Is Jesus Christ and the Roman Catholic Church the only way to salvation?

[peacelight]

peacelight;3591160:

This is accurate.

Thank you.

 

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I have been tempted before by all the negativity not just from the forum but other website too. . Never stop spread the truth. Just remember where there is truth there is God. God bless you too.

Thank you so much… What is really discouraging at the forums, more than negativity… is that some people don’t seem to listen very well… They respond to things that don’t matter so much (to me anyway) & ignore the things that are more importnat… I guess that’s because they don’t have an argument…

or a valid one?? hmmm. Anyway… God bless…

 

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BloodWashed;3591134:

From my understanding Macabees book was removed by the Protestant from their bible (King James). Correct me if I am wrong Fellow Catholic. Catholic no add and no remove anything from the book.

The wway this post is witten, it looks like i said this stuff… but i didn’t… so i am confused as to who said it??

 

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Matt 18:23: "The master calls the servant a wicked servant (“You wicked servant!” Matthew 18:32). The wicked go to hell (Psalm 11:6; 1 Corinthians 6:9; 1 Peter 4:17-18; Revelation 20:11-15).

then i guess you are going to Hell because you are as wicked as anyone else… meaning you are a sinner…

So you have accepted Christ… "Even the demons believe and tremble… " (James 2:12)

Moreover, the master delivered “him to the torturers until he should pay all that was due to him.” This is a picture of hell,

It could be Hell or Purgatory… The passage does not interpret itself so no one really can say absolutely… which is the whole reason we need a Church to interpret Scripture… I am not going to accept your human interpretations… or my own which are just as human…

but in the fact that the man is in no position to ever pay anything back. He’s being tortured!"

who says he can’t pay the debt? Maybe he can, maybe he can’t… but you are in no position to say… and also, all the information i have on Purgatory (from reliable sources) indicates that Purgatory is very painful, particularly in the lower depths… and there are about as many levels of Purgatory as there are souls who go there…

**Sin, whether forgiven or not, causes a terrible deformity of soul that only something like the sacrifice of Jesus Christ could begin to heal… **

When i am in His Presence @ the Blessed Sacrament (esepcially unexposed), i am in Purgatory… (it’s sometimes torture… more so at some times than at other times…)

I don’t see purgatory at all in Rev. 21:27. Revelation is clear: If your name is not in the Book of Life, you go to hell.

“No unclean thing will enter Heaven” does not = Hell… If it did, you would go there because you are not clean… You are a sinner, as all human beings are… No unclean thing will enter Heaven … but God is merciful and allows us Christians time to get cleaned up… (pure).

Matthew 12:32 is the unpardonable sin. It means that if you reject Christ, you’ll be punished in this life, and the next life.

You will not be punished in this life for rejecting Christ (except to a certain extent). The devil rules this world (and its system) and he will reward those who reject Christ… sometimes abundantly.

I dont have a book of Macabees

You can thank Martin Luther for that…

 

[jmcrae]

You can thank Martin Luther for that…

Not really. Martin Luther was going to remove it, but later changed his mind. The Protestants didn’t start removing books from their Bible until the mid-1700s.

 

[jmcrae]

The wway this post is witten, it looks like i said this stuff… but i didn’t… so i am confused as to who said it??

Someone is forgetting to close quotes, and the next person who quotes isn’t observing the fact that the first person forgot to close quotes; that’s why it’s getting all messed up.

 

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Someone is forgetting to close quotes, and the next person who quotes isn’t observing the fact that the first person forgot to close quotes; that’s why it’s getting all messed up.

Thanks for that info… But I have read that Martin Luther was the one who removed the 7 books from the Old Testament (the Apocypha)… I am confused…

 

[peacelight]

peacelight;3591160:

The wway this post is witten, it looks like i said this stuff… but i didn’t… so i am confused as to who said it??

If about Maccabees being removed from the Protestant Bible that was me. I have no idea how Bloodwashed became the poster. and post by distracted became mine.

 

[peacelight]

1 Corinthians 3:13: jesus-is-savior.com/Books…db-chap_02.htm Scroll down to “III. What Will Be the Result of this Judgment?”

Matt 18:23: “The master calls the servant a wicked servant (“You wicked servant!” Matthew 18:32). The wicked go to hell (Psalm 11:6; 1 Corinthians 6:9; 1 Peter 4:17-18; Revelation 20:11-15). Moreover, the master delivered “him to the torturers until he should pay all that was due to him.” This is a picture of hell, not only in the torment (e.g. Revelation 14:11; 20:10), but in the fact that the man is in no position to ever pay anything back. He’s being tortured!”

