Is Jesus Christ and the Roman Catholic Church the only way to salvation?

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Who is deciding someone isn’t Catholic, you? It isn’t your call.
Hello mikew262, thank you for your post.

I don’t decide. I can usually tell by their profile “religion”, their linked - Home page and/or how and what they post… any other things… I was born at night…but it wasn’t last night. 😃

There are some here who do pretend to be “Catholic” and are not, and they will for instants, post using “Protestant” talking points. :doh2:

There are also Catholics here who are confused about or don’t know their own Catholic Faith very well and they “sort-of” post like a “Protestant” at times.

This is not an exact science but I think I am pretty good at identifying the “under-cover” Protestants here. :rolleyes:

In all seriousness now, I think that the whole “false identity” thing …is something that is popular on the internet, especially with the younger crowd.

I think this is a growing ethical problem that we need to eventually deal with, which if it goes totally unchecked, will create other problems in our societies and cultures.

I admire honesty and I believe that if you will lie about one thing…that you will lie about other things. There are many people who lie on the internet.

Are you implying that this doesn’t ever occur here?

Peace 🙂
 
One saint said once something that i had come to believe through experience… that the Catholic Church IS Christ…

It is true… whether you believe it or not.

Mormonism is wrong on many things… Polygamy being one…
Polygamy has ceased to be a Mormon belief
 
One saint said once something that i had come to believe through experience… that the Catholic Church IS Christ…

It is true… whether you believe it or not.
Matthew 24:22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect’s sake those days shall be shortened.

Mark 13:21 And then if any man shall say to you, Lo, here is Christ; or, lo, he is there; believe him not:
 
Mark 13:21 And then if any man shall say to you, Lo, here is Christ; or, lo, he is there; believe him not:
This is in reference to the second coming of the Messiah. Not Christ being present in his Church. But, if you would like to think of it that way (without context of course) you believe Christ is not present in your Church?
 
No, she is saying Jesus is the key, not the Catholic Church.
*So are you saying…those in the Catholic Church are doomed to Hell?" :rolleyes: *
*Because, as a “Catholic”, you know that the focal point of Catholicism in on Jesus Christ…Right? 👍 *
*Peace 🙂 *
 
This is helpful. BTW, Catholicism is not a denomination.
Yeah, it is, at least in today’s common language. Granted, it’s the largest denomination of Christianity, and perhaps the most correct (open to interpretation by some), but it’s a denomination in everyday terms. To say otherwise, is just silly, confusing, and stubborn.

Sorry, this type of stuff is a pet peeve of mine, when a fellow Catholic tries to hint passively or otherwise that they are better than non-catholics by making these types of distinctions. Maybe this wasn’t your intention, but to me the message is loud and clear.
 
*So are you saying…those in the Catholic Church are doomed to Hell?" :rolleyes: *
*Because, as a “Catholic”, you know that the focal point of Catholicism in on Jesus Christ…Right? 👍 *
*Peace 🙂 *
Huh? Nobody said the Catholic Church is doomed to Hell. Where did you get that from? :rolleyes:

Jesus is the key to both Catholic Christians and non-Catholic Christians.
 
Yeah, it is, at least in today’s common language. Granted, it’s the largest denomination of Christianity, and perhaps the most correct (open to interpretation by some), but it’s a denomination in everyday terms. To say otherwise, is just silly, confusing, and stubborn.

Sorry, this type of stuff is a pet peeve of mine, when a fellow Catholic tries to hint passively or otherwise that they are better than non-catholics by making these types of distinctions. Maybe this wasn’t your intention, but to me the message is loud and clear.
With all due respect, you are wrong on two accounts. First, I wasn’t hinting that Catholics are “better” than non-Catholics. I think a quote from St. Thomas Aquinas applies here; “Things are received according to the mode of the recipient.” Second, the Catholic Church does not consider itself a denomination. The Catholic Church considers itself the one founded by Jesus Christ. The Catholic Churche does not use this term as its implication of interchangeability does not agree with its theological teachings.
 
Hello again my friend, justaskin4 and some of the other posters here with questions.

