Is Jesus Christ and the Roman Catholic Church the only way to salvation?

[submittedjoy]

Why do you not attend a Sabbatarian church (such as Seventh Day Adventist, etc.)?

Because I am not Seventh Day Advantist. I don’t agree with a lot of Seven Day Advantist other beliefs.

I believe in honoring and obeying my husband and reverencing him. I’ve expressed my concerns to him about the issue. I have also expressed my concerns to my pastor (which is also my husband’s Uncle) I then leave it up to God. God knows where my heart is.

 

[submittedjoy]

Alright, I’ll buy that.

There’s more than one church out there that worship on Saturday, though you may have a problem with other practices, I have no idea. But I sincerely appreciate your honest response.

Thank you. Honesty is the best policy!

 

[submittedjoy]

Well, you could attend Catholic mass daily if you wished.

I could I suppose but my private time with the Lord will have to suffice between services.

 

[submittedjoy]

The only problem with this… is as he has already stated, most protestants worship on Sunday (and by extension, do not keep the 7th day Sabbath holy)… Which is itself not able to be proved by scripture. If it is able to be proved without personal interpretation or other sources than the Bible, I’d love to see it.

So apparently, most Protestant church’s are in defiance of Scripture.

On the other hand, as a Catholic, it can easily be shown from the Catechism right here: scborromeo.org/ccc/p2s1c2a1.htm#1166

Personally… I’ve never understood why the protestant churches do not honor the Sabbath more. I’ve always wondered that. The Bible is Clear about the 7th day being the Sabbath… Now which day was originally the 7th day I don’t know but according to our calendar it is Saturday. I’ve asked different Pastors what the deal about Sunday is… they say it’s because of the Resurrection and because Sunday is the “Lord’s day” but I still don’t get what that has to do with Saturday still being the Sabbath.

 

[KJK80]

Personally… I’ve never understood why the protestant churches do not honor the Sabbath more. I’ve always wondered that. The Bible is Clear about the 7th day being the Sabbath… Now which day was originally the 7th day I don’t know but according to our calendar it is Saturday. I’ve asked different Pastors what the deal about Sunday is… they say it’s because of the Resurrection and because Sunday is the “Lord’s day” but I still don’t get what that has to do with Saturday still being the Sabbath.

Saturday IS still the Sabbath–always will be. Catholic’s observe the eighth day…

Per the CCC

2171 God entrusted the sabbath to Israel to keep as a sign of the irrevocable covenant.95 The sabbath is for the Lord, holy and set apart for the praise of God, his work of creation, and his saving actions on behalf of Israel.

2172 God’s action is the model for human action. If God “rested and was refreshed” on the seventh day, man too ought to “rest” and should let others, especially the poor, "be refreshed."96 The sabbath brings everyday work to a halt and provides a respite. It is a day of protest against the servitude of work and the worship of money.97

2173 The Gospel reports many incidents when Jesus was accused of violating the sabbath law. But Jesus never fails to respect the holiness of this day.98 He gives this law its authentic and authoritative interpretation: "The sabbath was made for man, not man for the sabbath."99 With compassion, Christ declares the sabbath for doing good rather than harm, for saving life rather than killing.100 The sabbath is the day of the Lord of mercies and a day to honor God.101 "The Son of Man is lord even of the sabbath."102

II. THE LORD’S DAY

This is the day which the LORD has made; let us rejoice and be glad in it.103

The day of the Resurrection: the new creation

2174 Jesus rose from the dead "on the first day of the week."104 Because it is the “first day,” the day of Christ’s Resurrection recalls the first creation. Because it is the “eighth day” following the sabbath,105 it symbolizes the new creation ushered in by Christ’s Resurrection. For Christians it has become the first of all days, the first of all feasts, the Lord’s Day (he kuriake hemera, dies dominica) Sunday:

We all gather on the day of the sun, for it is the first day [after the Jewish sabbath, but also the first day] when God, separating matter from darkness, made the world; and on this same day Jesus Christ our Savior rose from the dead.106

Now, Biblically, without Holy Tradition… non-Catholic’s, based on the literal interpretation of the Bible have zero reason to worship on Sunday, per sola scriptura.

Therefore, by worshipping on Sunday, are in fact submitting to the authority of the Catholic church, whether they want to or not.

Of course, if you worship on the seventh-day Sabbath, you are in fact (at least in part) not recognizing the 2nd covenant replacing the first–additionally, HOW to keep the Sabbath is almost entirely up to personal interpretation unless you follow all 600+ of the old covenant Mosaic laws…

Therefore, if you worship on Sunday, to do so at its fullest, you must be Catholic… If you worship on Sabbath, to do so at its fullest you must be Jewish.

Which consequently, is why I am Catholic and not Seventh-day Adventist.

It’s really quite simple once you look at things objectively.

 

[submittedjoy]

Good point. Our primary day of worship is Sunday because the Apostles passed that down to us as an oral tradition. There is nothing specific in Scripture that actually switches the day to Sunday, as we see from Submittedjoy’s contributions to this thread.

Thank you… forgive me if my contributions were out-of-order or interupting.

 

[guanophore]

What are the doctrines of a true church?

Those that belong to the Divine Deposit of Faith:

Matt 28:18-20
“All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. 19 Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20 teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, to the close of the age.”

A true church is one that has the Authority of Christ, and teaches all that He has commanded, one that has a triune baptism and makes disciples of all nations, and one with whom He resides to the end of the age. ****

 

[distracted]

Based on the results of this poll, I’m glad that Truth is not determined by public opinion.

