Is Jesus Christ and the Roman Catholic Church the only way to salvation?

[peary]

Notice that it says the DEAD were judged according to their works. This means the spirtually dead, not the physically dead. What the verse is saying is that saved people don’t get judged for their sins, but unsaved people do. The unsaved will be judged accordning to their works, and all will come short. I don’t need my sins judged, because all of my sins have been written on Jesus’ account.

That is not the generally-accepted interpretation of that passage.

 

[BloodWashed]

That is not the generally-accepted interpretation of that passage.

It is in everything I’ve read on it. When it refers to the dead, it means the SPIRITUALLY dead.

Also, even if I were to be judged for works, if thats what the passage meant, I’d be fine. Because when God looks at me, he isn’t going to see /me/, he’s going to see the blood of Jesus. The blood of Jesus washes away all sin, so when he goes to judge me based on my sin, there wont be any to judge me on, because Jesus washed it all away.

 

[Jimmy_B]

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**Catechism of the Catholic Church

846 How are we to understand this affirmation, often repeated by the Church Fathers? Re-formulated positively, it means that all salvation comes from Christ the Head through the Church which is his Body:

Basing itself on Scripture and Tradition, the Council teaches that the Church, a pilgrim now on earth, is necessary for salvation: the one Christ is the mediator and the way of salvation; he is present to us in his body which is the Church. He himself explicitly asserted the necessity of faith and Baptism, and thereby affirmed at the same time the necessity of the Church which men enter through Baptism as through a door. Hence they could not be saved who, knowing that the Catholic Church was founded as necessary by God through Christ, would refuse either to enter it or to remain in it.**

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[Lampo]

“So then, my beloved, obedient as you have always been, not only when I am present but all the more now when I am absent, work out your salvation with fear and trembling.” - 1 Phil. 2:12

 

[Lampo]

Revelation 22:18

To me, that kinda sounds like its saying “don’t add to scripture”

and it goes on…Revelation 22:19 - “…and if anyone takes away from the words in this prophetic book, God will take away his share in the tree of life…”

To me, that kinda sounds like someone taking seven books out of the Bible. In fact, Rev. 22:18 sounds kinda like someone adding the word “alone” to Rom. 3:28.

 

[Delta2]

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Is Jesus Christ and the Roman Catholic Church the only way to salvation?​

I as a full Roman Catholic, can’t believe that God just dismiss good and peaceful souls as like Ghandy

Once I have read a book from a devoted catholic woman that had visions

Maria Simma

amazon.com/Amazing-Secret-Souls-Purgatory-Interview/dp/1579180043

It is a great book, It’s a catholic vision of purgatory

FIRST :

It is not God who throws man to hell or to purgatory

God is a spirit of Light, a pure spirit of love, so holy and bright that a sinner man just can’t face Him directly…

Can you face the sun or you throw away your eyes from it ? some times hiding from it ?

Is just the same

SECOND:

I made a lot of religions studies, comparing douctrines, reading apologetics, etc

Catholic church really is the true religion of God

But God can save a pious muslim, or a pious hindu, etc…

The danger resides on a evil doctrine that can’t produce good fruits, perhaps just a few

I see Catholic Church as Highway that clearly shows the way to God, and the other religions as secondary roads, and others roads without an exit that lead to nowhere

You follow the highway and you in the right-path, you follow a secondary road and you can get in to trouble never reaching the destiny : there is so much intersections, to much directions that you will lost forever

 

[Jesuspaiditall]

JESUS is the way; not ANY church. That’a what the Bible says.

 

[peary]

It is in everything I’ve read on it. When it refers to the dead, it means the SPIRITUALLY dead.

Also, even if I were to be judged for works, if thats what the passage meant, I’d be fine. Because when God looks at me, he isn’t going to see /me/, he’s going to see the blood of Jesus. The blood of Jesus washes away all sin, so when he goes to judge me based on my sin, there wont be any to judge me on, because Jesus washed it all away.

The way I interpret it (which is my opinion, but is still based on the Church’s understanding of the passages) is that, whether it be on the last day of judgment, or our personal judgment immediately following death, we will be justified by our works.
We are saved by grace alone; we are justified by our works.

Jesus’s death opened up a New Covenant between God and humanity, but I think it is wrong to assume that we are personally forgiven for all our sins, now and in the future. The Scriptures emphatically tell us to repent, believe and be baptized. When God looks at us, He will justify us through the Commandment He left to us: Love others as I have loved you. And that would include both the corporal and spiritual works of mercy.

 

[peary]

JESUS is the way; not ANY church. That’a what the Bible says.

Jesus is the Way. He gave us His Church to stay on the right path. Read ACTS.

