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The_Bucket
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Such a country does not exist and has never existed. Think Europe during the High Middle Ages was a peaceful place? There’s a reason that the Peace and Truce of God movement got started.
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Chantal25
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Research and watch the dvd series of EWTN on the Sacred Heart of Jesus and the 12 promises.
amazon.com/TWELVE-PROMISES-RAYMOND-EWTN-NETWORK/dp/B00B1JMMLE
The Promises of the Sacred Heart of Jesus to St. Margaret Mary
(1) "I will give them all the graces necessary in their state of life.
(2) I will establish peace in their homes.
(3) I will comfort them in all their afflictions.
(4) I will be their secure refuge during life, and above all, in death.
(5) I will bestow abundant blessings upon all their undertakings.
(6) Sinners will find in my Heart the source and infinite ocean of mercy.
(7) Lukewarm souls shall become fervent.
(8) Fervent souls shall quickly mount to high perfection.
(9) I will bless every place in which an image of my Heart is exposed and honored.
(12) I promise you in the excessive mercy of my Heart that my all-powerful love will grant to all those who receive Holy Communion on the First Fridays in nine consecutive months the grace of final perseverance; they shall not die in my disgrace, nor without receiving their sacraments. My divine Heart shall be their safe refuge in this last moment."
Copyright (c) 1996 EWTN
amazon.com/TWELVE-PROMISES-RAYMOND-EWTN-NETWORK/dp/B00B1JMMLE
The Promises of the Sacred Heart of Jesus to St. Margaret Mary
(1) "I will give them all the graces necessary in their state of life.
(2) I will establish peace in their homes.
(3) I will comfort them in all their afflictions.
(4) I will be their secure refuge during life, and above all, in death.
(5) I will bestow abundant blessings upon all their undertakings.
(6) Sinners will find in my Heart the source and infinite ocean of mercy.
(7) Lukewarm souls shall become fervent.
(8) Fervent souls shall quickly mount to high perfection.
(9) I will bless every place in which an image of my Heart is exposed and honored.
- I will give to priests the gift of touching the most hardened hearts.
(12) I promise you in the excessive mercy of my Heart that my all-powerful love will grant to all those who receive Holy Communion on the First Fridays in nine consecutive months the grace of final perseverance; they shall not die in my disgrace, nor without receiving their sacraments. My divine Heart shall be their safe refuge in this last moment."
Copyright (c) 1996 EWTN
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SamH
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I wouldn’t answer either if I was trying to make your claim.
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EasterJoy
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These quotes are so unbelievably callous, I find it all but impossible to believe that either was written by someone who has had thoughts of suicide, let alone anyone who knows, let alone ever even cared about someone who killed themselves with a gun.
People who keep guns, which is a morally-allowed choice that can be defended as a means to protect the innocent, still have the gravely serious responsibility to do what is within their power to keep the gun from being used wrongly, which includes being used in a suicide. They may not take refuge in the silly rationalization that “someone who wants to kill themselves will find a way to do it” out of one side of their mouth while claiming “there is no means of self-protection that can replace a gun” out the other. That is nonsense, and no one with an ounce of logic ought to be expected to buy it.
Either a gun is a weapon uniquely capable of inflicting mortal harm, and should be treated as such, or it is not. Make up your minds.
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EasterJoy
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She implied that she relied on God to protect her, more than the police.
Still, I don’t think it is that hard to imagine that some of us will have swords, which we will feel duty-bound to learn to use properly and to unfailingly use and store properly, and some of us will not, and that both choices can be found on the moral road.
The person without the sword has the duty to act prudently, so the person with a sword will not be put in harm’s way protecting them from the person tempted towards evil and the loss of their soul by the unarmed person’s careless choice to provide a near occasion of sin. If you do not carry a sword, you are still bound to act so as not to tempt those who would attack you. You cannot blithely stroll around where vicious people frequent and coo to yourself that God will protect you…all the while forgetting the danger you might be calling down upon a police officer, not to mention yourself and your might-have-not-been attacker. Being obviously armed is, after all, a way to make that temptation seem far less attractive in a great hurry. If we don’t elect to carry a firearm, we must still do what we can to deter other people from crime, for their own sakes as well as for our own. If we vote to keep any law-abiding person from carrying one, we have to consider those consequences, too. All souls and all lives count to God.
