Is Jesus Christ and the Roman Catholic Church the only way to salvation?

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Jesus Christ is the only way to salvation. The Roman Catholic Church is not the way to salvation.
Jesus Christ has a body. The body of Christ is the Church - the Catholic Church. Jesus Christ is the head of the Church. You cannot separate the head from the body. Therefore, whether you know it or accept it, there is no salvation outside the Church. Just because you don’t know it or accept it, does not make it untrue.
 
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Originally Posted by justasking4
Do babies repent and believe in Christ before they are baptized?
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They are not capable of this but then again this is not required of them either.
You make my point. Where we see the fomula laid out for us in Scripture where baptism is mentioned we see repentance and belief come before being baptized.
Can a severely mentally disabled person repent and believe in Christ before they are baptized?
If they have no understanding then they should not be baptized. Pouring water over someone’ head does not save them if they don’t believe. In this case here where they are incapable of repenting and believing then to baptize would not so anything for them. Such matters are in God’s hands.
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Is there one case in the NT for this?
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Absolutely. In fact, there are more than one. Acts 16:14-15,
Huh? Lydia heard the gospel from them and then was baptized. If you think her household means this is a reference to infants being baptized you would be going beyond what is written here. There is no mention of infants in verse 15 being baptized.
Acts 16:29-34
Same thing here. There is no mention of infants being baptized. Verse 32 tells us that Paul spoke the word of the Lord to them and then they were baptized. Infants are incapable of understanding the word of the Lord.
and 1 Corinthians 1:16
This is a reference to Paul’ baptizing a household and no refence to infants.

What do you think baptism signifiies? When a person is about to be baptized what is she telling the church?
 
Jesus Christ has a body. The body of Christ is the Church - the Catholic Church. Jesus Christ is the head of the Church. You cannot separate the head from the body. Therefore, whether you know it or accept it, there is no salvation outside the Church. Just because you don’t know it or accept it, does not make it untrue.
It appears your catechism says something different. What do you think this means?
818 “However, one cannot charge with the sin of the separation those who at present are born into these communities [that resulted from such separation] and in them are brought up in the faith of Christ, and the Catholic Church accepts them with respect and affection as brothers . . . . **All who have been justified by faith in Baptism are incorporated into Christ; they therefore have a right to be called Christians, **and with good reason are accepted as brothers in the Lord by the children of the Catholic Church.”

819 “Furthermore, many elements of sanctification and of truth” are found outside the visible confines of the Catholic Church: “the written Word of God; the life of grace; faith, hope, and charity, with the other interior gifts of the Holy Spirit, as well as visible elements.” Christ’s Spirit uses these Churches and ecclesial communities as means of salvation, whose power derives from the fullness of grace and truth that Christ has entrusted to the Catholic Church. All these blessings come from Christ and lead to him,and are in themselves calls to “Catholic unity.”

This is a reference to those outside the catholic church.
 
It appears your catechism says something different. What do you think this means?
818 “However, one cannot charge with the sin of the separation those who at present are born into these communities [that resulted from such separation] and in them are brought up in the faith of Christ, and the Catholic Church accepts them with respect and affection as brothers . . . . **All who have been justified by faith in Baptism are incorporated into Christ; they therefore have a right to be called Christians, **and with good reason are accepted as brothers in the Lord by the children of the Catholic Church.”

819 “Furthermore, many elements of sanctification and of truth” are found outside the visible confines of the Catholic Church: “the written Word of God; the life of grace; faith, hope, and charity, with the other interior gifts of the Holy Spirit, as well as visible elements.” Christ’s Spirit uses these Churches and ecclesial communities as means of salvation, whose power derives from the fullness of grace and truth that Christ has entrusted to the Catholic Church. All these blessings come from Christ and lead to him,and are in themselves calls to “Catholic unity.”

This is a reference to those outside the catholic church.
You bolded the wrong part… keep reading… “whose power derives from the fullness of grace and truth that Christ has entrusted to the Catholic Church”

There’s no opposition here.
 
You bolded the wrong part… keep reading… “whose power derives from the fullness of grace and truth that Christ has entrusted to the Catholic Church”

There’s no opposition here.
Are these protestant churches who do not accept the authority of a pope still saved without the catholic church?
 
Are these protestant churches who do not accept the authority of a pope still saved without the catholic church?
Protestant churches are still part of the catholic church.

Do all Catholic’s accept the authority of the pope?
 
