conception” that adequately describes and encapsulates for readers of this thread WHO you are in a way that doesn’t come across as simply dodging the question by avoiding problems that arise from the inadequacy of the rational faculty to “hand you - as you - over,” so to speak, in the form of a conception that can be grasped by others?
Its true, you don’t need to perfectly define something to believe it exists. I can identify myself as “a human being who goes by ‘JapaneseKappa’ on the CA Forums” and it would be reasonable to think that I exist. However, if I were to identify myself as both “a 37 year old male turtle from Tokyo” “a 12 year old human female from Quebec” and “a demigod” then it would not be reasonable to think that I exist as all of those things at once. The problem isn’t that any one conception is incomplete, it is that the conceptions are incompatible.

The situation with my existence has another wrinkle. You have evidence that something is talking to you in the form of this post. There are a few possible scenarios where I may not be human (brain in a vat and the like,) but the reasonable conclusion is that I am just some person on the internet. Therefore, even without any sort of detailed definition of me, you can reasonably conclude that you are talking to something that exists, and that thing is probably human. However, with God we don’t even have a forum post. Therefore, to avoid stupid arguments like “I define myself to be God, I exist, therefore God exists” we need a coherent definition or set of conceptions as a target in order for the question “Is it Rational to Believe God Exists?” to be meaningful in the first place.
 
Its fine if you have a difference of opinion with Dawkins, but that hardly makes a belief in God rational. In fact, using this sort of moral preference as evidence against atheism is such a textbook example of appeal to consequences that it is included on the wikipedia page about the appeal to consequences as an example of the error.

I will also point out that God is alleged to have actually killed babies. In this story below, he had the child suffer for 7 days first. If you take the position that there are no circumstances that would make killing a child acceptable, then you would have to admit that the Christian God behaved in an unacceptable way.
2 Samuel 12:14
This was a punishment for David’s sin of murdering Uriah so that he could take Uriah’s wife Bathsheba for himself. The child was taken away and is in God’s hands. Would you prefer that God would allow David and Bathsheba’s sin to go unpunished? God is good. One of the characteristics that makes God good is his justice. What are you complaining about?
 
Why are you people disgussing God in such an intellectual manner on a Catholic message board,
neither one of you have any knowledge or show any respect for A Holy God?
What on earth are you doing?
Your “disgust” is unjustified on a Catholic philosophy forum. Apologetics has always provided a rational foundation for the Christian faith. Jesus Himself gave us reasons for believing in a loving Father - unlike Luther who advocated blind faith:
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Reason is a whore, the greatest enemy that faith has.
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But since the devil’s bride, Reason, that pretty whore, comes in and thinks she’s wise, and what she says, what she thinks, is from the Holy Spirit, who can help us, then? Not judges, not doctors, no king or emperor, because [reason] is the Devil’s greatest whore.
http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Martin_Luther
 
The situation with my existence has another wrinkle. You have evidence that something is talking to you in the form of this post. There are a few possible scenarios where I may not be human (brain in a vat and the like,) but the reasonable conclusion is that I am just some person on the internet. Therefore, even without any sort of detailed definition of me, you can reasonably conclude that you are talking to something that exists, and that thing is probably human. However, with God we don’t even have a forum post. Therefore, to avoid stupid arguments like “I define myself to be God, I exist, therefore God exists” we need a coherent definition or set of conceptions as a target in order for the question “Is it Rational to Believe God Exists?” to be meaningful in the first place.
No, you didn’t actually provide a rational concept that “captures” who you are, what you did was describe yourself by relating a few accidental features - where you live, your age, etc. what I am getting at is that your attempt at a “conception” could be viewed as a pragmatic construct that avoids the more sticky problem of solving a paradox - how a bag of chemicals (matter) can be said to ‘think’ (conceptualize, generalize, abstract, intend, signify or symbolize) in the first place.

So, you see, humans have a similar problem with regard to ourselves that you claim we have with regard to God.

You can defend whatever conception(s) of JapaneseKappa you want, the purpose of this thread is to see if JapaneseKappa’s existence as a rational being is rational. Accepting apparently contradictory accounts uncritically is not rational. As I said, having different conceptions of JapaneseKappa wouldn’t be a problem if they were obviously isomorphic to each other. The two accounts 1) “thinking” by conceptualizing, generalizing, abstraction, intention, signifying or symbolizing and 2) being a bag of chemicals are so obviously NOT isomorphic to each other - chemicals can’t think, signify or intend anything - that accepting this account of JapaneseKappa’s existence is irrational.

The problem is that “apparently contradictory” remains only apparent - in the real world - until we come across an example of something, in this case human beings in general, where we are compelled to face the difficult task of accounting for paradoxical accounts - in this case how chemicals could possibly think or intend anything.

Ditto with the God of the Old and New Testaments. We are faced with an apparent contradiction, like thinking chemicals, which can’t just be dismissed on the pretext that we don’t understand how to reconcile the two accounts. Time to roll up sleeves and get down to work, not take the “easy” or “elegant” ( read: “lazy”) way out merely because on the surface we are faced with a paradox. Time to dig a little deeper.

