Is it Right for the Catholic Church to fund groups that attack the American Way of Life?

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NO ONE! NO ONE has the RIGHT to be an American! NO ONE!

You earn it!
How does one earn the right to pursue the American Dream? Come here legally? Of course, I agree with that.

But other than that, the people who are already here have absolutely no moral right to restrict the next wave of immigrants from entering the country.

I feel for your law enforcement problem
 
Why is Juan RandomMexican responsible for what happened over the past 150 years in Mexico? If you want to use that logic, then both you and I are personally responsible for the transAtlantic slave trade.
Every person is responsible for themselves. You treat these people like they are less than human when you treat them like they are the “White Man’s Burden”!

Why is the average American responsible for what Mexicans did in Mexico?
 
How does one earn the right to pursue the American Dream? Come here legally? Of course, I agree with that.

But other than that, the people who are already here have absolutely no moral right to restrict the next wave of immigrants from entering the country.

I feel for your law enforcement problem
Yes they do!

Do you consider the United States of America the world’s toilet?

Anybody can dump anything here and it OK with us!

Immigration is NOT in the Constitution. It is NOT a right for anyone in the world to use.
 
using OP’s logic, Native Americans should rise up and slaughter every American whose descendents came from outside our borders, no matter how long ago, and arm the borders.

There were no immigration laws until early in the last century and those were based firmly in ethnic and religious bigotry of the time, so the laws themselves are flawed. Until Congress gets down to a real reform of immigration law based on legitimate national interests, IMO there is not a lot of incentive to support the current system.
Then why don’t you open your house to these people and let them live with you. If your such a christian, PROVE IT!

“OH,NO! Not my money!!”

If you feel sorry for Indians, why don’t you live in a teepee? That what they would be living in right now if people from other lands hadn’t arrived here!
 
Yes they do!

Do you consider the United States of America the world’s toilet?

Anybody can dump anything here and it OK with us!

Immigration is NOT in the Constitution. It is NOT a right for anyone in the world to use.
Man, your view of America is much different from mine.

I would suggest that you reread this thread and take a deep breath and walk away from the keyboard, and let it go until tomorrow.
 
OLD TESTAMENT

You must not oppress the stranger; you know
how a stranger feels, for you lived as strangers in
the land of Egypt. (Ex 23:9)
If a stranger lives with you in your land, do not
molest him. You must count him as one of your
own countrymen and love him as yourself — for
you were once strangers yourselves in Egypt. I am
the Lord your God. (Lv 19:32-34)
Set aside part of your goods for almsgiving. Never
turn your face from any poor man and God will
never turn his from you. (Tb 4:7-8)
No more mockery of justice, no more favoring of
the wicked! Let the weak and the orphan have
justice, be fair to the wretched and destitute; rescue
the weak and needy, save them from the
clutches of the wicked! (Ps 82:2-4)
The Lord, who does what is right, is always on the
side of the oppressed. (Ps 103:6)
Speak, yourself, on behalf of the dumb, on behalf
of all the unwanted; speak, yourself, pronounce a
just verdict, uphold the rights of the poor, of the
needy. (Prv 31:8-9)
To the poor man lend an ear, and return his
greeting courteously. Save the oppressed from the
hand of the oppressor, and do not be mean-spirited
in your judgments. (Eccl 4:8-9)
Woe to the legislators of infamous laws, to those
who issue tyrannical decrees, who refuse justice
to the unfortunate and cheat the poor among my
people of their rights, who make widows their
prey, and rob the orphan. (Is 10:1-2)
The spirit of the Lord God has been given to me,
for God has anointed me. He has sent me to bring
good news to the poor, to bind up hearts that are
broken; to proclaim liberty to the captives, freedom
to those in prison; to proclaim a year of
favor from the Lord. (Is 61:1-2)
The Lord says this: Practice honesty and integrity;
rescue the man who has been wronged from the
hands of his oppressor; do not exploit the
stranger, the orphan, the widow; do no violence,
shed no innocent blood in this place. (Jer 22:3-4)
What is good has been explained to you; this is
what the Lord asks of you: only this, to act justly,
to love tenderly, and to walk humbly with your
God. (Mi 6:8)
Apply the law fairly, and practice kindness and
compassion toward each other. Do not oppress
the widow or the orphan, the alien or the poor,
and do not secretly plan evil against one another.
(Zec 7:8-11)

cont.
Elizabeth -
Thanks for all of these! I printed some out and taped them to my mirror.
 
using OP’s logic, Native Americans should rise up and slaughter every American whose descendents came from outside our borders, no matter how long ago, and arm the borders.

There were no immigration laws until early in the last century and those were based firmly in ethnic and religious bigotry of the time, so the laws themselves are flawed. Until Congress gets down to a real reform of immigration law based on legitimate national interests, IMO there is not a lot of incentive to support the current system.
I am sorry. I agree that individuals have an obligation to be charitable to people of all racial/ethnic backgrounds. However, even the USCCB acknowledges that a sovereign country has a right to make laws enforcing their borders. It is not “ethnic and religious bigotry” to do so either. Nobody is arguing our laws are perfect. In many ways, they need reform. All seem to agree on this whether you believe we should have open borders, or whether you believe there should be more strict enforcement. The bottom line is that we are a nation of laws. It is not inherently unjust to enforce sovereign borders, therefore we must “give unto Caesar.”
 