Protestant churches are still part of the catholic church.

Do all Catholic’s accept the authority of the pope?
There is a great thread on this entitled “Rebellious subjects of the Roman Pontiff”. I recommend it.

Authorties retain their authority, no matter who is in rebellion against it. But woe to that man who is! :eek:

Rom 13:2
2 Therefore he who resists the authorities resists what God has appointed, and those who resist will incur judgment.
 
There is a great thread on this entitled “Rebellious subjects of the Roman Pontiff”. I recommend it.

Authorties retain their authority, no matter who is in rebellion against it. But woe to that man who is! :eek:

Rom 13:2
2 Therefore he who resists the authorities resists what God has appointed, and those who resist will incur judgment.
Thank-you!
 
You make my point.
Not really.
Where we see the fomula laid out for us in Scripture where baptism is mentioned we see repentance and belief come before being baptized.
According to your fallible interpretation, which I might add, you acknowledged about two months ago or so that you could be wrong on 100% of your interpretation of Scripture.

This will be helpful.
If they have no understanding then they should not be baptized. Pouring water over someone’ head does not save them if they don’t believe. In this case here where they are incapable of repenting and believing then to baptize would not so anything for them.
This is according to your interpretation, correct?
Huh? Lydia heard the gospel from them and then was baptized. If you think her household means this is a reference to infants being baptized you would be going beyond what is written here. There is no mention of infants in verse 15 being baptized.
Does it say *not *to baptize infants?
Same thing here. There is no mention of infants being baptized. Verse 32 tells us that Paul spoke the word of the Lord to them and then they were baptized. Infants are incapable of understanding the word of the Lord.
You go by something being omitted for your false understanding of baptism. Let me ask you, do you believe in contraception? Show me one instance in Scripture where Christians use contraception. On one hand you think something that is not in Scripture means that it shouldn’t be done and on the other hand you think it is okay to practice contraception even though there is no mention of it being used in Scripture. Hypocritical? And please don’t say this is comparing apples and oranges. The Church has spoken on both of these matters, which pertain to faith and morals.

The Church’s teaching flows from original sin and the sacrament itself. When something new like baptism comes along, it will be the adults first that partake. Just like circumcision in the Old Testament. There is no distinction between adults and babies in the “households” in the relevant verses. What age was one eligable to enter the old covenant with God? Eight days old.
This is a reference to Paul’ baptizing a household and no refence to infants.
There is no distinction between adults and babies either.
What do you think baptism signifiies? When a person is about to be baptized what is she telling the church?
It is through the sacrament of Baptism that we become Christians, “For by one Spirit we were all baptized into one body” (1 Corinthians 12:13). Baptism also takes away sin: “Rise and be baptized, and wash away your sins” (Acts 22:16). Baptism and Confirmation are the sacramental elements of being born again, and the normal means by which we receive the Holy Spirit. Jesus tells us in John 3:5, “Unless one is born of water and spirit, he cannot enter the Kingdom of God.” And in Acts 2:38-39, Peter says, “Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. For the promise is to you and to your children and to all that are far off, everyone whom the Lord our God calls to Him.”
 
Thank you… forgive me if my contributions were out-of-order or interupting. :o
Not at all - on the contrary, your contributions are very valuable in this sort of thread - with your presence, there is no one who can claim that it is “absolutely clear” in the New Testament that Sunday worship displaces Saturday worship.

While those of us who already believe in it, because of the Oral Tradition, can certainly find supporting evidence for it in the New Testament, it is by no means “absolutely clear,” as you have shown simply by your presence here - it is an Oral Tradition from the Apostles that we are required to worship on Sundays; not a Scriptural mandate, as many Protestants like to think. 👍
 
Is Jesus Christ and the Roman Catholic Church the only way to salvation?
acts 4:12- salvation is found in no one else, there is no other name under heaven given to men by which we must be saved. i fail to see any church mention here, only jesus christ.

Your thoughs?
 
I’m sorry, what are you saying Acts 4:12 is saying?

How does that challenge the OP’s question?
 
Jesus Christ is the only way to salvation. The Roman Catholic Church is not the way to salvation.
One saint said once something that i had come to believe through experience… that the Catholic Church IS Christ…

It is true… whether you believe it or not.

Mormonism is wrong on many things… Polygamy being one…
 
One saint said once something that i had come to believe through experience… that the Catholic Church IS Christ…

It is true… whether you believe it or not.

