Is Jerusalem an icon for anti-religion?

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jfz178 said:
No, they are my own opinion. I don’t even know what AIPAC is. My opinions are based on having visited the country, outside reading and having been involved with military intelligence.
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AIPAC and their allies also have an enormous influence on the US media, which usually only tells one side of the story. If you watch or listen to the news, you have been given only part of the picture.

Here is a person we can listen to with a military intelligence background, who is part of the solution rather than the problem:

jfz178 said:
But facts are facts.
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And it is a “fact” that Muslims want to kill us whether or not they have a homeland? Do you have real evidence of this “want”? Have you ever talked to a person who has had their home stolen and demolished?
jfz178 said:
I want a peaceful settlement in that area also. But I won’t tolerate anti-Semitism.
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I am definitely with you on that statement!
 
Do you respect that people are born into certain religions and they learn about Love through relationships?

The don’t have to be equal to treat everyone with mutual respect. When evangelization does not begin with loving and respecting people where they are, it is completely counterproductive.

Are you thinking that God condemns people of other religions?
 
Mary888 said:
On Temple Mount the Muslims do throw real stones at Jews praying.
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I tried to google this, but had no success. I do not doubt that it has happened, though, they have done far worse to Israelis. They want justice, and are going about it wrongly.
Mary888 said:
Since we are not a part of that conflict there, how can be presume to understand the actual conflict?
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Actually, though, this is a really great statement, Mary, which can apply to people of all religions. Nobody fully understands what is going on, because everyone pretty much only knows their own side.

Your questions, I think, stand as the most profound thing I have read here. We all need to work to understand one another, and begin with “how can we presume?”. It is a voice of humility, a wise humility.

Thank you! 🙂
 
Have you read these from the CCC?:

841 The Church’s relationship with the Muslims. “The plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place amongst whom are the Muslims; these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind’s judge on the last day.”

843 The Catholic Church recognizes in other religions that search, among shadows and images, for the God who is unknown yet near since he gives life and breath and all things and wants all men to be saved. Thus, the Church considers all goodness and truth found in these religions as “a preparation for the Gospel and given by him who enlightens all men that they may at length have life.”
 
There are Saints who know that someone hasn’t chosen heaven?

Does God go after the lost sheep?

God is angry?

Have you heard “His justice is mercy?”. If justice does not have the aim of mercy, what is the purpose of justice?
 
God cannot go after these lost sheep?

Does God hold a grudge against people, or does He forgive people?

What is the purpose of justice?

General audience: God’s justice is mercy


New International Version John 3:17
For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him.

Does God condemn, even though Jesus does not?

Through His mercy and understanding. “Forgive them, for they know not what they do.”

You too friend! I hope we can get the theology worked out tomorrow. We seem to see things mostly alike, I am asking for clarification on the possible variances. There is plenty of room in the Church for variances. 🙂

Why this is important to the topic is that people disagree about who God is and who He favors, etc., and discussion like this is all part of creating a new Jerusalem. (note: I’m only slightly borrowing that term from Revelations, and I apologize.)
 
No, no.

The point wasn’t communism. It was state atheism. That require a police state and those are consistently murderous.

Thats all.
 
What do people think of a council of religious leaders to broker a political deal in Jerusalem?
 
Mary888 said:
On Temple Mount the Muslims do throw real stones at Jews praying.
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I’ve seen Muslims throwing stones too, but not at Jews praying. Rather, I’ve seen them throwing stones at the Israeli police who were attempting to enter Masjid al Aqsa.
 
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Muhammad was a vile and sick human being. His ‘religion’ is nothing more that a ideological and political tool with elements stolen from the Jewish faith.

Division between Muslims and Jews has nothing to do With jesus. When he walked the earth their disgusting creed didn’t even exist.

So perhaps stop peddling support for a movement no better than fascism.

Jerusalem is the Jewish capital and nothing else. Muslims don’t belong there in any shape or form. Anyone following what Muhammad taught (pretty black and white in the Quran) has no place in civilised society, period.
 
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ErraticFaith said:
When he walked the earth their disgusting creed didn’t even exist.
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I’m pretty sure, no wait, I’m certain your Christianity didn’t exist then either. Especially 19/20th century, ‘great awakening’, Zionist Christianity.
ErraticFaith said:
So perhaps stop peddling support for a movement no better than fascism.
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That’s correct; stop peddling support for Zionism.
 
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OneSheep, have you lived in Jerusalem?

Where is your understanding of Jerusalem coning from?

How does the state of Jerusalem today point to the failure of the religion of Christianity?
 
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OneSheep said:
What do people think of a council of religious leaders to broker a political deal in Jerusalem?
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I think that would be a good start toward peace in the Holy Land. Politics and military strength clearly have failed.
 
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Here’s a start:

www.hrw.org

Jerusalem Home Demolitions Harm Children

Ashraf and Islam Fawaqa were at a hospital checkup for their month-old daughter, Aya, on May 4, when Ashraf got a phone call that Israeli forces were demolishing their home.
www.hrw.org www.hrw.org

When injustice is ongoing, we all fail when we are not part of the solution.
 
Military strength has kept the Jews in Israel alive.

Here’s from the Hamas charter. How does one make peace with that? Himmler couldn’t have said it better. Of course, the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem during WWII colluded with the Nazis and even aided the formation of Muslim SS units. Islamist hatred of Jews didn’t start with the establishment of Israel.

"Palestine, with its historical known borders from Jordan’s river in the east to the mediterranean sea in the west, from Ras Al Nakora in the north to Om Al Rashrash in the south, this land is Palestinian and a united regional unit. Displacing Palestinians and creating a Zionist entity does not cancel the right of Palestinians to their entire land, and does not validate the Zionist entity to violate this land.
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"The Day of Judgment will not come until Muslims fight the Jews, when the Jew will hide behind stones and trees. The stones and trees will say, ‘O Muslim, O servant of God, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him.’

“With their money, they (Jews) took control of the world media, news agencies, the press, publishing houses, broadcasting stations, and others. With their money they stirred revolutions in various parts of the world with the purpose of achieving their interests and reaping the fruit therein. They were behind the French Revolution, the Communist revolution and most of the revolutions we heard and hear about, here and there. With their money, they formed secret societies, such as Freemason, Rotary Clubs, the Lions and others in different parts of the world for the purpose of sabotaging societies and achieving Zionist interests. With their money they were able to control imperialistic countries and instigate them to colonize many countries in order to enable them to exploit their resources and spread corruption there.”
 
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OneSheep said:
What do you think of the religious council idea?
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A pretty notion that will accomplish nothing, but will make some feel good for awhile.

You do know, do you not, that Hamas totally controls Gaza and would control the West Bank too if a (third) Palestinian state is established there?
 
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