Is it true that it takes a village to raise a child?

[Xantippe]

Anyhow, I actually think it’s comical the way many parents are trying like crazy to keep away reality for their kids because, come university, the professors will put the final touches on their kids’ brains, and completely have them switched to leave their faith, and believe all kinds of nonsense. So in the end, parents lose the control they fought so hard to gain.

I hope that people don’t stop learning, thinking, or growing the moment the ink is dry on their college diplomas.

I suspect that most of us adults in this thread have changed a lot since we were 22.

 

[Xanthippe_Voorhees]

I once saw a rabbit outside while visiting one sister. I said to the kids, “Look at the rabbit. I’d love to eat that rabbit and have rabbit stew.” Well, my sister was very aggrieved. Her husband and she had to calm the girls down because they love animals and the evening went along with wrinkles. The stupid thing is those kids eat beef, chicken and pork all the time. Nobody took the trouble to cry over the cows, chickens and pigs, just the rabbits, it turns out. So then I’m the bad guy. Parents can certainly be a nutty lot.

Excuse me

What?

I’ve killed my own fowl (that I raised from hatchling) and fish. I helped my friend get scraps for her pig that she raised for slaughter as a 4H project.

I’ve actually talked to someone who raised “fryer” rabbits. We discussed the flexibility they had and how we could make good money if people appreciated rabbit these days.

But I find it absolutely appalling that you’d spot a wild bunny and just start talking about eating it in front of children with no context. I get the hypocrisy of someone not teaching children that their meat comes from a living animal, but I would be livid at the kind of callousness towards wild animals.

Your sister has a good reason to exclude you from her children’s village.

Being respectful of animals doesn’t somehow correlate to losing one’s faith or beliefs because one has been never been properly challenged or sheltered. A parent can have priorities and it sounds like you have done everything possible to ensure that you are not part of your sisters.

And it seems like she was wise.

 

[ConfusedLucy]

Lara I think you need to take a look at your motivations with regards to these children. I’m wondering if you just enjoy drama to be honest.

 

[Lara]

Xanthippe_Voorhees
Once again, you have hopped to conclusions. I’m definitely enjoying a great relationship with my nieces. My sister got in a fluff because her husband got in a fluff because the girls got in a fluff about…nothing.

There’s no difference between wanting to eat a wild rabbit and wanting to eat a farm rabbit. How do you make these fine distinctions? In fact, it’s possibly more ethical to eat the one you haven’t named, the wild one. Is it bad to eat a fish from the river but good to eat one from a fish farm? Is it bad to hunt deer, but good to eat beef?

You don’t need a context to express a desire to eat a wild rabbit, which I have never done, btw. It’s not drama. It’s just a desire. When I see a bird flying in the air, I would like to know that in a harsh time, such as North Korea in the 1990’s famine, I could catch it and eat it. Or if I was stuck in a raft on the ocean, that I could survive. Have you lost the survivalist instinct?

 

[Xanthippe_Voorhees]

Xanthippe_Voorhees
Once again, you have hopped to conclusions. I’m definitely enjoying a great relationship with my nieces. My sister got in a fluff because her husband got in a fluff because the girls got in a fluff about…nothing.

There’s no difference between wanting to eat a wild rabbit and wanting to eat a farm rabbit. How do you make these fine distinctions? Is it bad to eat a fish from the river but good to eat one from a fish farm? Is it bad to hunt deer, but good to eat beef?

You don’t need a context to express a desire to eat a wild rabbit, which I have never done, btw. It’s not drama. It’s just a desire. When I see a bird flying in the air, I would like to know that in a harsh time, such as North Korea in the 1990’s famine, I could catch it and eat it. Or if I was stuck in a raft on the ocean, that I could survive. Have you lost the survivalist instinct?

I’m not jumping to any conclusions.

Your statement was inappropriate and unwelcome, as indicated by the fact that you upset the children and angered their parents.

Your family would be right to keep children from you.

We are NOT in Korea, nor are we starving, nor are we in the depression. Even then people would have a bit more respect than identifying animals and saying how they would cook them.

Hunting/fishing/trapping for the set purpose of eating an animal is a far cry from seeing a wild animal outside of food gathering and declaring it food and thinking up ways to cook it, nevermind letting those words come out of your mouth.

But you will never see my point because you’re so convinced that what you did is right and that it isn’t wrong at all to be upset about eating wild animals…I’ve eaten wild animals and control my tongue far better than that.