 

[peacelight]

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Is Jesus Christ and the Roman Catholic Church the only way to salvation?​

I as a full Roman Catholic, can’t believe that God just dismiss good and peaceful souls as like Ghandy

Once I have read a book from a devoted catholic woman that had visions

Maria Simma

amazon.com/Amazing-Secret-Souls-Purgatory-Interview/dp/1579180043

It is a great book, It’s a catholic vision of purgatory

FIRST :

It is not God who throws man to hell or to purgatory

God is a spirit of Light, a pure spirit of love, so holy and bright that a sinner man just can’t face Him directly…

Can you face the sun or you throw away your eyes from it ? some times hiding from it ?

Is just the same

SECOND:

I made a lot of religions studies, comparing douctrines, reading apologetics, etc

Catholic church really is the true religion of God

But God can save a pious muslim, or a pious hindu, etc…

The danger resides on a evil doctrine that can’t produce good fruits, perhaps just a few

I see Catholic Church as Highway that clearly shows the way to God, and the other religions as secondary roads, and others roads without an exit that lead to nowhere

You follow the highway and you in the right-path, you follow a secondary road and you can get in to trouble never reaching the destiny : there is so much intersections, to much directions that you will lost forever

AMEN and AMEN:thumbsup:

 

[peacelight]

Jesus is the Way. He gave us His Church to stay on the right path. Read ACTS.

AMEN and AMEN:thumbsup:

 

[peacelight]

The way I interpret it (which is my opinion, but is still based on the Church’s understanding of the passages) is that, whether it be on the last day of judgment, or our personal judgment immediately following death, we will be justified by our works.
We are saved by grace alone; we are justified by our works.

Jesus’s death opened up a New Covenant between God and humanity, but I think it is wrong to assume that we are personally forgiven for all our sins, now and in the future. The Scriptures emphatically tell us to repent, believe and be baptized. When God looks at us, He will justify us through the Commandment He left to us: Love others as I have loved you. And that would include both the corporal and spiritual works of mercy.

Amen to that!

 

[peacelight]

JESUS is the way; not ANY church. That’a what the Bible says.

“Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? And in thy name done many wonderful works?” Matthew 7:21-22

Now this is talking about a future event; an entrance into the kingdom that takes place when we see Jesus face to face. So even though we have been translated out of darkness, into the kingdom of his Son, (Col 1:13) this is talking about an entrance that is yet to come. For there is a day coming when we will all stand before the judgment seat of Christ; In that day many will try to enter his kingdom gates; but not all that say Lord, Lord are going to enter in. You see, the kingdom of heaven has yet to appear. (Luke 19:11) But when it does, we are going to see a glorious city with gates on every side; (Rev 21:10-13) gates that are going to separate those that made Christ their savior, from those that did the will of the Father and also made him their Lord. (Mat 7:13; Mat 8:11-12; Mat 22:1-14; Mat 25:1-30; Luke 13:24-29; Rev 21:9-13; Rev 22:14). So if we want to walk through the gates of his kingdom, we need to make Jesus the Lord of our lives by doing the things he said; for not every believer that says Lord, Lord will enter into the kingdom of heaven, but he that does the will of the Father:

"And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?@ Luke 6:46

"Strive to enter in at the strait gate: for many, I say unto you, will seek to enter in, and shall not be able. When once the master of the house is risen up, and hath shut the door, and ye begin to stand without, and to knock at the door, saying, Lord, Lord, open unto us. Luke 13:24-25

“They that were ready went in with him to the marriage, and the door was shut… Afterward came also other virgins, saying, Lord, Lord, open to us.” Matthew 25:11

For in that day, many are going to say Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name? And did we not cast out devils in your name? And didn’t we do wonderful works in your name?? For you see, these are believers that ministered in the name of Christ; but even though they did all these things, they didn’t do everything they were commanded to do, and to their surprise, it was enough to keep them outside the kingdom gates: And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. (Matt 7:23) In other words, Jesus tells them to depart because they worked unrighteousness. For this isn’t a matter of whether or not they believed in Jesus Christ, but rather a matter of whether or not they knew him and lived righteously; for those that know him and love him keep his commandments and they do the things he said:

“And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments. He that saith, I know him and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. But whosoever keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.” 1 John 3-5; see 1 Cor 8:3

“He that hath my commandments, and keepth them, he it is that loveth me… Jesus answered and said unto him, if a man love me he will keep my words; and my Father will love him; and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him. He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings.” John 14:21 (He that loveth not knoweth not God.@ 1 John 4:8; see 1 John 5:1-3)

You see, not everyone that believes in Jesus Christ knows him and loves him; for those that do keep his commandments and they do the things he said; and for this reason, many believers are going to find themselves outside his gates knocking, saying, Lord, Lord, open to us, let us in:

Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock. And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not; for it was founded upon a rock. Matthew 7:24

 

[peacelight]

Now this is probably one of the most important therefores in the Bible; Therefore… because he is going to tell us to depart… (not into the lake of fire, but outside his kingdom gates) we are wise if we keep his sayings and foolish if we don’t. In other words, we can prophesy, cast out devils, and even do miracles in his name, but if we don’t keep his sayings and live righteously, we are likened unto a man that builds his house on the sand; and in that final day when our works are tested, our labors for Christ will crumble, and we are going to suffer loss. (1 Cor 3:13-15) And everyone that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand: And the rain descended, and he floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it.@ Mat 7:26-27 And great will be our loss, when we find ourselves outside his glorious kingdom.

