Is it Right for the Catholic Church to fund groups that attack the American Way of Life?

[Redbandito]

Out of curiosity, how many of you voted democrat in the previous election (specifically Obama)?

 

[Redbandito]

Still unclear to me: what’s xtb?

X tuberculosis (a mutated strain of tuberculosis) which is highly contagious, can be untreatable and has been seen in Mexico on several occassions.

 

[catharina]

The average immigrant just wants to settle in America with no fuss. Mexicans are forcing their culture on all other Americans. That’s why I consider them invaders. Does that answer your question?

If you look at my original post you can see how they are forcing laws on an American town.

This view reminds me of the national (and well-publicized) hysteria that objected to immigration by Catholics - from Ireland, Italy, Poland, Germany - and by Jews from anywhere - for much of the previous 150 years. Some things never seem to change.

 

[catharina]

Out of curiosity, how many of you voted democrat in the previous election (specifically Obama)?

There’s only one of me but I’ll answer your question.
With a loaded gun to my head, I would never have voted for Obama.

 

[Bullfighter]

This view reminds me of the national (and well-publicized) hysteria that objected to immigration by Catholics - from Ireland, Italy, Poland, Germany - and by Jews from anywhere - for much of the previous 150 years. Some things never seem to change.

Why are many schools dropping every foreign language to teach only Spanish?

Why are their more Spainish only radio and TV stations than any other language?

Why is PBS trying to teach Spanish to every American child?

Why do Mexican parents who can speak pretty good English insist on teaching their children to speak Spanish first, and in some cases, only Spanish?

Who is assimilating who?

 

[wanner47]

It’s OK to love your country. But don’t forget the God who put you there.
Are you saying God is only allowed to love America and that he must love the USA more than any other nation?

Do you really believe that God is going to let you off the hook from defending your country? I see! Thank you all you millions of veterans for fighting all those wars for ME, but when my country needs ME, I pull out the bible and find excuses.

Care to actually answer his question, Bullfighter?

Answering a question with another question (and an unrelated one at that) is a clear avoidance tactic.

What is your response to the question, “Are you saying God is only allowed to love America and that he must love the USA more than any other nation?”

 

[Bullfighter]

Care to actually answer his question, Bullfighter?

Answering a question with another question (and an unrelated one at that) is a clear avoidance tactic.

What is your response to the question, “Are you saying God is only allowed to love America and that he must love the USA more than any other nation?”

It’s a ridiculous question. The answer in NO!

 

[Redbandito]

Catharina, what is your point? Are you saying you did not understand my point about southeast Asia AND china? If not why are you arguing semantics? I told you I am typing on an iPhone. That point was completely irrelevant to thetopic of my response which was to say neither of those are comparable to Mexico. A point I might add you chose to ignore.

Second, my response to the god/luck question was not “what?” as in “I don’t know tell me.” but rather it was a “what” as in “what relevance does this have to the discussion.” I was confused on how the god/luck point applied. Which is why I went on to ask for clarification in my next sentence.

Finally, you really made my original point in the second to last response. The fact that some are born in Mexico and thus have more access does not mean they deserve it more than those who don’t(I.e. Those in china, etc). Yet we are less likely to take LEGAL immigrants from other countries when we have countless illegals pouring in from south of the border.

 

[Redbandito]

There’s only one of me but I’ll answer your question.
With a loaded gun to my head, I would never have voted for Obama.

okay thank you for your honesty.

 

[Bullfighter]

Catharina, what is your point? Are you saying you did not understand my point about southeast Asia AND china? If not why are you arguing semantics? I told you I am typing on an iPhone. That point was completely irrelevant to thetopic of my response which was to say neither of those are comparable to Mexico. A point I might add you chose to ignore.

Second, my response to the god/luck question was not “what?” as in “I don’t know tell me.” but rather it was a “what” as in “what relevance does this have to the discussion.” I was confused on how the god/luck point applied. Which is why I went on to ask for clarification in my next sentence.

