Is Jesus a feminist?

[Curious11]

Then how unusual that I hadn’t noticed that before

 

[TheAmazingGrace]

Raising children

Some men do better at that than their wives. I have a brother who loves kids and is very nurturing: much more so than me.

 

[Vonsalza]

whyeyeman:

Raising children

Some men do better at that than their wives. I have a brother who loves kids and is very nurturing: much more so than me.

Sure. But I generally don’t let the one blast the other 99. There are always exceptions to something like human behavioral norms. But the norms be the norms for good reason, generally.

Culture, as it is.

 

[TheAmazingGrace]

Why do you think it is so, then? If men are not naturally more violent?

Statistics would seem to support that notion. To what extent is “masculine” violence nature or nurture though? Girls can be exceptionally cruel, but are almost universally discouraged from expressing aggression physically, which might have helped create this deceptive notion that women are inherently less violent.

 

[Curious11]

2pac was raised by a woman. He didn’t seem very effeminate to me

 

[Fauken]

Why should she not? The submission a woman shows her spouse does not mean that the husband gets to order her about like a servant. Like @Vonsalza said, he has a leadership role. As Christ is the head of the Church, the man is the head of his family. There can be times of great emergency or importance where his leadership is needed, since men are protectors.

In exchange for the submission of his wife, he must die to himself for her, as Christ died for the Church. Whether it’s to provide for or take a bullet for her, the husband does so for her.

 

[whyeyeman]

It’s called testosterone.

 

[TheAmazingGrace]

Sure. But I generally don’t let the one blast the other 99. There are always exceptions to something like human behavioral norms. But the norms be the norms for good reason, generally.

Culture, as it is.

Nature or nurture though? How many men would like to play a more intimate role in their children’s lives, but are compelled by social norms to do otherwise?

 

[Curious11]

I can do all those things without needing to have the last word on everything my future wife and I talk about. I don’t feel comfortable with that kind of authority

 

[whyeyeman]

He also grew up surrounded by Harlem gang culture.

 

[Fauken]

I never said you get the last word on everything you talk about.

 

[Vonsalza]

Vonsalza:

Sure. But I generally don’t let the one blast the other 99. There are always exceptions to something like human behavioral norms. But the norms be the norms for good reason, generally.

Culture, as it is.

Nature or nurture though?

Ultimately unanswerable with any real certainty, it seems. “Both” is my default.

How many men would like to play a more intimate role in their children’s lives, but are compelled by social norms to do otherwise?

I wouldn’t view traditional male roles and intimacy as mutually exclusive.

Now am I intimate with my kids in a different way than their mother? Yeah. But they have a connection to her I don’t have. Her heart was the soundtrack of their first 9 months of existence. I’ll never match it.

 

[Tis_Bearself]

Females in line units also have that tendency to end up banging half the unit and causing all kinds of issues.

It takes two to tango. Every guy who agreed to participate in having sex with this woman is also to blame.

 

[TheAmazingGrace]

It’s called testosterone.

Testosterone makes you violent? Okay.

I’m straight as a toothpick, but you’re making lesbianism sound very appealing right now

 

[Cruciferi]

Yeah. I don’t believe the notion of men being raised by their mothers or woman being raised by their fathers is why we have feminine men or masculine women. That’s really painting with a broad brush.

 

[Vonsalza]

JanSobieskiIII:

Females in line units also have that tendency to end up banging half the unit and causing all kinds of issues.

It takes two to tango. Every guy who agreed to participate in having sex with this woman is also to blame.

You’re right. But what’s easier? Moving her or moving the 6 of them?

If I was in a command position, easy choice.

 

[Tis_Bearself]

Female leaders are not exactly new news…
Queen Elizabeth I
Queen Victoria
Indira Gandhi
Golda Meir
Margaret Thatcher
Boudicca
Cleopatra
Empress Maria Theresa

et cetera

 

[TheAmazingGrace]

Now am I intimate with my kids in a different way than their mother? Yeah. But they have a connection to her I don’t have. Her heart was the soundtrack of their first 9 months of existence. I’ll never match it.

Carrying someone in your body is not a guarantee of emotional intimacy, though. Fathers shouldn’t sell themselves short where that “softer” love is concerned.

 

[Vonsalza]

Vonsalza:

Now am I intimate with my kids in a different way than their mother? Yeah. But they have a connection to her I don’t have. Her heart was the soundtrack of their first 9 months of existence. I’ll never match it.

Carrying someone in your body is not a guarantee of emotional intimacy, though. Fathers shouldn’t sell themselves short where that “softer” love is concerned.

Fair enough. But the familiarity that this intimacy springs from began with their mother en utero. It didn’t begin with me until birth. It’s a “knowing” that’s more than social.

 

[Tis_Bearself]

The correct and fair thing to do would be to discipline everybody involved.
I realize that for logistical reasons, that likely wouldn’t happen, whether the “perp” was considered to be “the only woman”, “the only gay guy”, etc.

We really have to get away from the thinking that when a man sees some object of temptation, he’s unable to control himself.