Maybe the “simple” answer is that we really don’t understand the nature of evil and are confusing human inconvenience with evil or conflating a symptom (suffering) or “accident” that often accompanies evil with the phenomenon itself. Hence, the inaccurate conclusion that God causing human suffering means, inevitably, that he is evil. Not necessarily so, however.
 
No, you didn’t actually provide a rational concept that “captures” who you are, what you did was describe yourself by relating a few accidental features - where you live, your age, etc. what I am getting at is that your attempt at a “conception” could be viewed as a pragmatic construct that avoids the more sticky problem of solving a paradox - how a bag of chemicals (matter) can be said to ‘think’ (conceptualize, generalize, abstract, intend, signify or symbolize) in the first place.

So, you see, humans have a similar problem with regard to ourselves that you claim we have with regard to God.

You can defend whatever conception(s) of JapaneseKappa you want, the purpose of this thread is to see if JapaneseKappa’s existence as a rational being is rational. Accepting apparently contradictory accounts uncritically is not rational. As I said, having different conceptions of JapaneseKappa wouldn’t be a problem if they were obviously isomorphic to each other. The two accounts 1) “thinking” by conceptualizing, generalizing, abstraction, intention, signifying or symbolizing and 2) being a bag of chemicals are so obviously NOT isomorphic to each other - chemicals can’t think, signify or intend anything - that accepting this account of JapaneseKappa’s existence is irrational.

The problem is that “apparently contradictory” remains only apparent - in the real world - until we come across an example of something, in this case human beings in general, where we are compelled to face the difficult task of accounting for paradoxical accounts - in this case how chemicals could possibly think or intend anything.

Ditto with the God of the Old and New Testaments. We are faced with an apparent contradiction, like thinking chemicals, which can’t just be dismissed on the pretext that we don’t understand how to reconcile the two accounts. Time to roll up sleeves and get down to work, not take the “easy” or “elegant” ( read: “lazy”) way out merely because on the surface we are faced with a paradox. Time to dig a little deeper.
You’re working awfully hard to create a contradictory account. The issue with what you’ve done is pretty obvious: you already have an example of a thinking-bag-of-chemicals in yourself. Therefore, you already have evidence that “thinking” and “chemicals” are not fundamentally incompatible (unless you want to take the position that your own existence is logically impossible.) No doubt you will want to object that you think you are not a thinking bag of chemicals and instead a bag-of-chemicals-plus-a-soul. That’s fine, it’s irrelevant.

I didn’t claim to be able to think (or have a soul), and I don’t feel any particular need to. Instead I will only claim to be a bag of chemicals implementing an algorithm just like a computer. If I felt like defending my ability to think (or have a soul) I would wait until after my existence-as-chemicals had been demonstrated. In the same way, I wouldn’t care if you thought you were a bag-of-chemicals-plus-a-soul. If you proved you existed as a bag of chemicals I’d be satisfied, we could argue about the “plus a soul” part later.
 
You’re working awfully hard to create a contradictory account. The issue with what you’ve done is pretty obvious: you already have an example of a thinking-bag-of-chemicals in yourself. Therefore, you already have evidence that “thinking” and “chemicals” are not fundamentally incompatible (unless you want to take the position that your own existence is logically impossible.) No doubt you will want to object that you think you are not a thinking bag of chemicals and instead a bag-of-chemicals-plus-a-soul. That’s fine, it’s irrelevant.
No its not irrelevant because what I am asking for is an account from you for how a bag of chemicals could possibly think. You haven’t provided THAT account, but your inability to explain a reality does not, as you admit, prove that the reality cannot exist.

There is no denying that I already have evidence that “thinking” and “chemicals” are not fundamentally incompatible in my own existence, however, my point is that merely having “evidence for” does not serve as an “account of.” You cannot account for how a bag of chemicals could possibly think, but that inability, in itself, does not prove bags of chemicals CAN’T think. Obviously they can.

Similarly, we have evidence that God causes human suffering (OT) and that God unconditionally loves human beings (NT). Both are true of God.

What you are claiming is that because human beings can’t explain how both could be true that inability to “rationally account for” makes one or the other false.

That can’t be true, because neither can human beings explain how chemicals can think or intend, but that simple inability, in itself, is not sufficient to prove chemicals can’t think or intend.

Ditto, our inability to explain how God could BOTH cause human suffering AND love human beings unconditionally does not, by itself, falsify that both could be true about God.

Hence it remains rational to believe both could be true even if they are paradoxical, just as it remains rational to believe chemicals can think without an account that sufficiently explains how that could be possible.

Things are not contradictory until they are positively shown to be contradictory. It is rational to allow that chemicals can think until it is proved otherwise despite our superficial objections. It remains rational to think God may cause or permit human suffering and still love human beings unconditionally, until it is proved incontrovertibly that doing both is contradictory, as far as God goes.
 
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