NEW TESTAMENT
For I was hungry and you gave me food; I was
thirsty and you gave me drink; I was a stranger
and you made me welcome; naked and you
clothed me; sick and you visited me; in prison
and you came to see me … I tell you solemnly, in
so far as you did this to one of the least of these
brothers and sisters of mine, you did it to me.
(Mt 25:35-40)
This is the first (commandment) … you must love
the Lord your God with all your heart, with all
your soul, with all your mind and with all your
strength. The second is this: You must love your
neighbor as yourself. There is no commandment
greater than these. (Mk 12:30-31)

The spirit of the Lord has been given to me, for
he has anointed me. He has sent me to bring the
good news to the poor, to proclaim liberty to captives
and to the blind new sight, to set the downtrodden
free, to proclaim the Lord’s year of favor.
(Lk 4:18-19)
… there are no more distinctions between Jew
and Greek, slave and free, male and female, but
all of you are one in Christ Jesus. (Gal 3:28)
In your minds you must be the same as Christ
Jesus: His state was divine, yet he did not cling to
his equality with God but emptied himself to
assume the condition of a slave, and became as
men are; and being as all men are, he was humbler
yet, even to accepting death, death on a
cross. (Phil 2: 5-8)
You are God’s chosen race, his saints; he loves
you, and you should be clothed in sincere compassion,
in kindness and humility, gentleness and
patience. (Col 3:12-13)
Anyone who says, ‘I love God,’ and hates his
brother, is a liar, since a man who does not love
the brother that he can see cannot love God,
whom he has never seen. So this is the commandment
that he has given us, that anyone who loves
God must also love his brother. (1 Jn 4:19-21
32

“I Was a Stranger and You Welcomed Me…”
Nobody is denying our obligation to be charitable and provide for our neighbor. You run into trouble trying to apply these passages to a sovereign government’s right to legislate and enforce borders.
 
Every person is responsible for themselves. You treat these people like they are less than human when you treat them like they are the “White Man’s Burden”!
I don’t treat them like they are the “White Man’s Burden”. I think of them like they are a fellow human, which makes them my neighbor and my brother.
Why is the average American responsible for what Mexicans did in Mexico?
We have the ability to do good. Thus, we have the responsibility to do good. We are called to be men of Christ, men for others.

Besides, why is a Mexican born today responsible for what happened in Mexico 50, 75, or 100 years ago any more than an American is? That’s a question you refuse to answer. Unless you want to take personal responsibility for the Trans-Atlantic slave trade…
 
Um. . . ah. . . Bullfighter- you seem a little tense.

Take a walk- have some tea or something.

Just trying to be helpful:)
 
Lujack is right, I am Irish. And Ireland has been a neutral country since her foundation as a modern democracy.
Also, the USA is an immigrant nation, at which point do we draw the line to definitively define ‘American culture, or way of life’?
What does this even mean? Who is arguing we should outlaw immigration? This is simply a red herring. The argument applies to those who would choose to disregard the rule of law and “steal” citizenship for themselves (at least de facto). I have no problem with people from any nation who wants to be an American going through the process of nationalization. That is very different from the 18 million or so immigrants that disregarded our laws and illegally came to our country. Would I allow these people to starve? Absolutely not. Should those who violate the law be rewarded for doing so? Absolutely not. You guys have created a false dichotomy.
 
How does one earn the right to pursue the American Dream? Come here legally? Of course, I agree with that.

But other than that, the people who are already here have absolutely no moral right to restrict the next wave of immigrants from entering the country.

I feel for your law enforcement problem
I am confused. What does this mean? You agree that those who would come here should do so legally, but then seem to contradict this with the statement, “absolutely no moral right to restrict the next wave of immigrants” comment. Regardless of the fact that this has no basis in the infallible teaching of the Church over morality or social justice, how do you reconcile these two statements? In other words, what should the consequences be for those who disregard the law if you believe it is immoral to have a law in the first place?
 
For the record, those of you who appear to be arguing against any right of the state to legislate and enforce borders need to read this document by the USCCB. It is a much more balanced look at our obligation as both Catholics and citizens of the United States. Make sure to read the first paragraph of page 25. usccb.org/faithfulcitizenship/FCStatement.pdf
 
My grandfather was in the Army in WW1

My father was in the Army in WW2
Bull, while I agree that those who transgress our immigration laws should have consequences, I believe you have taken the wrong approach to this discussion. Please read the document I posted above from the USCCB regarding social justice. It is important as Catholics to conform our opinions to the teaching of the Church. I understand your frustration with the current system and those who violate the rule of law, but the anger in your responses seems to go a bit beyond this. There is enough merit in the argument to avoid personal attacks and angry rants about specific ethnic groups. Charity above all things, because there is no truth outside of love.
 
I repeat: How did you earn it?
Oh yeah! I was in the last draft this wonderful country had. Is that nice. Every one of us was FORCED BY LAW to defend this wonderful country just so years later a bunch of christians could hand it over to an invading army of Mexicans.

Isn’t that wonderful. That’s how much this country appreciates what its veterans have done.
 
My grandfather was in the Army in WW1

My father was in the Army in WW2
I summarily do declare, your grandfather has earned his tight to be an American!

I summarily do declare, your father has earned his tight to be an American!

You haven’t yet answered if you meet up to your own standards.
 
Oh yeah! I was in the last draft this wonderful country had. Is that nice. Every one of us was FORCED BY LAW to defend this wonderful country just so years later a bunch of christians could hand it over to an invading army of Mexicans.

Isn’t that wonderful. That’s how much this country appreciates what its veterans have done.
What branch of the military did you fight in?
 
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