Is it wrong for gay couples to adopt?

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Bottom line, I do not know that the magisterium has classified this as a sin.
 
Rau said:
I suspect that it must be a consternation then that nature does not provide for 2 men to conceive. 🤷

I did not think your expressed view would be otherwise Thor.
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The fact that two men can’t conceive has no bearing on whether they would make good adoptive parents (the subject of this thread).
 
Thorolfr said:
That, in my opinion, is ridiculous. There are many couples who have adopted children and have been great parents and are obviously more suited to be parents than the child’s biological parents. There is nothing magical about the biological link, especially when the biological parent is not a good parent. Sometimes, contact with an unsuitable biological parent is a detriment.
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Is your opinion based on thousands of hours of interaction with and direct observation of children living with a (male) father figure and a (female) maternal figure, versus those children who lack these models?
Mine is. And trust me, the kids, especially the younger ones, love to share information about mommy and daddy, or…? whoever.
Direct observation.
 
Thorolfr said:
The fact that two men can’t conceive has no bearing on whether they would make good adoptive parents (the subject of this thread).
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But we want to deal with reality, correct?
The reality is, parents are by nature and design, male and female.

That’s not to say that same sex couples cannot be more virtuous than heteros, or be better for the welfare of the child than some heteros. Maybe yes, maybe no.

But to say that “conception” has no bearing on the quality “parenthood” is just plainly absurd.

It’s like claiming your stomach has no bearing on your hunger.
Nonsense.
(this is gnostic dualism, the separation of the physical realm from the spiritual, emotional, and intellectual, and all the implications thereof)
 
Faithdancer said:
Is your opinion based on thousands of hours of interaction with and direct observation of children living with a (male) father figure and a (female) maternal figure, versus those children who lack these models?
Mine is. And trust me, the kids, especially the younger ones, love to share information about mommy and daddy, or…? whoever.
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I was responding to your statement that “only a biological parent can fulfill this need.” I’m sure that many children love to share information about their parents without it making any difference whether they are their biological parents. There are many good adoptive parents with well adjusted and happy children.
 
Thorolfr said:
I was responding to your statement that “only a biological parent can fulfill this need.” I’m sure that many children love to share information about their parents without it making any difference whether they are their biological parents. There are many good adoptive parents with well adjusted and happy children.
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This is true. 🤷
 
goout said:
But to say that “conception” has no bearing on the quality “parenthood” is just plainly absurd.
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I just don’t buy that argument. There are many couples who are unable to conceive children of their own but that in itself has no bearing on the quality of their parenthood if they decide to adopt children. They might be better parents than many children have who are raised by bad parents who conceived them.
 
The child should not be raised that with such a situation.

In fact in one state at least they were going to force Catholic Charities to adopt children out to such couples.

Since they could NOT do that …they had to drop all adoption services in that state.
 
Thorolfr said:
I just don’t buy that argument. There are many couples who are unable to conceive children of their own but that in itself has no bearing on the quality of their parenthood if they decide to adopt children. They might be better parents than many children have who are raised by bad parents who conceived them.
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You don’t understand what I said.
I agree the bolded is a possibility.
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Last year I became a godmother to a baby who was born with a serious illness, she fought for 4 four months and died a week after she was baptised. :bighanky: Her parents are in a same-sex union, she was adopted. One of the women was a good friend of mine, she is Catholic.

I was on CAF in a stressed out state asking for advice. My Priest said it was okay for me to be the godmother but my hubby was not happy about it. Eventually, I contacted the baptising Priest after being advised to by Fr Don who is CAF member. The baptising Priest confirmed it was okay for me to be her godmother, he himself had received permission from the Bishop and he was aware of the couples situation but he focussed solely on the soul of the child.

I don’t know if the same would apply to adoption.
 
Bookcat said:
The child should not be raised that with such a situation.

In fact in one state at least they were going to force Catholic Charities to adopt children out to such couples.

Since they could NOT do that …they had to drop all adoption services in that state.
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Catholic Charities should NOT be forced to do this. In my book, religious freedom is paramount. However, not all religions and couples, straight or gay, believe the same thing. And if the couple is loving and committed toward one another and toward the child, the recipe is there for raising a loving child, adolescent, and eventually adult, who is more likely to be tolerant of gay marriage. Is that the fear: acceptance of something that the Church forbids and that is considered an abnormal lifestyle, an abomination? Or is the fear that the child may become gay as a result of his or her family? The psychological evidence says no. Or is this situation not the ideal? Perhaps not, but what straight family couple is the ideal? Surely a gay couple’s adoption of a child is better than the child’s not having any permanent and loving home.
 
meltzerboy said:
Catholic Charities should NOT be forced to do this. In my book, religious freedom is paramount.
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I don’t think that anyone has said that Catholic Charities should be forced to do anything (such as adopt children out to same-sex couples). But if they don’t meet state qualifications for providing adoption services, should they be allowed to do so?
 
Thorolfr said:
I don’t think that anyone has said that Catholic Charities should be forced to do anything (such as adopt children out to same-sex couples). But if they don’t meet state qualifications for providing adoption services, should they be allowed to do so?
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Kind of a circular question.
 
Thorolfr said:
I don’t think that anyone has said that Catholic Charities should be forced to do anything (such as adopt children out to same-sex couples). But if they don’t meet state qualifications for providing adoption services, should they be allowed to do so?
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I was responding to what the previous poster said about Catholic Charities. And yes, I would side with their moral right not to provide adoption services to gay couples. But in most other respects, I agree with you on the issue of gay adoption.
 
meltzerboy said:
I was responding to what the previous poster said about Catholic Charities. And yes, I would side with their moral right not to provide adoption services to gay couples. But in most other respects, I agree with you on the issue of gay adoption.
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What if a religious adoption organization was willing to adopt out children to couples of all religions except to Jewish couples? Would that be OK with you? Would they have a moral right to have such a policy?
 
Food for thought…

“For I was hungry, and you gave me to eat; I was thirsty, and you gave me to drink; I was a stranger, and you took me in: 36Naked, and you covered me: sick, and you visited me: I was in prison, and you came to me. 37Then shall the just answer him, saying: Lord, when did we see thee hungry, and fed thee; thirsty, and gave thee drink? 38And when did we see thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and covered thee? 39Or when did we see thee sick or in prison, and came to thee? 40And the king answering, shall say to them: Amen I say to you, as long as you did it to one of these my least brethren, you did it to me.”

Matthew 35-40

I might argue that a homosexual couple taking in orphans could fall under this. One sin doesn’t negate all of the good qualities a person has. Many heterosexual couples who adopt also fall short on certain aspects of Christianity.
 
SAVINGRACE said:
Last year I became a godmother to a baby who was born with a serious illness, she fought for 4 four months and died a week after she was baptised. :bighanky: Her parents are in a same-sex union, she was adopted. One of the women was a good friend of mine, she is Catholic.

I was on CAF in a stressed out state asking for advice. My Priest said it was okay for me to be the godmother but my hubby was not happy about it. Eventually, I contacted the baptising Priest after being advised to by Fr Don who is CAF member. The baptising Priest confirmed it was okay for me to be her godmother, he himself had received permission from the Bishop and he was aware of the couples situation but he focussed solely on the soul of the child.

I don’t know if the same would apply to adoption.
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That’s the gist of the precept, beyond all-encompassing judgments that do injury to individual cases.

Nice.
 
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