The process of becoming a “full” member of the Catholic Church doesn’t stop at infant Baptism, it begins with Baptism and it is once we are Baptized, that we become Christian. Baptism is the Gateway to Christianity and all of the other Sacraments.

After Infant Baptism, children and teenagers continue through to Confession (Penance and Reconciliation) and first Communion, usually, 2-3 years of religious education, and then another couple of years of religious education for Confirmation.

Many non-Catholic Christians (not all) hold misconceptions about Catholicism and assume that they “do more things Christian” or that, “they have a better understanding of Christianity” or that, “they are more Christian” because among other things, many assume that Infant Baptism and attending Mass is all there is to Catholicism and this is far from the truth.

Other denominations of Christianity didn’t “discover” or “add” Christians truths, they changed, rejected and removed many Christian truths from their beliefs. They are not “more Christian”, technically, many are “less Christian” because they practice “less” Christianity…not only less than the Catholic Church today but also less than all of the Early Christians.

There is not a single religion “more Christian” than Catholicism! There is not a single religion more focused of Jesus Christ or the Bible than Catholicism. Moreover, we do not reject our Christian ancestors, and we do not reject Christian traditions held by the Early Church and early Christians, we embrace them.

Children and teenagers are required to attend five years of Catechism (Catholic/religious Instruction) in order to be Confirmed Catholics, where all of the issues that the other poster posed, are “covered”.

Adults wishing to become Catholic must first attend RCIA for approximately one year and attend Mass every Sunday during that year. If they are not properly Baptized, they must be Baptized on Easter Sunday (at the end of the RCIA year) and then receive their first Communion and Confirmation, where they also reject Satan and “accept Jesus Christ” … this all occurs after they have, to use the OP’s word, “repented”, during their first Confession.

There is no need to re-invent Christianity. The Catholic Church represents the Full Deposit of Faith and all Christian truths are contained in Catholicism. For example, the Catholic Mass is much more biblically-based than most Fundamental or Evangelical Christian denominational services. If you attended a Catholic Mass once a week for three years, you would discover that the entire Bible is read aloud and commented on (in the Homily). Catholic Mass is held every day of the year, not just Sundays, like some other Christian religions. The “Lord’s Prayer” (Our Father) is recited at every Mass and so on and so on…

This all this sounds pretty “Christian” doesn’t it? This all this sounds pretty “Biblical” doesn’t it?

The Catholic Church did not add anything to Christianity; other religions changed, rejected and removed aspects of Christianity from their Faiths and from their lives.

I hope this Helps and I hope you don’t mind that I tried to answer your questions and the other posters questions in the same post here.

I will try to get into a few more details later and I will also provide some links later, on this subject.

God Bless. 🙂
Here are some things that the catholic church has added i.e. doctrines and practices that the NT church did not have. Even catholic scholars admit to these things:
Purgatory which is not even mentioned until around the 3rd century.
Indulgences–there is no sanction of this in the church fathers and nor Scripture.
Treasury of Merit-Not seen until around the 13th century. Again, not only is this not found in scripture but is absent in the church fathers.
 
distracted;3495443]the Catholic Church doesn’t teach that we need the Pope (per se) to be saved… but we do need the Church (obviously the Pope is part of that Church)
If what you say is true then what of this statement by a pope?
We declare, say, define, and pronounce that it is absolutely necessary for the salvation of every human creature to be subject to the Roman Pontiff" (Pope Boniface VIII, the Bull Unam Sanctam, 1302.)
If this wasn’t the case, that Christ had intended the Church be importnat in our lives, Jesus would not have established it. Jesus said that the Church is what will prevail against the gates of Hell… He never daid that anything or anyone else would… (st. Matthew 16:18)…
1 Tim 3:15 says that the Church is the pillar & foundation of truth).
Also, John 3:3 says that unless you are born again through WATER & the Holy Spirit you cannot enter Heaven. This is baptism.
Even so, people can be saved in other ways under certain circumstances understood only by God… It is just that water baptism is the way Jesus wanted things done… there is so much power in it…
 
If what you say is true then what of this statement by a pope?
We declare, say, define, and pronounce that it is absolutely necessary for the salvation of every human creature to be subject to the Roman Pontiff" (Pope Boniface VIII, the Bull Unam Sanctam, 1302.)
This should help you understand.
 
