Is it wrong to not oppose secular gay marriage?

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Zoltan_Cobalt said:
The Roman Catholic Church does not consider homosexuals, in general, to be “evil”. The Church considers their actions to be DISORDERED.

I do not need an organized religion to tell me that homosexuality is disordered or unnatural.

Homosexual acts ARE EVIL. While there may be a few homosexuals who are able to fight their temptations or eventually return to a heterosexual lifestyle…the majority freely engage in deviant and dangerous sexual practices.

The Catholic Church has paid a price for covering up this EVIL.
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I cannot understand your point of view, even so, I am interested. Would you mind answering a few questions? (in case you do, here they are):
  1. Do you think homosexuality it’s like a disease that must be cured?
  2. If so, do you think that by prayer homosexual feelings will just go away in time ?
  3. If you think that when 2 gay people are intimate, they are actually hurting other people directly or indirectly, how does that manifest? (this is my understanding of evil, the deliberate act of harm over an innocent, that much simplified).
    I, myself, have nothing against them, but I am curious of your point of view.
 
Zoltan_Cobalt said:
…While there may be a few homosexuals who are able to fight their temptations or eventually return to a heterosexual lifestyle…the majority freely engage in deviant and dangerous sexual practices.
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Very few can “revert” to attraction to the opposite sex. But we have no idea how many struggle and suffer in silence. The catechism says for many “it is a trial”.
 
Hello Crow.
theCrow said:
Actually, HOMOPHOBIA is EVIL. What if your son or daughter comes out as gay. Just because you believe their actions to be “evil and disordered”, you must respect and tolerate that many many MORE people DO NOT. Live and let live. Judge not lest you be judged yourself.

God is Love and 2 gay people who love each other in a committed married relationship are blessed by God just as any other 2 people who love are.
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If what you say about God blessing the homosexual couples the same as He blesses the heterosexual couples, how come you cannot find Sodom on a map? Do a Google search and see how God really feels about all those homosexual couples and while you are at it, recall what happened to Lot’s wife for simply turning back that way as they fled the destruction God’s Mighty hand and outstretched arm brought upon all the regions of Sodom and Gomorrah. They are a complete wasteland even to this day. Now, how blessed by God is that? Be honest. :rolleyes:

Glenda
 
theCrow said:
God is Love and 2 gay people who love each other in a committed married relationship are blessed by God just as any other 2 people who love are.
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You confuse love with sex acts? God did not institute marriage for “2 men” or “2 women”. A man leaves his parents and cleaves to his wife.

Two men loving each other, caring for each other, is good. Two men exchanging semen is not.
 
glendab said:
Hello Crow.

If what you say about God blessing the homosexual couples the same as He blesses the heterosexual couples, how come you cannot find Sodom on a map? Do a Google search and see how God really feels about all those homosexual couples and while you are at it, recall what happened to Lot’s wife for simply turning back that way as they fled the destruction God’s Mighty hand and outstretched arm brought upon all the regions of Sodom and Gomorrah. They are a complete wasteland even to this day. Now, how blessed by God is that? Be honest. :rolleyes:

Glenda
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Whether or not Sodom ever existed is disputed by archaeologists even today. That being said, I feel so sorry for you. To live with all that hatred. I’m sure the Westboro Baptist Church would welcome you with welcome arms though, because everything you say comes out of their playbook.

God loves all of us and blesses all of us, Gay and Straight.
 
“Do what you want! No consequences! We are justified in bad behavior because you shouldn’t judge us for it!”
 
Zoltan_Cobalt said:
Do not insinuate that my children could have possibly “come out as gay”. That is impossible because they were taught right from wrong.
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Whoa! Wait a minute here! Now, I am very much against homosexuality in practice, because it a grave evil and intrinsically disordered mortal sin. However, by this comment, you seem to insinuate that being homosexual is something that “knowing right from wrong” can prevent. Uh, no. Homosexuality is not a choice; it an unfortunate mental disorder by which a particular individual has attraction to the same sex rather than the opposite, natural one.

From the Catechism:

The number of men and women who have deep-seated homosexual tendencies is not negligible. This inclination, which is objectively disordered, constitutes for most of them a trial. They must be accepted with respect, compassion, and sensitivity. Every sign of unjust discrimination in their regard should be avoided. These persons are called to fulfill God’s will in their lives and, if they are Christians, to unite to the sacrifice of the Lord’s Cross the difficulties they may encounter from their condition.

Thus, it is very appalling that you would say such at thing, implying that the sin is in being homosexual when it is only in its practice, which you should know by now.

May God bless you and lead you the Light of His Truth! 🙂
 
Hello Crow.
theCrow said:
Whether or not Sodom ever existed is disputed by archaeologists even today. That being said, I feel so sorry for you. To live with all that hatred. I’m sure the Westboro Baptist Church would welcome you with welcome arms though, because everything you say comes out of their playbook.