Mormonism is wrong on many things… Polygamy being one…
That is was founded by Joseph Smith in New York in 1830 is another…
 
Amen… not the Pope, not Peter, not Joseph Smith…
the Catholic Church doesn’t teach that we need the Pope (per se) to be saved… but we do need the Church (obviously the Pope is part of that Church)
If this wasn’t the case, that Christ had intended the Church be importnat in our lives, Jesus would not have established it. Jesus said that the Church is what will prevail against the gates of Hell… He never daid that anything or anyone else would… (st. Matthew 16:18)…

1 Tim 3:15 says that the Church is the pillar & foundation of truth).

Also, John 3:3 says that unless you are born again through WATER & the Holy Spirit you cannot enter Heaven. This is baptism.

Even so, people can be saved in other ways under certain circumstances understood only by God… It is just that water baptism is the way Jesus wanted things done… there is so much power in it…
 
  1. RCC, Jesus is God
  2. Protestant, Jesus is God
  3. Other (like me), Jesus is Messiah and rules as God, but not born God.
  4. Jesus is not Messiah or God.
Couple of questions for opinion:

a. At what point is a person in danger of Hell?

b. If #4 was like a saint in all other ways – charity, never sinning, etc. – and #1 sinned all the time, adultery, stingy, etc. – who has a better chance of Heaven?
There is only One Jesus It is through him that we gain Salvation With or without The Roman Catholic Church. All Christian Who believe have a chance for eternal life. For Roman catholics to assume that they are the only ones that deserve salvation is wrong. For Catholics answers to even suggest such a thing is the perfect example of true a Hertic. I am tired of the attitude of EWTN and also this web page. All Christian have the chance for Salvation they must live as Jesus did. THe ONE TRUE CHURCH IS THE RELIGON OF CHRISTIANANITY and not the denomination of the Roman Catholic Church.
 
I’m sorry, what are you saying Acts 4:12 is saying?

How does that challenge the OP’s question?
why would i say what it says, it speaks for itself.my only question to you is where does the catholic church save anybody? and before you answer. what role does it play in saving anyone? now i need to tell you what you say will be brought before my friends at work okay? i want them to discuss your answer as well…
 
why would i say what it says, it speaks for itself.my only question to you is where does the catholic church save anybody? and before you answer. what role does it play in saving anyone? now i need to tell you what you say will be brought before my friends at work okay? i want them to discuss your answer as well…
From a Catholic’s perspective… Jesus Christ is the Trinity, is the Word, is the Catholic Church. No part of this can be separated.

From the Catechism of the Catholic Church:
**830 **The word “catholic” means “universal,” in the sense of “according to the totality” or “in keeping with the whole.” The Church is catholic in a double sense: First, the Church is catholic because Christ is present in her. “Where there is Christ Jesus, there is the Catholic Church.” In her subsists the fullness of Christ’s body united with its head; this implies that she receives from him “the fullness of the means of salvation” which he has willed: correct and complete confession of faith, full sacramental life, and ordained ministry in apostolic succession. The Church was, in this fundamental sense, catholic on the day of Pentecost and will always be so until the day of the Parousia.
 
There is only One Jesus It is through him that we gain Salvation With or without The Roman Catholic Church.
You are separating the head from the body. This cannot be done.
All Christian Who believe have a chance for eternal life.
Yep.
For Roman catholics to assume that they are the only ones that deserve salvation is wrong.
Yes it would be wrong. Good thing the Church doesn’t teach this.
For Catholics answers to even suggest such a thing is the perfect example of true a Hertic
Catholic Answers does not suggest such a thing.
I am tired of the attitude of EWTN and also this web page.
Why torcher yourself then?
All Christian have the chance for Salvation they must live as Jesus did.
This is true.
THe ONE TRUE CHURCH IS THE RELIGON OF CHRISTIANANITY and not the denomination of the Roman Catholic Church.
This, however is false. The one true Church is the one founded by Jesus Christ. This is helpful. BTW, Catholicism is not a denomination.
 
You are separating the head from the body. This cannot be done.

Yep.

Yes it would be wrong. Good thing the Church doesn’t teach this.

Catholic Answers does not suggest such a thing.

Why torcher yourself then? I often ask that very same question but no more

This is true.

This, however is false. The one true Church is the one founded by Jesus Christ. This is helpful. BTW, Catholicism is not a denomination.
 
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