Finally, you really made my original point in the second to last response. The fact that some are born in Mexico and thus have more access does not mean they deserve it more than those who don’t(I.e. Those in china, etc). Yet we are less likely to take LEGAL immigrants from other countries when we have countless illegals pouring in from south of the border.

I have a question that I used on Mexicans that I knew just to play with their brains a little.

I would ask: In 1968, I think, American astronauts landed on the moon right? They would reply “Right!”

The American astronauts planted an American flag right? They would again reply “Right!”

As far as we know, no other nation has been on the surface of the moon, right? Again they would reply, “Right!”

So tell me, Does that mean the United States of America owns the moon? Would that make the first astronauts, Native Moonians?

 

[Feanor]

I’m kind of curious as to what exactly is this ubiquitous “American Way of Life”

Is it like hot dogs and go cart races or something?- maybe big colorful lollipops? Drag races?

 

[wanner47]

It’s a ridiculous question. The answer in NO!

If that’s the case, why do you believe that it’s not right for the Catholic Church to fund groups that allegedly attack the “American Way of Life”?

 

[Bullfighter]

okay thank you for your honesty.

Everyone I voted for lost!

 

[Redbandito]

I have a question that I used on Mexicans that I knew just to play with their brains a little.

I would ask: In 1968, I think, American astronauts landed on the moon right? They would reply “Right!”

The American astronauts planted an American flag right? They would again reply “Right!”

As far as we know, no other nation has been on the surface of the moon, right? Again they would reply, “Right!”

So tell me, Does that mean the United States of America owns the moon? Would that make the first astronauts, Native Moonians?

Bull, despite agreeing with your points about the need for better border enforcement, we are not together in this. I do not appreciate your tactics. Nor do I find your “messing with their brains” on the basis of race remotely amusing or catholic. I think you have a couple of valid points but they’re lost due to your tone.

 

[Bullfighter]

If that’s the case, why do you believe that it’s not right for the Catholic Church to fund groups that allegedly attack the “American Way of Life”?

Since the American Way of Life guarentees the Catholic Church freedom of religion, I would think they would be grateful to America and not fund those groups!

 

[Redbandito]

I’m kind of curious as to what exactly is this ubiquitous “American Way of Life”

Is it like hot dogs and go cart races or something?- maybe big colorful lollipops? Drag races?

I think it is a very simple concept. Follow the laws of the land, respect the history and tradition, appreciate the opportunities, learn the language, and assimilate to the culture (while not forgetting the one you came from). Unfortunately there are some who impede these goals from realization. Because of this those who suffer most are the illegals themselves.

 

[Bullfighter]

Bull, despite agreeing with your points about the need for better border enforcement, we are not together in this. I do not appreciate your tactics. Nor do I find your “messing with their brains” on the basis of race remotely amusing or catholic. I think you have a couple of valid points but they’re lost due to your tone.

I think it is a perfect example of who owns what!!

No one else could possibly claim to have been there.

It illustrates that only a civilized society can claim ownership to a nation.

 

[Redbandito]

I think it is a perfect example of who owns what!!

No one else could possibly claim to have been there.

It illustrates that only a civilized society can claim ownership to a nation.

My point is that you are telling this story now as a way to mock and ridicule the “mexicans” about how you “play with their brains.” again valid points lost because of tone.

 

[Lujack]

The is the biggest bunch of BS I have ever heard. The Mexicans never sent troops to ANY theatre of operations in WW2. Sorry Pal. Your BS level is through the roof.

You are wrong, and I expect an apology for accusing me of lying.

