Is Jesus Christ and the Roman Catholic Church the only way to salvation?

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roguejim said:
Again, lots of worthless, yapping opinions without an ounce of authority to support any of it. A fair amount of heterodoxy no less.

Let the popes and saints speak:
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Sorry roguejim,
I say let the Son of God Speak:
"“For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him.” John 3:16-17
Jesus

For God did not appoint us to suffer wrath but to receive salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ.1 Thessalonians 5:9

“Come, follow me,” Jesus said, "and I will make you fishers of men."Matthew 4:19

Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me."John 14:6

I have no disrespect for any pope, but when a person even a pope says that I am going to hell or have sinned because I am not catholic, to that I have this:

"Do not judge, or you too will be judged. 2For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you"Matthew 7:1-2

"Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You shut the kingdom of heaven in men’s faces. You yourselves do not enter, nor will you let those enter who are trying to."Matthew 23:13

Jesus is the way to Heaven, not the popes, sorry. Authority comes from God and Jesus respectively, the pope is just a holy man, fallible like the rest of humanity. Every word that proceeds from their lips may be holy, but in no means should it be quoted like holy scripture.
 
BornAgainChrist said:
Authority comes from God and Jesus respectively,
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Up to this point, I agree with you.

To whom does Jesus give His authority, though? Just randomly anybody who wants it? Or only to specific people? (HINT: John 20:19-23)

19 On the evening of that first day of the week, when the disciples were together, with the doors locked for fear of the Jews, Jesus came and stood among them and said, “Peace be with you!” 20 After he said this, he showed them his hands and side. The disciples were overjoyed when they saw the Lord.

21 Again Jesus said, “Peace be with you! As the Father has sent me, I am sending you.” 22 And with that he breathed on them and said, “Receive the Holy Spirit. 23 If you forgive anyone his sins, they are forgiven; if you do not forgive them, they are not forgiven.”
 
meandean said:
how is one saved by works?
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See James 2:14-26

14What good is it, my brothers, if a man claims to have faith but has no deeds? Can such faith save him? 15Suppose a brother or sister is without clothes and daily food. 16If one of you says to him, “Go, I wish you well; keep warm and well fed,” but does nothing about his physical needs, what good is it? 17In the same way, faith by itself, if it is not accompanied by action, is dead.

18But someone will say, “You have faith; I have deeds.”
Show me your faith without deeds, and I will show you my faith by what I do.

19You believe that there is one God. Good! Even the demons believe that—and shudder.

20You foolish man, do you want evidence that faith without deeds is useless? 21Was not our ancestor Abraham considered righteous for what he did when he offered his son Isaac on the altar? 22You see that his faith and his actions were working together, and his faith was made complete by what he did. 23And the scripture was fulfilled that says, “Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness,”[e] and he was called God’s friend. 24You see that a person is justified by what he does and not by faith alone.

25In the same way, was not even Rahab the prostitute considered righteous for what she did when she gave lodging to the spies and sent them off in a different direction? 26As the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without deeds is dead.
 
jmcrae said:
See James 2:14-26

14What good is it, my brothers, if a man claims to have faith but has no deeds? Can such faith save him? 15Suppose a brother or sister is without clothes and daily food. 16If one of you says to him, “Go, I wish you well; keep warm and well fed,” but does nothing about his physical needs, what good is it? 17In the same way, faith by itself, if it is not accompanied by action, is dead.

18But someone will say, “You have faith; I have deeds.”
Show me your faith without deeds, and I will show you my faith by what I do.

19You believe that there is one God. Good! Even the demons believe that—and shudder.

20You foolish man, do you want evidence that faith without deeds is useless? 21Was not our ancestor Abraham considered righteous for what he did when he offered his son Isaac on the altar? 22You see that his faith and his actions were working together, and his faith was made complete by what he did. 23And the scripture was fulfilled that says, “Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness,”[e] and he was called God’s friend. 24You see that a person is justified by what he does and not by faith alone.

25In the same way, was not even Rahab the prostitute considered righteous for what she did when she gave lodging to the spies and sent them off in a different direction? 26As the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without deeds is dead.
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i enjoy those scriptures, but once again, either you are under grace or under the law, the gospel is salvation by grace through faith. thats it, nothing else. grace and works cannot stay in the same room, much like spirit and flesh , for i do not set aside the grace of god, for if righteousness could be gained through the law, then christ died for nothing, galatians2:21
 
meandean said:
i enjoy those scriptures, but once again, either you are under grace or under the law, the gospel is salvation by grace through faith. thats it, nothing else. grace and works cannot stay in the same room, much like spirit and flesh , for i do not set aside the grace of god, for if righteousness could be gained through the law, then christ died for nothing, galatians2:21
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Is the Epistle of James not as important a part of the Bible as St. Paul’s Epistle to the Galatians? 🤷

Grace is the starting point, but if we don’t respond to it through obedience (that is, “works”) then that grace will not remain with us. “Faith alone” is lip-service without actions to follow up, so let us see what Jesus thought of lip-service:

Mark 7:6
He answered and said unto them, Well hath Isaiah prophesied of you hypocrites, as it is written, This people honoureth me with their lips, but their heart is far from me.

