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I can only assume you are at least 1800 plus years old and assume the following as well a) You know who all the or most of the Christians are over that period and b) you have spoken to each of them personally to examine their beliefs - You have a straw-man argument. At least I have a biblical basis on Jesus very words and in a context He used regularly; meaning using an idiom known and used by Jewish teaching authorities at the time. You bring up the “Bread of Life” sermon, which I thank you for that further strengthens my point with Jesus very words using figurative language to make a spiritual point.
Based on your erroneous logical thinking, then I wonder what you do with the following in John 10.
1 "Truly, truly, I say to you, he who does not enter by the door into the fold of the sheep, but climbs up some other way, he is a thief and a robber. 2 "But he who enters by the door is a shepherd of the sheep. 3 "To him the doorkeeper opens, and the sheep hear his voice, and he calls his own sheep by name and leads them out. 4 "When he puts forth all his own, he goes ahead of them, and the sheep follow him because they know his voice. 5 “A stranger they simply will not follow, but will flee from him, because they do not know the voice of strangers.” 6 This figure of speech Jesus spoke to them, ***but they did not understand what those things were which He had been saying to them.
*** This last verse fits well with your own lack of comprehension of Jesus words at least on this particular point; can’t say anything about the rest of your understanding or lack of understanding…
Are Christians Sheep or men? Do they follow the human Jesus or the spiritual God-man Jesus? Did they eat His literal flesh or is He saying the equivalent to “deny yourself, pick up your cross and follow me”.
But we do see Him who was made for a little while lower than the angels, {namely,} Jesus, because of the suffering of death crowned with glory and honor, so that **by the grace of God He might taste death for everyone. ** This is another common idiom used; did He literally taste with His tongue death and what if it said He was made to eat death; then we would have a different problem.
**“Truly I say to you, there are some of those who are standing here who will not taste death until they see the Son of Man coming in His kingdom.” **
Another the example and the list can go on and on; it helps in the interpretation of Scripture to compare Scripture with Scripture in order to derive the meaning of what God has said. Often you must be able to know the culture and its practices, the audience to whom one is addressing etc.
Whether a or b the people that believed the literal eating of flesh, which I do not believe this is what they believe, rather that He was God as John’s Gospel continually points out from the very first chapter and verse, turned away from “unbelief”. Unbelief in what? Jesus as Savior.
Not a word in Scripture concerning transubstantiation of bread or wine or any other object; therefore it comes from man and not God so yeah it is a mystery for some, but not from the heavens above in my opinion and experiences.
Hello, Jesus is God and God is omnipresent, but your statement should show you the flaw in your thinking between carnal reality and spiritual reality. Jesus as a man was the exact image of God, but God is spirit who took human form, but because His human body ascended doesn’t take away the fact He is God and as God He is omnipresent; just as the only way one is ever a Christian is by the indwelling of God, which is the entire Trinity You seem to have a problem separating the carnal things from the spiritual things, but you are not alone in this it takes a new birth before anything can be understood in its context, then it takes lots of diligent work in the Word and obedience to His Lordship, then watch out for blessing upon blessing and in the end eternal life and it is not dependent on a religion or a church, but a Person.
For as often as you eat this bread and drink the cup, you proclaim the Lord’s death until He comes.
God is more than just a spiritual factor. When Jesus came to earth, he became a physical factor for us too. The Eucharist as instituted by Catholics is that physical factor, the promise that he’s always with us and will come back to Earth once again for all time! Glad to see you admit it was instituted by the Catholic Church-thumbs up!