Maybe it’s my native American roots. We tend to be respectful of things that die for us to live, plants or animals. Perhaps it’s fine and dandy in your out of touch culture to blather on about killing random animals, but it is not in mine. (And dosn’t seem so for your sister, either)

 

[Lara]

Your supposed to find your spouse among the people that have already been raised.

Once again, two parents are all that’s needed to raise a child. The rest are bonuses, i.e. grandparents, aunts, uncles. That’s because the people who have final say over who gets to be in the village, the parents, have power, because they know they can pretty well cover all the bases and the other people are superfluous. They happen to give power to school teachers, and that is often their folly, for these teachers often undo the good work of Catholic parents and teach values contrary to the faith.

When a child dies tragically, the news station says, we are contacting the child’s kin or next of kin. They never say, we are trying to find the child’s music teacher to notify him. We know who is most important to a child. Therefore it doesn’t “take” a village to raise a child.

 

[Lara]

Again, you’ve hopped to conclusions. You have no way of knowing my skin color. Nada. Zero.

You’ve eaten wild animals. So what is your problem? Some people eat wild animals after thanking the Creator, and some people eat wild animals after thanking the waitress up in Yellowknife or Alaska.

It’s not callous to want to eat a wild animal. It’s how the first Native American probably thought up the idea. A beaver was swimming in the creek and a Native American probably thought, gee, I wonder what that would feel like to eat.

You’re making some very spurious distinctions.

 

[Xanthippe_Voorhees]

Again, you’ve hopped to conclusions. You have no way of knowing my skin color. Nada. Zero.

You’ve eaten wild animals. So what is your problem? Some people eat wild animals after thanking the Creator, and some people eat wild animals after thanking the waitress up in Yellowknife or Alaska.

It’s not callous to want to eat a wild animal. It’s how the first Native American probably thought up the idea. A beaver was floating in the creek and a Native American probably thought, gee, I wonder what that would feel like to eat.

You’re making some very spurious distinctions.

You have no respect towards animals. It’s very clear. There is a HUGE difference between seeking out an animal to eat because one is hungry and running ones mouth at the sight of a wild animal.

HUGE difference.

Maybe you’re not white. Maybe you’re some other color. I am trying to give your rudeness the benefit of the doubt. But you are incredibly callous and disrespectful, and your family is right to keep you from children. You’re not callous because you’re willing to eat wild animals, it’s simply callous to blurt out those thoughts with no context in front of children and then be aggrieved because the children’s parents are appalled by the behavior.

 

[Benadam]

A village can help but is not necessary

 

[Mark121359]

Perhaps it’s fine and dandy in your white culture to blather on about killing random animals, but it is not in mine.

While you’re excoriating her and telling her “your family would be right to keep children from you.” I’d be questioning the ethics about the person who would say something as offensive as the bolded in the quote above!

 

[Xanthippe_Voorhees]

While you’re excoriating her and telling her “your family would be right to keep children from you.” I’d be questioning the ethics about the person who would say something as offensive as the bolded in the quote above!

Changed it to “out of touch” because that’s obviously what it is. White, yellow, red, black, purple or brown. It’s completely out of touch to go around spouting off about eating helpless wild animals in front of children with no context and not in a famine condition.

 

[Xantippe]

Your supposed to find your spouse among the people that have already been raised.

In other words, it’s not possible for a single nuclear family to do everything necessary for launching their children into adult life–at the minimum there needs to be a village out there raising spouses for their children to marry.

 

[Lara]

Then I’m suffering from lust (desire to eat an animal) and you’re going all the way and eating the animal. I don’t see a problem desiring to eat an animal. I also don’t see a problem teaching children to see animals for what they are. Sometimes, they’re pets, sometimes they bound through the hills and we enjoy the sight-- I saw my first moose five years ago!–and sometimes we eat them with relish.

So you’re probably a fan of the seal hunt, are you? As long as it’s intended as part of a food gathering day, it’s okay. But if you see one swimming about, and have a little inclination to eat it, it’s wrong.

 

[Xanthippe_Voorhees]

Then I’m suffering from lust (desire to eat an animal) and you’re going all the way and eating the animal. I don’t see a problem desiring to eat an animal. I also don’t see a problem teaching children to see animals for what they are. Sometimes, they’re pets, sometimes they bound through the hills and we enjoy the sight-- I saw my first moose five years ago!–and sometimes we eat them with relish.

So you’re probably a fan of the seal hunt, are you? As long as it’s intended as part of a food gathering day, it’s okay. But if you see one swimming about, and have a little inclination to eat it, it’s wrong.