So if we want to enter his visible kingdom (New Jerusalem) we need to build our house on the rock; not just by hearing his sayings, but by keeping them and doing them; for those that are wise do everything he commands us to do; not just the old commandments that Jesus fulfilled, (Mat 5:17-19) but the new ones that call for an inward righteousness and an obedience that takes place in the heart: For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven. (Matt 5:20) For the Pharisees fasted, prayed, tithed, proselyted, went to church, and looked very righteous, but it was only an appearance; for on the inside, their hearts were full of pride, anger, lust, greed, dishonesty, wickedness, iniquity, uncleanness, hypocrisy, and evil speaking; and not only did Jesus reprove them for not having mercy, but he said they were foolish for ignoring their inward parts. (Matt 12:33-34; Matt 13:32-37; Matt 23:1-28; Luke 11:39-44; Luke 18:9-14)

 

[rinnie]

JESUS is the way; not ANY church. That’a what the Bible says./QUOTE

Okay can you explain this than, ccc1089quote Christ indeed always associates the Church with himself in this great work in which God is perfectly glorified and men are sanctified. The Church is his beloved Bride who calls to her lord and through him offers worship to the eternal Father.unquote. Because his body, which is the Church is like a sacrament in which the Holy Spirit despenses the mystery of salvation. Then what does that mean? Could you explain it to me in your words? But I do agree with you on one Point not ANY Church the Roman Catholic Church.

 

[BloodWashed]

and it goes on…Revelation 22:19 - “…and if anyone takes away from the words in this prophetic book, God will take away his share in the tree of life…”

To me, that kinda sounds like someone taking seven books out of the Bible. In fact, Rev. 22:18 sounds kinda like someone adding the word “alone” to Rom. 3:28.

My Bible doesn’t have “alone” in Rom. 3:28. I don’t know the whole history behind why those books were taken out, but I’d be happy to get back to you on that. Regardless, I can’t do anything about what was taken out–that wasn’t me. But I can do something about whether I add man’s traditions to my worship.

“So then, my beloved, obedient as you have always been, not only when I am present but all the more now when I am absent, work out your salvation with fear and trembling.” - 1 Phil. 2:12

YOUR OWN salvation. Not God’s salvation. This is about become a spiritual istead of carnal Christian.

“Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? And in thy name done many wonderful works?” Matthew 7:21-22

Now this is talking about a future event; an entrance into the kingdom that takes place when we see Jesus face to face. So even though we have been translated out of darkness, into the kingdom of his Son, (Col 1:13) this is talking about an entrance that is yet to come. For there is a day coming when we will all stand before the judgment seat of Christ; In that day many will try to enter his kingdom gates; but not all that say Lord, Lord are going to enter in. You see, the kingdom of heaven has yet to appear. (Luke 19:11) But when it does, we are going to see a glorious city with gates on every side; (Rev 21:10-13) gates that are going to separate those that made Christ their savior, from those that did the will of the Father and also made him their Lord. (Mat 7:13; Mat 8:11-12; Mat 22:1-14; Mat 25:1-30; Luke 13:24-29; Rev 21:9-13; Rev 22:14). So if we want to walk through the gates of his kingdom, we need to make Jesus the Lord of our lives by doing the things he said; for not every believer that says Lord, Lord will enter into the kingdom of heaven, but he that does the will of the Father:

"And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?@ Luke 6:46

"Strive to enter in at the strait gate: for many, I say unto you, will seek to enter in, and shall not be able. When once the master of the house is risen up, and hath shut the door, and ye begin to stand without, and to knock at the door, saying, Lord, Lord, open unto us. Luke 13:24-25

“They that were ready went in with him to the marriage, and the door was shut… Afterward came also other virgins, saying, Lord, Lord, open to us.” Matthew 25:11

For in that day, many are going to say Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name? And did we not cast out devils in your name? And didn’t we do wonderful works in your name?? For you see, these are believers that ministered in the name of Christ; but even though they did all these things, they didn’t do everything they were commanded to do, and to their surprise, it was enough to keep them outside the kingdom gates: And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. (Matt 7:23) In other words, Jesus tells them to depart because they worked unrighteousness. For this isn’t a matter of whether or not they believed in Jesus Christ, but rather a matter of whether or not they knew him and lived righteously; for those that know him and love him keep his commandments and they do the things he said:

You’re missing the point of the passage. The people cast into the lake of fire were RELIGIOUS people. They were saying to God, “Lord, look at all the good works I have done!” But Jesus said he never knew them. They never got BORN again, so all their ‘good’ works had a stench as wrotten as sin.