The 201st Mexican Fighter Squadron, nicknamed the Aztec Eagles, flew fifty-one combat missions while based out of Luzon, specifically flying from Clark Field. They suffered five combat deaths, and produced one ace, Charlie Foster… 15,000 other Mexican troops were sent overseas, but only the 201st saw combat. Here’s one of the sources I used (it doesn’t mention the 15,00 who saw no combat or the ace, Foster, but it does back up what I’m telling you about the Aztec Eagles):
avalanchepress.com/MexicanAirForce.php

I never mention the plot that Germany was trying to hatch with Mexico to invade the US during WW1 because it WAS far fetched but I guess you didn’t want to bring up the Zimmermann telegram because that might make you buddies look bad. Every High School student should know that one but I guess they teach a politically correct version now. When the Mexicans become a majority in this country, they will be the ones who have one the war single handedly.

I know all about the Zimmerman Telegram. Do you know what made it farfetched? Mexico was in a state of near-anarchy, was in talks with the ABC powers of South America on how to avoid war with the United States, and didn’t have any interest in retaking the Southwest, bandits like Pancho Villa notwithstanding. That’s what makes it so inexplicable on the part of the Germans; it wasn’t going to accomplish anything.

And what war are you talking about the Mexicans winning, anyway? They didn’t enter WWI.

Your confusing 25,000 Brazilian troops that were sent to the Italian campaign during WW2.

No, I’m not. Mexico was the only Latin American nation other than Brazil to send any troops overseas in WWII. Contrary to your image of the country as lazy and worthless, they managed to rouse themselves from a tough situation and join the fight.

And you don’t know a thing about how WW2 soldiers were cheated. My father was denied the GI Bill after serving 4 years of his life in the Army. He was supposed to get a 4-5 stipend to live on while he went to school. A few months into the program he received a lettle demanding that he pay all the money back or he would be jailed. No one would help him so he had to live off of what he could. DON’T TELL ME ABOUT WARS AND ABOUT JUSTICE.

I’m sorry about what happened to your father. I really am. That sounds like a unique circumstance, though.

When Ken Burns was filming his documentary “The War”, he was forced to include all different variations of nationalities just to keep the natives happy. But when he was on Charlie Rose talking about the pressure he was receiving from Latino groups to include them, he said he had to restructure the whole program. He admitted that he had to do it because PBS is his biggest client. But he did say that those groups played a minor role as their just weren’t that many Mexican-Americans in the service. The majority of soldiers were white, with the next largest race being black.

That’s correct. The majority of the country was white, with the next largest race being black. I liked the way Burns structured the program, though. It gives a great sense of the all-encompassing nature of WWII, and how it affected every single little group across the United States.

The only contribution of Mexicans was picking crops in the US then belly aching about wanting Social Security benefits years after the war.

Proven wrong by the facts.

You might be confusing Puerto Ricans with Mexicans which I would never do. The Puerto Rican soldiers played a vital role in every war of the 20th century that involved the United States. They earned the right to be here.

I’m not confusing Puerto Ricans with Mexicans.

No matter how much aid we ever dumped into Mexico, it was never enough for them. It’s time to cut the cord.

Because you happen to be so big on history, how’s this for history?

For all that aid we dumped into Mexico, we still invaded them in 1848 for the purposes of expanding slavery and taking their land. A future American president and one of America’s greatest generals (and a veteran of the war), Ulysses S. Grant, dubbed the Mexican War as “one of the most unjust ever waged by a stronger nation against a weaker”. Other American luminaries like Abraham Lincoln bitterly opposed it.

It isn’t like we’ve been the best of neighbors to Mexico over the years, as you seem to imply.

Oh, and for all your invasion rhetoric, about how they’re about to destroy American culture? American culture has changed. For two hundred years, it was bitterly anti-Catholic, and Catholics, particularly the Irish ones, were the ones who people like you would have been calling invaders.

 

[catharina]

My point is that you are telling this story now as a way to mock and ridicule the “mexicans” about how you “play with their brains.” again valid points lost because of tone.

Grateful to see both of your clarifications re where the road splits between you and bullfighter. It is indeed his tone that is so insulting, one-dimensional, so filled with ridicule, so supportive of obvious bigotry that I find it difficult to agree with a word he says. Like most people in this country - including many newcomers, I fully agree that the nation needs immigration reform.