Likewise, the person with the sword will not go looking for situations in which to use it, and will not let the sword become a near occasion of sin for anyone else, either. Think of how the police ideally use their weapons. The hope is that their firearm will be carried for a lifetime and never used to inflict harm on anyone. That takes prudence and vigilance, but it is not an unreasonable hope for someone willing to take that responsibility on.
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maryjk
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Not with a gun, no. But as most people know there are many ways to kill yourself.
Maybe I should tell you about the young boy that hung himself in my backyard. Or maybe not, I wouldn’t want to rock your beliefs.
Very true. But if you have someone in your house that is suicidal, simply keeping guns away is not enough. Because someone that wants to kill themselves will not give up simply because there isn’t a gun handy.
Yes, it should be treated as such. And as such I have a gun in my house. We don’t have young children in the house, nor do we have anyone that is depressed or suicidal in the house. If a certain family member visited, I would lock up the guns or get them out of the house. This family member has attempted suicide before and I would not be surprised if he tried again.
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EasterJoy
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Simply keeping guns away is not enough, but of course keeping guns away is a reasonable first step. No one is saying that suicide is impossible without a gun. It cannot be argued, however, that it isn’t a whole lot easier to accomplish if you have one. According to Harvard School of Public Health Professor David Hemenway: “Studies show that most attempters act on impulse, in moments of panic or despair. Once the acute feelings ease, 90 percent do not go on to die by suicide.” The rates of suicide are the highest in areas where gun ownership is the highest, and suicide attempts that end in death are the highest when the most effective means of suicide are available. Guns top that list, which is why guns are also effective means of self-protection. One goes with the other. Guns pose a means to safety, but guns also pose a danger for the very same reason they are useful for protection. They achieve their end swiftly, in a way that can preclude time for countermeasures.
From hsph.harvard.edu/means-matter/
"Means reduction (reducing a suicidal person’s access to highly lethal means) is an important part of a comprehensive approach to suicide prevention. It is based on the following understandings:
•Many suicide attempts occur with little planning during a short-term crisis.
•Intent isn’t all that determines whether an attempter lives or dies; means also matter.
•90% of attempters who survive do NOT go on to die by suicide later.
•Access to firearms is a risk factor for suicide.
•Firearms used in youth suicide usually belong to a parent.
•Reducing access to lethal means saves lives.
But this is almost a moot point, because by what you just wrote, you aren’t arguing that you shouldn’t keep your guns secured because you still have plastic bags in your kitchen and trees in your back yard. If you did have someone living in your home who was that depressed, I think you would think long and hard about whether the unusually high chance of a suicide in your home wouldn’t outweigh the safety advantage of having a gun as handy as you would otherwise like to have it.
I don’t think we have a quarrel here. That taking the risk of suicide into account has to be part of responsible home programs of gun safety does not mean that guns cannot be kept safely in the home. That might be the conclusion where there is a high risk resident in the home, but suicides are not so out-of-the-blue that no one can ever know when that risk might be real.
The risk of gun ownership is real, but not so great that a prudent person wouldn’t own one. A careless person, however, is far better off doing without, and I think the prudent gun owners are those who agree with that point more strongly than anyone else!!
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Chantal25
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(((((Easter Joy)))))
I fully resonate with your post, thank you for sharing!
I fully resonate with your post, thank you for sharing!
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Chantal25
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I am not sure that i understand this reply neither which claim that you think i am making?
It is quite challenging at time to correspond with written word, it is always best to have a face to face dialogue. But i wish you well and no need to reply.
Blessings
-Chantal
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SamH
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And those that keep plastic bags have the same responsibility.
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SamH
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You avoided dealing with the fact that a person determined to kill themself can do so by many means.
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Chantal25
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Oh no, no, i don’t. I am on the same page as you about this. Yes someone who is determine to end it and made his/her final decision will find a way. But many and many it is just an impulse and if they have to find another way, they will need more planing. While the planning is occurring, they might get help from someone OR a particular event can occurred to help them and have their life can be spare.
A gun or pill, is easy and people can just do that. Nobody should keep dangerous prescription at hand either. As some posted, it is a great responsibility to own a gun to make sure that it is never used the wrong way.
There are many reasons of not owning a gun and seeking for an alternative way for protections, so many reasons but again, i don’t judge a family that make the decision to have a gun. It is a personal choice but which must be weight and think about thoroughly.
Blessings
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SamH
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A plastic bag takes planning?
A 4 year old foster child we had figured it out in a minute - and tried to kill her sister in the process.