Here are some things that the catholic church has added i.e. doctrines and practices that the NT church did not have. Even catholic scholars admit to these things:
Purgatory which is not even mentioned until around the 3rd century.
Indulgences–there is no sanction of this in the church fathers and nor Scripture.
Treasury of Merit-Not seen until around the 13th century. Again, not only is this not found in scripture but is absent in the church fathers.
Hi Justakin4,

You are incorrect. That Catholic Church, has not “added” anything to Christianity, the Catholic Church is Christianity.

The Catholic Church did not create Christianity, The Catholic Church defines Christianity and the Catholic Church defines aspects of Christianity, base on Sacred Scripture and Sacred Traditions. These Sacred traditions would include the Seven Holy Sacraments.

The Seven Sacraments
  1. Code:
      [Baptism](http://www.catholic.org/clife/prayers/sacrament.php?id=1)
  2. Code:
      [Penance/Reconciliation](http://www.catholic.org/clife/prayers/sacrament.php?id=4)
  3. Code:
      [Eucharist](http://www.catholic.org/clife/prayers/sacrament.php?id=2)
  4. Code:
      [Confirmation](http://www.catholic.org/clife/prayers/sacrament.php?id=3)
  5. Code:
      [Matrimony](http://www.catholic.org/clife/prayers/sacrament.php?id=7)
  6. Code:
      [Holy Orders](http://www.catholic.org/clife/prayers/sacrament.php?id=6)
  7. Code:
      [Anointing of the Sick](http://www.catholic.org/clife/prayers/sacrament.php?id=5)
The Catholic Church is not the “Church of a Book”. The Catholic Church, infallibly guided by the Holy Sprit, collected, organized and approved the “Book” - the Bible. Christianity was not based or founded on a “Book”, it is based on Jesus Christ and Founded on, and by Jesus Christ. We that Follow Christ, are called Christians…not Bible-ists

Peace 🙂
 
Jimmy B;3500143]
Originally Posted by justasking4
Here are some things that the catholic church has added i.e. doctrines and practices that the NT church did not have. Even catholic scholars admit to these things:
Purgatory which is not even mentioned until around the 3rd century.
Indulgences–there is no sanction of this in the church fathers and nor Scripture.
Treasury of Merit-Not seen until around the 13th century. Again, not only is this not found in scripture but is absent in the church fathers.
Jimmy B
Hi Justakin4,

You are incorrect. That Catholic Church, has not “added” anything to Christianity, the Catholic Church is Christianity.
Do you have some support for this assertion? Does the catechism say this or church fathers?
Jimmy B

The Catholic Church did not create Christianity, The Catholic Church defines Christianity and the Catholic Church defines aspects of Christianity, base on Sacred Scripture and Sacred Traditions. These Sacred traditions would include the Seven Holy Sacraments.
I agree your church may do these things but that does not mean they are automatically true.
What Sacred Traditions specifically are you referring to in regards to your claim that they defined Christianity?
Jimmy B

The Seven Sacraments
  1. Code:
      [Baptism](http://www.catholic.org/clife/prayers/sacrament.php?id=1)
  2. Code:
      [Penance/Reconciliation](http://www.catholic.org/clife/prayers/sacrament.php?id=4)
  3. Code:
      [Eucharist](http://www.catholic.org/clife/prayers/sacrament.php?id=2)
  4. Code:
      [Confirmation](http://www.catholic.org/clife/prayers/sacrament.php?id=3)
  5. Code:
      [Matrimony](http://www.catholic.org/clife/prayers/sacrament.php?id=7)
  6. Code:
      [Holy Orders](http://www.catholic.org/clife/prayers/sacrament.php?id=6)
  7. Code:
      [Anointing of the Sick](http://www.catholic.org/clife/prayers/sacrament.php?id=5)
The Catholic Church is not the “Church of a Book”. The Catholic Church, infallibly guided by the Holy Sprit, collected, organized and approved the “Book” - the Bible. Christianity was not based or founded on a “Book”, it is based on Jesus Christ and Founded on, and by Jesus Christ. We that Follow Christ, are called Christians…not Bible-ists
You said a mouthful here. Since you claim the catholic church is not a “Church of a Book” but is based Jesus Christ then i don’t know what you mean by this. The only teachings we have of Jesus Christ can only be found in the New Testament which it appears you reject as an authority over your church. If this is true, what Jesus are you speaking of since there are no teachings of Christ outside the NT?
 