Actually, the poll was not representative of public opinion. I tended to say Yes but Yes is inaccurate since the Church teaches non-Catholics can be saved…

Yet it also teaches that all salvation comes through the Church, even when only remotely or indirectly so…

 

[Harold_Lance]

What are the doctrines of a true church?

Christians the body of Christ serving each other, and supporting the sending of the message of Jesus Christ to all humans.

For The Lord

Are looking for something in particular?

 

[justinthemartyr]

Christians the body of Christ serving each other, and supporting the sending of the message of Jesus Christ to all humans.

For The Lord

Are looking for something in particular?

Read the catechism and you will know the doctrine of the apostles who were the bishops of the first and only church Christ built upon kephas(rock, peter)

 

[Harold_Lance]

There is only one Church of Jesus Christ. I have read the book of Acts, and feel this is enough.

But let us add a little meat to the table. Read Romans 14, now there are many different types of Christians. If you prefer veggies then so be it, but I may prefer meat. Rather than disagree, let’s stand together to spread the word of Christ.

FTL

 

[spbonner]

In *Lumen Gentium *the council fathers teach us that “the church, a pilgrim now on earth, is necessary for salvation” and that “they could not be saved who, knowing that the Catholic Church was founded as necessary by God through Christ, would refuse either to enter it, or to remain in it” (LG 14). But what of those who do not know this? Are they to be left out of the kingdom of God? In 1965 in his book *What it Means to Be a Christian * then Father Joseph Ratzinger tells us “everything we believe about God, and everything we know about man, prevents us from accepting that beyond the limits of the Church there is no more salvation” (Ratzinger 45).

 

[Jimmy_B]

Read the catechism and you will know the doctrine of the apostles who were the bishops of the first and only church Christ built upon kephas(rock, peter)

. Catechism of the Catholic Church

The Bible (NAB)

 

[sapamarogi]

The answer is no. Through JESUS CHRIST period is the only way to be saved. The church is the believers who have received Him as their saviour - not a specific church. The believers in Jesus time were those who believe He was the Christ - the Son of God and who received Him as their saviour - not a specific church. Churches are man made. Believers in Jesus are the church not a denomination.

Jesus said I am the Way the Truth and the Life, no one comes to The Father but by ME. He did not say through ME and the Catholic church.

 

[mikew262]

There is only one Church of Jesus Christ. I have read the book of Acts, and feel this is enough.

But let us add a little meat to the table. Read Romans 14, now there are many different types of Christians. If you prefer veggies then so be it, but I may prefer meat. Rather than disagree, let’s stand together to spread the word of Christ.

FTL

Good advice! Bickering about who makes the “better” Christian among the various denominations is pointless IMO.

 

[Jimmy_B]

The answer is no. Through JESUS CHRIST period is the only way to be saved. The church is the believers who have received Him as their saviour - not a specific church. The believers in Jesus time were those who believe He was the Christ - the Son of God and who received Him as their saviour - not a specific church. Churches are man made. Believers in Jesus are the church not a denomination.

Jesus said I am the Way the Truth and the Life, no one comes to The Father but by ME. He did not say through ME and the Catholic church.

Hello sapamarogi,

Most of what you posted here is what Catholics believe, except the portions addressing the “Church” and “man made”.

I have two questions -

1. Do you believe that Baptism is required to become a Christian.
2. In the context of Christianiy, what does “believe” mean to you?

Peace

 

[sapamarogi]

Hello sapamarogi,

Most of what you posted here is what Catholics believe, except the portions addressing the “Church” and “man made”.

I have two questions -

1. Do you believe that Baptism is required to become a Christian.
2. In the context of Christianiy, what does “believe” mean to you?

Peace

Baptism is a sign of what has already occured in you. You have received Jesus Christ into your heart as your Saviour and Lord and have been born again - born anew of God - you are a new creature, old things have passed away. So you are baptised after you receive Jesus (not as a baby). As you go under the water that is your death to the old life and as you come up out of the water - that is the new man born anew - born of God. That is what believing is. Understanding what Jesus did for you on the cross - He Paid it All - now you believe who HE is and what He has done for your personally and receive HIM.

 

[mikew262]

Baptism is a sign of what has already occured in you. You have received Jesus Christ into your heart as your Saviour and Lord and have been born again - born anew of God - you are a new creature, old things have passed away. So you are baptised after you receive Jesus (not as a baby). As you go under the water that is your death to the old life and as you come up out of the water - that is the new man born anew - born of God. That is what believing is. Understanding what Jesus did for you on the cross - He Paid it All - now you believe who HE is and what He has done for your personally and receive HIM.

Congrats! You are closer to being a Catholic than you know.

 

[justasking4]

Jimmy B;3491457]Hello sapamarogi,

Most of what you posted here is what Catholics believe, except the portions addressing the “Church” and “man made”.

I have two questions -

1. Do you believe that Baptism is required to become a Christian.

In the scriptures what must come before a person is to be baptized?

 

[guanophore]

Baptism is a sign of what has already occured in you. You have received Jesus Christ into your heart as your Saviour and Lord

Where is this in the Bible?

Where is baptism said to be a “sign”? Where does it say your receive jesus into your heart?

and have been born again - born anew of God - you are a new creature, old things have passed away. So you are baptised after you receive Jesus (not as a baby). As you go under the water that is your death to the old life and as you come up out of the water - that is the new man born anew - born of God. That is what believing is. Understanding what Jesus did for you on the cross - He Paid it All - now you believe who HE is and what He has done for your personally and receive HIM.

Where does it say in the Bible we are not allowed to baptize babies?