God loves all of us and blesses all of us, Gay and Straight.
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I am not projecting hatred onto anyone. You simply need to see that emotion on anyone who doesn’t embrace a LBGT agenda. I don’t hate gays at all. I love like a Christian is supposed to. And guess what that means? Telling them the truth about their destructive sinful behaviors. Sugar coating is not my specialty. One of my very good friends was a bi-sexual man who died of AIDS as I was preparing for Baptism. He helped be become a Catholic. I saw first-hand the devastation his problem created for his whole family, wife, children and siblings as well as the rest of the family. It is a very destructive “lifestyle” choice. And those who love them have to sit back and watch and pray and wait. My friend was reconciled to God and His Church through a program called Courage. It was inspiring to see him struggle all that time. He accepted his death as a chastisement from God and you will probably despise those words, but they were his. I listened as he explained the Catholic notion of “offering up” one’s sufferings as a expiation for one’s sins and then he joked about some of us having much more to offer up. He gave me my very first copy of a Morning Offering Prayer and it was one he used to offer up his HIV problems everyday. I miss him very much. He died four months before my Baptism and he was there with me in spirit on that night. So there ya have it. Be careful who you judge as being hateful of homosexuals. You just never know.

Glenda
 
glendab said:
Hello Crow.

I am not projecting hatred onto anyone. You simply need to see that emotion on anyone who doesn’t embrace a LBGT agenda. I don’t hate gays at all. I love like a Christian is supposed to. And guess what that means? Telling them the truth about their destructive sinful behaviors. Sugar coating is not my specialty. One of my very good friends was a bi-sexual man who died of AIDS as I was preparing for Baptism. He helped be become a Catholic. I saw first-hand the devastation his problem created for his whole family, wife, children and siblings as well as the rest of the family. It is a very destructive “lifestyle” choice. And those who love them have to sit back and watch and pray and wait. My friend was reconciled to God and His Church through a program called Courage. It was inspiring to see him struggle all that time. He accepted his death as a chastisement from God and you will probably despise those words, but they were his. I listened as he explained the Catholic notion of “offering up” one’s sufferings as a expiation for one’s sins and then he joked about some of us having much more to offer up. He gave me my very first copy of a Morning Offering Prayer and it was one he used to offer up his HIV problems everyday. I miss him very much. He died four months before my Baptism and he was there with me in spirit on that night. So there ya have it. Be careful who you judge as being hateful of homosexuals. You just never know.

Glenda
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👍 May God bless you forever! 🙂
 
LaLaLa49 said:
I cannot understand your point of view, even so, I am interested. Would you mind answering a few questions? (in case you do, here they are):
  1. Do you think homosexuality it’s like a disease that must be cured?
  2. If so, do you think that by prayer homosexual feelings will just go away in time ?
  3. If you think that when 2 gay people are intimate, they are actually hurting other people directly or indirectly, how does that manifest? (this is my understanding of evil, the deliberate act of harm over an innocent, that much simplified).
    I, myself, have nothing against them, but I am curious of your point of view.
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  1. Yes
  2. Yes
  3. Yes. Increase spread of disease
 
Rau said:
Very few can “revert” to attraction to the opposite sex. But we have no idea how many struggle and suffer in silence. The catechism says for many “it is a trial”.
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Careful, Rau. If a detailed, factual study were made of all the homosexuals who returned to normal I bet there would be a lot more than gay sympathizers would care to admit.
 
Richard_White said:
Whoa! Wait a minute here! Now, I am very much against homosexuality in practice, because it a grave evil and intrinsically disordered mortal sin. However, by this comment, you seem to insinuate that being homosexual is something that “knowing right from wrong” can prevent. Uh, no. Homosexuality is not a choice; it an unfortunate mental disorder by which a particular individual has attraction to the same sex rather than the opposite, natural one.
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Uh, sounds like you are saying that homosexuality is innate. Since there exists no truly objective means of determining whether a person is innately homosexual, how can you say that?

I could be wrong but since someone cannot take a blood test or DNA test to prove that he or she is “gay.” We must depend entirely upon a person’s claim that they are homosexual.
 
Zoltan_Cobalt said:
Careful, Rau. If a detailed, factual study were made of all the homosexuals who returned to normal I bet there would be a lot more than gay sympathizers would care to admit.
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Careful Zoltan, you speculate.

There is no credible evidence that significant numbers of those with a genuine deep seated attraction to the same sex (and no attraction to opposite sex) spontaneously revert, revert upon praying, or revert upon receiving psychological “treatment”. These things may happen but are very infrequent. I am certain that if one day there is credible evidence, we will certainly hear about it!!

Be careful not to confuse a couple of teenagers discovering masturbation together as “homosexuals”. That would certainly give the “numbers” in your hypothetical study a boost!
 
Zoltan_Cobalt said:
Uh, sounds like you are saying that homosexuality is innate. Since there exists no truly objective means of determining whether a person is innately homosexual, how can you say that?

I could be wrong but since someone cannot take a blood test or DNA test to prove that he or she is “gay.” We must depend entirely upon a person’s claim that they are homosexual.
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Do you believe that there is not a single person on earth who experiences sexual attractions to the same sex, yet none to the opposite sex?
 
Rau said:
Do you believe that there is not a single person on earth who experiences sexual attractions to the same sex, yet none to the opposite sex?
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No, I am sure there are…But the vast majority dismiss such attractions as abnormal or, in the case of Catholics, as potential sinful attractions and never act on them and lead a normal life.

Of course if a young person has such an attraction (first time) and is confused. I would hope they do not seek council from a homosexual who would tell them that such attraction is normal. .
 
Rau said:
Careful Zoltan, you speculate.

There is no credible evidence…
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Right you are, Rau. So let’s agree to leave out the “very few” and the “vast majority” type of descriptives until we find some credible evidence.
Rau said:
Be careful not to confuse a couple of teenagers discovering masturbation together as “homosexuals”. That would certainly give the “numbers” in your hypothetical study a boost!
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If they were same-sex teenagers would they not self identify as homosexuals??
 
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