Isaiah 29:12-14

And the book is delivered to him that is not learned, saying, Read this, I pray thee: and he saith, I am not learned. Wherefore the Lord said, Forasmuch as this people draw near me with their mouth, and with their lips do honour me, but have removed their heart far from me, and their fear toward me is taught by the precept of men: Therefore, behold, I will proceed to do a marvellous work among this people, even a marvellous work and a wonder: for the wisdom of their wise men shall perish, and the understanding of their prudent men shall be hid.

It doesn’t sound all that promising for those who depend on “faith alone,” does it … ? :eek:
 
jmcrae said:
Is the Epistle of James not as important a part of the Bible as St. Paul’s Epistle to the Galatians? 🤷

Grace is the starting point, but if we don’t respond to it through obedience (that is, “works”) then that grace will not remain with us. “Faith alone” is lip-service without actions to follow up, so let us see what Jesus thought of lip-service:

Mark 7:6
He answered and said unto them, Well hath Isaiah prophesied of you hypocrites, as it is written, This people honoureth me with their lips, but their heart is far from me.

Isaiah 29:12-14

And the book is delivered to him that is not learned, saying, Read this, I pray thee: and he saith, I am not learned. Wherefore the Lord said, Forasmuch as this people draw near me with their mouth, and with their lips do honour me, but have removed their heart far from me, and their fear toward me is taught by the precept of men: Therefore, behold, I will proceed to do a marvellous work among this people, even a marvellous work and a wonder: for the wisdom of their wise men shall perish, and the understanding of their prudent men shall be hid.

It doesn’t sound all that promising for those who depend on “faith alone,” does it … ? :eek:
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the law is not based on faith, on the contrary,the man who does these things will live by them,(all of the law), christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us, for it is written, cursed is everyone who is hung on a tree. he redeemed us in order that the blessing given to abraham might come to the gentiles through christ jesus, so that by faith we might recieve the promise of the spirit…verse 22,scripture declares that the whole world is a prisoner of sin, so that what was promised, being given through faith in jesus christ, might be given to those who believe. galatians is the heart of the gospel message, either your a slave, still under the law, or you are free in christ. mixing the law and grace is what pollutes the message of the gospel.it is by christ alone, and no man can boast.i believe this is where the church split, not at the council of trent, nicaea,sardica, or any other . it is right here, the gospel message is either by gace alone, or by works of the law. if by grace than you are free, if by works, you remain in bondage.which one are you?
 
meandean said:
the law is not based on faith, on the contrary,the man who does these things will live by them,(all of the law), christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us, for it is written, cursed is everyone who is hung on a tree. he redeemed us in order that the blessing given to abraham might come to the gentiles through christ jesus, so that by faith we might recieve the promise of the spirit…verse 22,scripture declares that the whole world is a prisoner of sin, so that what was promised, being given through faith in jesus christ, might be given to those who believe. galatians is the heart of the gospel message, either your a slave, still under the law, or you are free in christ. mixing the law and grace is what pollutes the message of the gospel.it is by christ alone, and no man can boast.i believe this is where the church split, not at the council of trent, nicaea,sardica, or any other . it is right here, the gospel message is either by gace alone, or by works of the law. if by grace than you are free, if by works, you remain in bondage.which one are you?
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It’s not “either/or” - you have to have both faith and works, as St. James tells us.

By the way, who says that something in the middle of the letter to the Galatians is “the heart of the Gospel” - why not Matthew 25:31-46, or Matthew 16:18-19, or John 20:19-23, or John 21:15-19? 🤷
 
jmcrae said:
It’s not “either/or” - you have to have both faith and works, as St. James tells us.

By the way, who says that something in the middle of the letter to the Galatians is “the heart of the Gospel” - why not Matthew 25:31-46, or Matthew 16:18-19, or John 20:19-23, or John 21:15-19? 🤷
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look, god loves you,but his love cannot save you. it is only by his grace he can save you. so it is completely based on what he did for you on the cross, not what you do, thats why he said it is done on the cross. so if you are going to mix grace and the law, there no way could remain a sacrifice for you. the law and all its evil, is nailed to the cross, unless , you are still trying to fullfill it…
 
meandean said:
look, god loves you,but his love cannot save you. it is only by his grace he can save you. so it is completely based on what he did for you on the cross, not what you do, thats why he said it is done on the cross. so if you are going to mix grace and the law, there no way could remain a sacrifice for you. the law and all its evil, is nailed to the cross, unless , you are still trying to fullfill it…
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No, not at all. Grace comes through obedience to Christ. Obedience to Christ is an action - it’s the action of obeying His commandments. There is nothing in the Bible that says you can get to Heaven by means of lip-service or “faith alone.” Christ’s sacrifice on the Cross put an end to the laws of the Old Covenant, but it did not initiate an era of chaos; rather, it initiated the New Covenant, which has its own laws and regulations based on Christ’s forgiveness of our sins.
 