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maryjk
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There are times during a discussion when I realize that no matter what anyone says, the other person is never going to understand my point of view. Normally it comes when they make some ridiculous claim. That just happened.
What could you possibly mean? “No one should keep dangerous prescriptions at hand”??? What are people suppose to do? Not take any drug that MIGHT be used the wrong way? Keep them locked up in a safe?
So here is part of the story of the young man that hung himself in my backyard. His father shot himself, you see. So his mother made sure all of the guns where out of the house. But she didn’t get her son help. He had problems. But she figured if there weren’t any guns for him to use to kill himself, he would be fine.
So he took a rope and hung himself in my tree.I guess according to you, Chantal25, I should have made sure there weren’t any dangerous trees in my yard.
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Chantal25
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I don’t argue with the fact that the mother should have got help for her son.
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Chantal25
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Preventing Youth suicide:
nasponline.org/resources/crisis_safety/suicideprevention.aspx
Suicide Risk Factors
Certain characteristics are associated with increased suicide risk. These include:
Suicide Warning Signs
Many suicidal youth demonstrate observable behaviors that signal their suicidal thinking. These include:
What to Do
Youth who feel suicidal are not likely to seek help directly; however, parents, school personnel, and peers can recognize the warning signs and take immediate action to keep the youth safe. When a youth gives signs that they may be considering suicide, the following actions should be taken:
nasponline.org/resources/crisis_safety/suicideprevention.aspx
Suicide Risk Factors
Certain characteristics are associated with increased suicide risk. These include:
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Mental illness including depression, conduct disorders, and substance abuse.
Family stress/dysfunction.
Environmental risks, including presence of a firearm in the home.
Situational crises (i.e., traumatic death of a loved one, physical or sexual abuse, family violence, etc.).Many suicidal youth demonstrate observable behaviors that signal their suicidal thinking. These include:
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Suicidal threats in the form of direct and indirect statements.
Suicide notes and plans.
Prior suicidal behavior.
Making final arrangements (e.g., making funeral arrangements, writing a will, giving away prized possessions).
Preoccupation with death.
Changes in behavior, appearance, thoughts and/or feelings.Youth who feel suicidal are not likely to seek help directly; however, parents, school personnel, and peers can recognize the warning signs and take immediate action to keep the youth safe. When a youth gives signs that they may be considering suicide, the following actions should be taken:
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Remain calm.
Ask the youth directly if he or she is thinking about suicide.
Focus on your concern for their wellbeing and avoid being accusatory.
Listen.
Reassure them that there is help and they will not feel like this forever.
Do not judge.
Provide constant supervision. Do not leave the youth alone.
**Remove means for self-harm.**
Get help: Peers should not agree to keep the suicidal thoughts a secret and instead should tell an adult, such as a parent, teacher, or school psychologist. Parents should seek help from school or community mental health resources as soon as possible. School staff should take the student to the designated school mental health professional or administrator.
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maryjk
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My point was, you claimed that people shouldn’t keep “dangerous prescription at hand.” What could you possibly mean by that? You do know that people can overdose on Tylenol, right? And there are many prescription drugs that are very dangerous if taken in the wrong dose or by the wrong person?
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The_Bucket
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To me it does no good for gun supporters to fail to acknowledge that firearms are dangerous. I mean, they are. That’s the point, isn’t it? Unless it’s merely for target shooting, the point is to have a tool on hand to inflict injury on a threatening person or animal.
Guns are dangerous. In anyone’s hands.
The real question from a public policy standpoint is how far should the state go to protect people from themselves? Personally I think it’s our job to protect ourselves and our loved ones for the most part. And we should also protect our neighbors as well. The more we cede to the state the less responsible we feel for our neighbors. The less responsible we feel for our neighbors, the less comfortable we feel in sharing Christ’s message with them.
Everyone who owns a firearm must ensure that he is responsible for that firearm’s safe keeping and use. I don’t think the government needs to play school mom in advance of something happening. But if people fail to ensure the safe keeping of their weapons, then there should be consequences. Criminal ones? I don’t know. Civil ones for sure.
The only thing I want to caution again is the quasi-worship of guns that is taking place in some circles. It’s pretty disturbing actually. I think high-powered weapons are awesome. Like any guy, I love a good explosion. I’d give plenty for the opportunity to fire off a few mortar rounds at a range. But there are some folks out there who think the world is going to hell and they need to hoard guns in order to prevent the apocalypse. That’s just crazy.