…Purgatory which is not even mentioned until around the 3rd century.
Purgatory

The Church doesn’t exclude the possibility that purgatory could be an instantaneous purification, but there are indications in the Bible that souls do exist in some state that is neither heaven nor hell.

Purgatory in the Bible-

Matthew 5:26
26 Amen, I say to you, you will not be released until you have paid the last penny.
1 Peter 3:19–20
19 In it he also went to preach to the spirits in prison,
20 who had once been disobedient while God patiently waited in the days of Noah during the building of the ark, in which a few persons, eight in all, were saved through water.
1 Peter 4:6
6 For this is why the gospel was preached even to the dead 2 that, though condemned in the flesh in human estimation, they might live in the spirit in the estimation of God.
1 Corinthians 3:14–15
14 If the work stands that someone built upon the foundation, that person will receive a wage.
15 But if someone’s work is burned up, that one will suffer loss; the person will be saved, 8 but only as through fire.
Revelations 21:27
27 but nothing unclean will enter it, nor any (one) who does abominable things or tells lies. Only those will enter whose names are written in the Lamb’s book of life.
1 Corinthians 15:29-30
29 Otherwise, what will people accomplish by having themselves baptized for the dead? If the dead are not raised at all, then why are they having themselves baptized for them?
2 Maccabees 12:41–45
41 They all therefore praised the ways of the Lord, the just judge who brings to light the things that are hidden.
42 Turning to supplication, they prayed that the sinful deed might be fully blotted out. The noble Judas warned the soldiers to keep themselves free from sin, for they had seen with their own eyes what had happened because of the sin of those who had fallen.
43 He then took up a collection among all his soldiers, amounting to two thousand silver drachmas, which he sent to Jerusalem to provide for an expiatory sacrifice. In doing this he acted in a very excellent and noble way, inasmuch as he had the resurrection of the dead in view;
44 for if he were not expecting the fallen to rise again, it would have been useless and foolish to pray for them in death.
45 But if he did this with a view to the splendid reward that awaits those who had gone to rest in godliness, it was a holy and pious thought.

Also See -
Matthew 5:48
Matthew 12:32
Hebrews 12:14
James 3:2
1 John 5:16-17
2 Samuel 12:13-14
2 Timothy1:16-18
 
Purgatory

Catechism or the Catholic Church USCCB

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**1031 **The Church gives the name *Purgatory *to this final purification of the elect, which is entirely different from the punishment of the damned. The Church formulated her doctrine of faith on Purgatory especially at the Councils of Florence and Trent. The tradition of the Church, by reference to certain texts of Scripture, speaks of a cleansing fire:

As for certain lesser faults, we must believe that, before the Final Judgment, there is a purifying fire. He who is truth says that whoever utters blasphemy against the Holy Spirit will be pardoned neither in this age nor in the age to come. From this sentence we understand that certain offenses can be forgiven in this age, but certain others in the age to come.
**1498 **Through indulgences the faithful can obtain the remission of temporal punishment resulting from sin for themselves and also for the souls in Purgatory.
**1475 **In the communion of saints, “a perennial link of charity exists between the faithful who have already reached their heavenly home, those who are expiating their sins in purgatory and those who are still pilgrims on earth. between them there is, too, an abundant exchange of all good things.” In this wonderful exchange, the holiness of one profits others, well beyond the harm that the sin of one could cause others. Thus recourse to the communion of saints lets the contrite sinner be more promptly and efficaciously purified of the punishments for sin.