 

[peacelight]

You’re missing the point of the passage. The people cast into the lake of fire were RELIGIOUS people. They were saying to God, “Lord, look at all the good works I have done!” But Jesus said he never knew them. They never got BORN again, so all their ‘good’ works had a stench as wrotten as sin.

I think you missing the point. The passage has broader meaning. Do not judge the book by it covers. It is apply to each and everyone of us not just religious people.

 

[BloodWashed]

I think you missing the point. The passage has broader meaning. Do not judge the book by it covers. It is apply to each and everyone of us not just religious people.

I am not missing the point. LOOK at what it says:

**21Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. **

Not everyone who says they believe in God is going. Who is going? He that doeth the will of the Father. What is the will of the Father?

…God is] not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentence. 2 Peter 3:9

So, not everyone that believes in God is going to heaven, only those that do the will of the Father by being born again.

**22Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? **

Look at what the damned say. They don’t say, “Lord, I never did any good works, but I did get saved!” They say the opposite. They never got born again, but they profess their wonderful works which they did in the Lord.

23And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

“I never knew you” means that they never accepted Jesus as their personal savior. Then he tells them that they work INIQUITY. If a person is not born again, then they shouldn’t waste their time giving to the poor; they might at well rob a bank, God sees it the same way.

 

[peacelight]

I am not missing the point. LOOK at what it says:

**21Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. **

Not everyone who says they believe in God is going. Who is going? He that doeth the will of the Father. What is the will of the Father?

…God is] not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentence. 2 Peter 3:9

So, not everyone that believes in God is going to heaven, only those that do the will of the Father by being born again.

22Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

Look at what the damned say. They don’t say, “Lord, I never did any good works, but I did get saved!” They say the opposite. They never got born again, but they profess their wonderful works which they did in the Lord.

23And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

“I never knew you” means that they never accepted Jesus as their personal savior. Then he tells them that they work INIQUITY. If a person is not born again, then they shouldn’t waste their time giving to the poor; they might at well rob a bank, God sees it the same way.

It is more than being born again. Confessing by lips that you believe is not enough if it doens’t follow by your good work dedicate to God by cloth the naked, feed the poor, do not kill (obey all the ten commandment) Both have to go together for God to recognise us that we obey him and of course have to be truly truly believe in Him. Forgive me if I accuse you of missing the point. I hope we both agree on this.

 

[distracted]

So, not everyone that believes in God is going to heaven, only those that do the will of the Father by being born again.

You are adding to Scripture here…

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Look at what the damned say. They don’t say, “Lord, I never did any good works, but I did get saved!” They say the opposite. They never got born again, but they profess their wonderful works which they did in the Lord.

I totally do not understand this… What damned??

… If they are damned, why are they talking about being “saved”?

then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

“I never knew you” means that they never accepted Jesus as their personal savior. Again, you are adding to scripture… adding your own interpretation to Scripture… St. Peter says that no scripture is up for personal interpretation. The church was established to interpret, infallibly, all scrpture.
How do you know this means “they never accepted Jesus as ‘personal savior’”?
That is NOT what the Scripture says… I thought you Bible-only people believed in Scripture as the sole authority? It seems your own interpretation is your authority… and it has to be since there are so many interpretations “out there”… :hypno: uch:

Then he tells them that they work INIQUITY. If a person is not born again, then they shouldn’t waste their time giving to the poor; they might at well rob a bank, God sees it the same way.

really? than what about St. Matthew 25:31-46 where Jesus rejects people because they do not take care of the temporal needs of His brethren (followers)? (in other words, they were selfish with their material goods, etc…)
what about the story of the one who seemed to be “born again”… (in the parable) in St. Matthew 18:23, the one who was TOTALLY forgiven… who had the debt wiped completely away… only to re-incur that heavy debt because he would not forgive his fellow man?

So much for “once saved always saved”.

What about elsewhere in Scripture, when Jesus said that if you don’t forgive, you will not be forgiven? He didn’t say, "But that doesn’t apply if you are born-again… If you are born again, you can refuse to forgive and you will still make it… "

Or is that just another interpretation… Hmmm… :hypno:
And then there is St. Mark 10:17
All these Scriptures (& more) mention WORKS… being necessary to get into Heaven.
Where in Scripture can one find the term: “Accept Christ as personal savior?” much less…
Where is it said that that is all one must do to be saved???
God bless…