I don’t see purgatory at all in Rev. 21:27. Revelation is clear: If your name is not in the Book of Life, you go to hell.

Matthew 12:32 is the unpardonable sin. It means that if you reject Christ, you’ll be punished in this life, and the next life.

*I dont have a book of Macabees

Quote above actually by Bloodwashed and not by distracted.

 

[peacelight]

Thanks for that info… But I have read that Martin Luther was the one who removed the 7 books from the Old Testament (the Apocypha)… I am confused…

Maccabees is one of these 7 book.

The books missing from Protestant Bibles are: Tobit, Judith, Baruch, Wisdom, Sirach, 1 and 2 Maccabees, and parts of Esther and Daniel.

Martin Luther, without any authority whatsoever, removed those seven books and placed them in an appendix during the reformation. They remained in the appendix of Protestant Bibles until about 1826, and then they were removed altogether.

 

[Jesuspaiditall]

Thanks for that info… But I have read that Martin Luther was the one who removed the 7 books from the Old Testament (the Apocypha)… I am confused…

The Roman Catholic church rejected some the apocrypha. It’s hypocritical.

 

[jmcrae]

If about Maccabees being removed from the Protestant Bible that was me. I have no idea how Bloodwashed became the poster. and post by distracted became mine.

I do, and you’re doing it again. Please watch your quotes, take out anything that doesn’t belong, and make sure every open quote has a close quote. That way, the quote will be attributed to the person who actually said it; not to the person who replied to him.

 

[Mike154]

Yes, all salvation comes from Jesus Christ. God can choose to save people in other ways, but that is up to Him and not for us to decide.

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[peary]

The Roman Catholic church rejected some the apocrypha. It’s hypocritical.

And what apocryhal books would these be, by the way??

 

[peacelight]

I do, and you’re doing it again. Please watch your quotes, take out anything that doesn’t belong, and make sure every open quote has a close quote. That way, the quote will be attributed to the person who actually said it; not to the person who replied to him.

I am sorry I did not mean to messed this thread up.

 

[Jesuspaiditall]

And what apocryhal books would these be, by the way??

I and II Esdras and the Prayer of Manasseh.
Also, Josephus excluded them from his list.

 

[peary]

I and II Esdras and the Prayer of Manasseh.
Also, Josephus excluded them from his list.

They are in my Catholic Bible, so I do not know to what you are referring to.

 

[peacelight]

Let me rephrase what Jimmy’s trying to say.

Catholicism ROCKS like a hurricane… only without the destruction… or something. Ok maybe somebody else can come up with something better.

I posted this one before but aah I post it again :-

Catholic

It means ‘Universal’, which in itself means, 'of or relating to, or affecting
the entire world and all peoples therein’. It means, all encompassing,
comprehensibly broad, general, and containing all that is necessary.
***In summation, it means all **people in allplaces, having all ****that is ***
***necessary, and for **all *time.

But is it Biblical?

A. Yes it is. It is in Matthew 28:19-20, "Go, therefore and make disciples
***of all **nations…teaching them to observe all *that I have commanded you;
***And behold, I am with you ***all days, even unto the consummation of
***the world." ***
That is a statement of Universality, Katholicos, Catholicus, Catholic.

 

[peary]

I posted this one before but aah I post it again :-

Catholic

It means ‘Universal’, which in itself means, 'of or relating to, or affecting
the entire world and all peoples therein’. It means, all encompassing,
comprehensibly broad, general, and containing all that is necessary.
***In summation, it means all ***people in allplaces, having all ***that is ***
***necessary, and for ***all time.

But is it Biblical?

A. Yes it is. It is in Matthew 28:19-20, "Go, therefore and make disciples
***of all ***nations…teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you;
***And behold, I am with you ***all days, even unto the consummation of
***the world." ***
That is a statement of Universality, Katholicos, Catholicus, Catholic.

True, but also remember that ‘Catholic’ is only one of four marks of the true Church. You cannot take it out of that context. The Church must be One; the Church must be Holy; the Church must be Catholic (universal); and the Church must be apostolic with succession. Any other use of the term outside of this reference is inaccurate.

 

[peacelight]

True, but also remember that ‘Catholic’ is only one of four marks of the true Church. You cannot take it out of that context. The Church must be One; the Church must be Holy; the Church must be Catholic (universal); and the Church must be apostolic with succession. Any other use of the term outside of this reference is inaccurate.

You are right. The Church must be One; the Church must be Holy; the Church must be Catholic (universal); and the Church must be apostolic with succession.

Thank you for the reminder.