**1472 **To understand this doctrine and practice of the Church, it is necessary to understand that sin has a double consequence. Grave sin deprives us of communion with God and therefore makes us incapable of eternal life, the privation of which is called the “eternal punishment” of sin. On the other hand every sin, even venial, entails an unhealthy attachment to creatures, which must be purified either here on earth, or after death in the state called Purgatory. This purification frees one from what is called the “temporal punishment” of sin. These two punishments must not be conceived of as a kind of vengeance inflicted by God from without, but as following from the very nature of sin. A conversion which proceeds from a fervent charity can attain the complete purification of the sinner in such a way that no punishment would remain.

**
 
Hello again justasking4, you wrote (post #770)

“The only teachings we have of Jesus Christ can only be found in the New Testament”

This is completely false…The Old Testament points us to the New Testament and to Jesus Christ. Additionally the New Testament points us towards the Old Testament.

Jesus Christ made reference to the Old Testament all throughout His ministry - described in the New Testament. You don’t actually believe this do you? For Starters…What about Old Testament Prophesies regarding Jesus?

Peace 🙂
 
Hello again justasking4, you wrote (post #770)

“The only teachings we have of Jesus Christ can only be found in the New Testament”

This is completely false…The Old Testament points us to the New Testament and to Jesus Christ. Additionally the New Testament points us towards the Old Testament.

Jesus Christ made reference to the Old Testament all throughout His ministry - described in the New Testament. You don’t actually believe this do you? For Starters…What about Old Testament Prophesies regarding Jesus?

Peace 🙂
Good points. The OT does point us to Christ but the writings of the OT are not the teachings of Jesus as in the gospels are. He the gospels we have the words of Christ (red lettered) while in the OT we have the Spirit working through men i.e. the prophets.
 
Jimmy B;3500542]Purgatory

The Church doesn’t exclude the possibility that purgatory could be an instantaneous purification, but there are indications in the Bible that souls do exist in some state that is neither heaven nor hell.

Purgatory in the Bible-

Matthew 5:26
26 Amen, I say to you, you will not be released until you have paid the last penny.
1 Peter 3:19–20
19 In it he also went to preach to the spirits in prison,
20 who had once been disobedient while God patiently waited in the days of Noah during the building of the ark, in which a few persons, eight in all, were saved through water.
1 Peter 4:6
6 For this is why the gospel was preached even to the dead 2 that, though condemned in the flesh in human estimation, they might live in the spirit in the estimation of God.
1 Corinthians 3:14–15
14 If the work stands that someone built upon the foundation, that person will receive a wage.
15 But if someone’s work is burned up, that one will suffer loss; the person will be saved, 8 but only as through fire.
Revelations 21:27
27 but nothing unclean will enter it, nor any (one) who does abominable things or tells lies. Only those will enter whose names are written in the Lamb’s book of life.
1 Corinthians 15:29-30
I know these passages and texts are used by the catholic church to say the scriptures claim for purgatory. However here is the definition for it as you have given in another post:
1031 The Church gives the name Purgatory to this final purification of the elect, which is entirely different from the punishment of the damned. The Church formulated her doctrine of faith on Purgatory especially at the Councils of Florence and Trent. The tradition of the Church, by reference to certain texts of Scripture, speaks of a cleansing fire:

Where in the passages you quote is it spoken of a “speaks of a cleansing fire” in relation to sin?
 
Good points. The OT does point us to Christ but the writings of the OT are not the teachings of Jesus as in the gospels are. He the gospels we have the words of Christ (red lettered) while in the OT we have the Spirit working through men i.e. the prophets.
Hello again justasking4,

I am glad you agree in part, but it is important to know that all Truth and all Goodness originate from God, Jesus Christ is God! The “teachings” in the Old Testament and those in the New Testament, including those outside the “red letter” portions, come from God as well.

Jesus is God! He is the second person of the Holy Trinity.

I hope this helps.

Peace** 🙂 **
 
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