If you live in a dangerous area or have had a break-in, get a good pump-action shotgun. A Remington 870A Express is a great start. Load it with double aught buck or slugs. You’re in good shape. If you want to carry concealed, fine with me. Just take the classes and take them seriously.
That’s all I ask.
People who have a healthy respect for the deadliness of a firearm are generally those least likely to “worship” them.
Guns are dangerous. In anyone’s hands.
The real question from a public policy standpoint is how far should the state go to protect people from themselves? Personally I think it’s our job to protect ourselves and our loved ones for the most part. And we should also protect our neighbors as well. The more we cede to the state the less responsible we feel for our neighbors. The less responsible we feel for our neighbors, the less comfortable we feel in sharing Christ’s message with them.
Everyone who owns a firearm must ensure that he is responsible for that firearm’s safe keeping and use. I don’t think the government needs to play school mom in advance of something happening. But if people fail to ensure the safe keeping of their weapons, then there should be consequences. Criminal ones? I don’t know. Civil ones for sure.
The only thing I want to caution again is the quasi-worship of guns that is taking place in some circles. It’s pretty disturbing actually. I think high-powered weapons are awesome. Like any guy, I love a good explosion. I’d give plenty for the opportunity to fire off a few mortar rounds at a range. But there are some folks out there who think the world is going to hell and they need to hoard guns in order to prevent the apocalypse. That’s just crazy.
If you live in a dangerous area or have had a break-in, get a good pump-action shotgun. A Remington 870A Express is a great start. Load it with double aught buck or slugs. You’re in good shape. If you want to carry concealed, fine with me. Just take the classes and take them seriously.
That’s all I ask.
People who have a healthy respect for the deadliness of a firearm are generally those least likely to “worship” them.
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Chantal25
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If you have young children, any thing that they can swallow thinking is a candy, shouldn’t be at reach. If you have a teenager that is depress, it is highly recommended to remove thing that can inflict harm. Girl tendency is to use pill or raiser blade. Boy are gun or hanging.
I am sure you don’t argue with this.
All the best,
p.s.My original intent of posting in this tread was to offer OP my opinion because he was asking all of us for our opinion. As mentioned, he has already make up his mind. I have no attachment what you think of me, i replied to bring clarity but it seems that some of you use any opportunity to distortion my intention. I don’t play those game. So please, kindly let it go.** If you believe guns are cool and in no time we should worry about this, this is you and i honor your view, please kindly honor mine.**
I am sure you don’t argue with this.
All the best,
p.s.My original intent of posting in this tread was to offer OP my opinion because he was asking all of us for our opinion. As mentioned, he has already make up his mind. I have no attachment what you think of me, i replied to bring clarity but it seems that some of you use any opportunity to distortion my intention. I don’t play those game. So please, kindly let it go.** If you believe guns are cool and in no time we should worry about this, this is you and i honor your view, please kindly honor mine.**
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Bill_Martin
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I agree that’s crazy. They should be hoarding ammo and reloading components instead.To me it does no good for gun supporters to fail to acknowledge that firearms are dangerous. I mean, they are. That’s the point, isn’t it? Unless it’s merely for target shooting, the point is to have a tool on hand to inflict injury on a threatening person or animal.
Guns are dangerous. In anyone’s hands.
The real question from a public policy standpoint is how far should the state go to protect people from themselves? Personally I think it’s our job to protect ourselves and our loved ones for the most part. And we should also protect our neighbors as well. The more we cede to the state the less responsible we feel for our neighbors. The less responsible we feel for our neighbors, the less comfortable we feel in sharing Christ’s message with them.
Everyone who owns a firearm must ensure that he is responsible for that firearm’s safe keeping and use. I don’t think the government needs to play school mom in advance of something happening. But if people fail to ensure the safe keeping of their weapons, then there should be consequences. Criminal ones? I don’t know. Civil ones for sure.
The only thing I want to caution again is the quasi-worship of guns that is taking place in some circles. It’s pretty disturbing actually. I think high-powered weapons are awesome. Like any guy, I love a good explosion. I’d give plenty for the opportunity to fire off a few mortar rounds at a range. But there are some folks out there who think the world is going to hell and they need to hoard guns in order to prevent the apocalypse. That’s just crazy.
If you live in a dangerous area or have had a break-in, get a good pump-action shotgun. A Remington 870A Express is a great start. Load it with double aught buck or slugs. You’re in good shape. If you want to carry concealed, fine with me. Just take the classes and take them seriously.
That’s all I ask.
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