Jesus is the only way to be save not a cult the catholic church. John3:16 -Act4:12-John14:6 not catholic church. Jesus only that God word and God can’t lie his word is true.👍
 
Demetress said:
Jesus is the only way to be save not a cult the catholic church. John3:16 -Act4:12-John14:6 not catholic church. Jesus only that God word and God can’t lie his word is true.👍
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What is it with Protestants not being able to write in clear, coherent sentences? :confused:

Jesus founded a Church, and it is through His Church that He saves us.

I’ll give you an analogy - say you were walking along and suddenly you fell into a deep hole.

Someone comes along and throws down a rescue basket - he says, “Get into the rescue basket; I am going to save you.” Would you then say, “No, I won’t get into the rescue basket, since you promised you would save me. Why should I get into the rescue basket, if you are going to save me?”

Jesus is the man at the top of the pit. The Church is the rescue basket that Jesus is throwing down for us. In order for Him to be able to save us, we have to get into the Church, so that He can carry us in it up to Heaven to be with Him.
 
A simpler approach to all of this. If you have faith, then you will “want” to follow what Christ teaches, it will spring forth from your soul as a natural element, this turns into works, works are the fruit of faith, and indeed, Grace is what allows for all of this to happen. Faith without works is dead, the same as works without faith is useless.
 
FaithofAbraham said:
  1. RCC, Jesus is God
  2. Protestant, Jesus is God
  3. Other (like me), Jesus is Messiah and rules as God, but not born God.
  4. Jesus is not Messiah or God.
Couple of questions for opinion:

a. At what point is a person in danger of Hell?

b. If #4 was like a saint in all other ways – charity, never sinning, etc. – and #1 sinned all the time, adultery, stingy, etc. – who has a better chance of Heaven?
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You might find answer here thecatholictreasurechest.com/
 
mikew262 said:
Another choice should’ve been “I’m not sure”. I find it hard to believe that a Jew, non-radical Muslim, a Hindu,etc. who has lived a good and peaceful life, and has faithfully worshiped God as he sees him is bound for hell.
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Hey mikey262 here is a website where you can learn more about our Catholic Faith. Help me a lot to sharpen my knowledge against those who said that Catholic Church is a cult. They are not even know what true cult is.
 
Does this sound familiar " The gates of hell shall not prevail against it" - against his Church - that is what Jesus said to Peter. The Catholic Church still strong up to this day - 2000 years. Through out history anti Catholic tries to overthrow the Church - none succeeded even the scandal about sex abuse they won’t bring down the Church because as I said below the Church herself spotless, sinless and Holy.God promise to protect his Church. The Church herself is Holy, Spotless and Sinless. For those who said this and that about the Church that is mean they rebel against God.

Despite persecutions, scandals, and the sins of her members, the Catholic Church lives on. She has stood invincible throughout two thousand years of history and will last until the end of time, for Christ Himself promised that she would.

“And I tell you, you are Peter,” said the Lord. “And on this rock I will build My Church, and the powers of death shall not prevail against it” (Matt. 16:18).

To those who did not hear go right ahead speak against Him because no matter what you will never never overthrow God’s own word and promise. You may hurt her members but not His Church which very well guarded as He promised.

Again I tell you Sola Scriptural doesn’t work - not enough for you or even me if I believe in that be able to enter the kingdom of God. Thank God for the Catholic Church. I have been sway many times and by the grace of God He leads me back again to His one true Church. Read and read and read about the history of the Church. Do not take man word for it. Seek and you shall find. Ask for the Holy Spirit to guide you. You got nothing to loose.

If inside of you still has hatred and try to find fault in the Catholic Church that is a sign that you are not fully understand your own faith - something missing. You will know it when you are not - that is when you know when to love your enemies. Not just by professing with your lips but also with your heart mind and soul. As for me I don’t feel hatred against other denominations because I am complete under the Catholic Church’s wing. Catholic Church covers everything. You are not going to know if you yourself did not want to try to find the truth. By reading articles by someone already against the Catholic Church will not give you the right answer because they only focus on the negativity and false accusation. Go to the Catholic Church herself to find that truth and you decide from there.
 
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