It’s your attitude that’s the issue, not the action.

Obviously, you think your attitude is fine.

I find such an attitude gross and repulsive and hope to God that my children never meet or are influenced by someone who callously dribbles out rude statements during their childhood. It will happen, I’m sure, but I will never let them be around such a person again, family or not.

I will prepare them to face an adulthood full of mean people who say nasty things. They will learn to have pity on people who don’t know when to keep their mouths shut.

I’m all in favor of creating my children’s village and now I know exactly who I want to keep on the outside.

 

[Lara]

When you can’t make a rational argument, you resort to name calling. You’ve done it in other posts.

When I start pointing out the flaws in your logic, you turn the tables and state the issue is not what we’ve been discussing, but is rather my attitude. Please learn from this, and find some logic to your argument. Just imagine me to be a person who woke up on the wrong side of the bed, and continue.

Most people who you are likely to meet who are truthful and rational like I am, are also smart enough to keep a low profile around liberal people like yourself who are prone to instantly default to emotionalism. You would not be able to spot me in your circle and even identify me to keep me outside of your circle. In fact, I could be your child’s daycare worker and you’d be none the wiser.

 

[Xanthippe_Voorhees]

When you can’t make a rational argument, you resort to name calling. You’ve done it in other posts.

When I start pointing out the flaws in your logic, you turn the tables and state the issue is not what we’ve been discussing, but is rather my attitude. Please learn from this, and find some logic to your argument. Just imagine me to be a person who woke up on the wrong side of the bed, and continue.

Most people who you are likely to meet who are truthful and rational like I am, are also smart enough to keep a low profile around liberal people like yourself who are prone to instantly default to emotionalism. You would not be able to spot me in your circle and even identify me to keep me outside of your circle. In fact, I could be your child’s daycare worker.

I corrected the “name call” My bad.

You make your own assumptions. You reveal your own nature by your words. I need not.

My child is in my or my husband’s control at all times. I would not tolerate a daycare worker who was vile, even if it meant being homeless because I had no job. Fortunately, I’m smart enough to figure out ways to stay solvent and keep my child from vile people.

I plan to homeschool and do co-op where I can vet people and again, should my child meet a nasty person, I will remove them from their presence. I will teach my children to pity adults who have diarrhea of the mouth.

I’m liberal, that’s rich. :crazy_face:

Being respectful of animals does not make one a liberal. Holding your tongue certainly does not.

The whole issue of this thread is if it takes a village to raise a child. You’re the one who tried to make the case that a parent shouldn’t ban a relative who makes a repulsive statement from speaking to a child. This whole THREAD is about what parents CAN do to bring up their child in a world of their choosing.

The child will then be prepared for all the disturbing characters as they go to college and beyond.

 

[Lara]

By disturbing, I take it you mean rational.

 

[Xanthippe_Voorhees]

By disturbing, I take it you mean rational.

No, that’s what you mean, quite clearly.

But it’s your own prerogative. I’m sure there are plenty of parents happy to wallow in such behavior.

I, for one, am not.

Being rational would lead one to know what to say in mixed company, in the company of children or special needs adults. Rationality is not an open platform for rudeness. One can be completely blunt and rational without saying things that are inappropriate. You seem to believe otherwise. Rationality is far more than saying whatever meandering thought pops into one’s head. It is understanding that there is a time and a place. A rational person is not going to yell “fire” in a perfectly un-burning crowded theatre because it’s their right to do so. A rational person is not going to make a joke about being hit by a bus when an old person is hobbling across the street. A rational person is not going to go against a parent’s wishes for their children if they want to maintain a relationship with said child.

But I suppose there’s the “other” definition of “ratonail” which is simply being free to say and do whatever pops into one’s mind because of reasons.

 

[DarkLight]

Being that the origin of this particular saying is a mystery, and the fact that it was HRC that made it famous, I myself put absolutely zero stock in it. But that’s just me.

My point is, why are we taking Hillary Clinton as an authority? Where is that saying in the Bible, the Catechism, or the writings of the saints? Those are the sources we should be going to, not some snarky little meme coined by a politician to justify trying to raise our children for us.

I don’t know about this, but “It takes a village to raise a child” was already considered an old saying when I was young, and my parents and their generation indicated to me that it was a reasonably popular saying when they were children.

 

[ConfusedLucy]

Lara lI think you definitely enjoy drama. Remember that not everyone does.