Is Jesus Christ and the Roman Catholic Church the only way to salvation?

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Hi KJK80, the quote that you are commenting on here - "in common everyday language Catholicism…" is actually a quote from** mikew262** here at post # 763 not from peary. Mike appears you be linking his quotes to peary. This is not peary’s quote.

Peace 🙂
Ahh oops, no wonder I got confused. Thanks !! 🙂 SORRY PEARY! 🙂 Same goes for Mike then, oops!

And… fixed.
 
Ahh oops, no wonder I got confused. Thanks !! 🙂 SORRY PEARY! 🙂 Same goes for Mike then, oops!
I’m sorry, I deleted my last post…it might have been peary…I think…these quotes here and who they belong to, are getting all messed up…so double check…

Peace 🙂
 
guanophore;3501761]
Originally Posted by justasking4
You said a mouthful here. Since you claim the catholic church is not a “Church of a Book” but is based Jesus Christ then i don’t know what you mean by this. The only teachings we have of Jesus Christ can only be found in the New Testament which it appears you reject as an authority over your church. If this is true, what Jesus are you speaking of since there are no teachings of Christ outside the NT?
guanophore;
Nothing exists FOR YOU, ja4, because you have rejected the divine deposit of faith that you cannot find in your book. However, Christianity was never intended to be a “religion of the book”. Jesus founded a Church, not a book. He built His church upon the foundation of the Apostles and Prophets, not upon a book.
It is you who have rejected Christ and His word by claiming somekind of foundation that is divorced from the Sacred Inspired Inerrant Word of God. You can claim your church is based on the Christ all you want but it is not on the foundation of the apostles and prophets with Christ being the cornerstone. Your church is not the church of the NT…
 
It is you who have rejected Christ and His word by claiming somekind of foundation that is divorced from the Sacred Inspired Inerrant Word of God. You can claim your church is based on the Christ all you want but it is not on the foundation of the apostles and prophets with Christ being the cornerstone. Your church is not the church of the NT…
Wow! Go ahead and say what you mean–seriously!

I don’t think even I doomed any Catholic’s faith. Sheew, you got guts, dude!
 
It is you who have rejected Christ and His word by claiming somekind of foundation that is divorced from the Sacred Inspired Inerrant Word of God.
When you say, “Word”, are you speaking of Jesus’ *written *word only? Do you think the Church founded by Jesus Christ was based on the written word?
 
Lampo;3502557]When you say, “Word”, are you speaking of Jesus’ *written *word only?
Primarily the Gospels with the letters in a somewhat secondary position for discussion purposes.
Do you think the Church founded by Jesus Christ was based on the written word?
Oral and written.
 
It is you who have rejected Christ and His word by claiming somekind of foundation that is divorced from the Sacred Inspired Inerrant Word of God. You can claim your church is based on the Christ all you want but it is not on the foundation of the apostles and prophets with Christ being the cornerstone. Your church is not the church of the NT…
And the heresy continues.

The Sacred Inspired Inerrant Word of God came from the Catholic Church. It is you who is spreading the calumny about Christ’s Church. And you will have to answer for it some day.
 
It is you who have rejected Christ and His word by claiming somekind of foundation that is divorced from the Sacred Inspired Inerrant Word of God. You can claim your church is based on the Christ all you want but it is not on the foundation of the apostles and prophets with Christ being the cornerstone. Your church is not the church of the NT…
No, ja4, this divorce is one of YOUR making, not of Catholics. Catholics recognize that the two were to be together until the end of the age. The Church is built on the foundation of the Apostles and prophets, not the book. The book reflects that foundation, but the Church is the pillar and foundation of the Truth. The Church produced the Sacred writings.

I agree that the Great Tree we see now can hardly be seen in the mustard seed that is in the NT, but then, that is what Jesus said would happen.
Wow! Go ahead and say what you mean–seriously!

I don’t think even I doomed any Catholic’s faith. Sheew, you got guts, dude!
Don’t be too hard on ja4, he was deeply wounded by Catholics, and has been taught a lot of bigoted and prejudiced ideas on top of the wounds. :highprayer:
 
“while maybe not technically correct”

I agree but only on this point (in blue).

Why do you keep linking your quotes to peary as if they are peary’s quotes? Is this intentional or accidental?

Peace 🙂
Because I was answering Peary’s objection to Catholicism being considered a denomination.
 
I have a hard time grasping how you find this acceptable… During my growing up, “in common everyday language Catholicism” was not even considered Christian. How far can we go with generalizations before you no longer find it acceptable?

I’m honestly not pointing you out here… however I think lots of Catholic’s feel this way these days, and it confuses me a bit.

Also, in case you haven’t noticed, I’m extremely proud to be a Catholic, and am still very ecumenical to my entire family (which is anti-Catholic), however, I will not water down my beliefs to fit in with how other’s see things. I don’t understand why anybody would want to. But maybe I’m just strange.
Newsflash, there are still a lot of folks who don’t consider Catholics, Christians, which of course is ludicrous.

I don’t see calling Catholicism a denomination of Christianity, “watering down” my beliefs. To me, and most other folks I believe, Catholicism is a branch, the major branch of Christianity. IMO, being a Christian is the major key here, not what branch you belong too.

No, you are not strange. You are proud of your beliefs and there is nothing wrong with that.
 
guanophore;3503028]No, ja4, this divorce is one of YOUR making, not of Catholics. Catholics recognize that the two were to be together until the end of the age. The Church is built on the foundation of the Apostles and prophets, not the book.
I agree. Since there are no longer any Apostles or prophets on what is the church functioning on?
The book reflects that foundation, but the Church is the pillar and foundation of the Truth.
How is the church the foundation and pillar of the Truth when it is responsible for so much evil?
The Church produced the Sacred writings.
Are you saying that the church also produced the OT?
I agree that the Great Tree we see now can hardly be seen in the mustard seed that is in the NT, but then, that is what Jesus said would happen.
What is Jesus referring to here? Is He speaking of the church or something else?
Don’t be too hard on ja4, he was deeply wounded by Catholics, and has been taught a lot of bigoted and prejudiced ideas on top of the wounds. :highprayer:
Thank you for being sensitive to my wounds…🤷 :bowdown2: :ouch:
 
sodak;3502963]And the heresy continues.
How true…
The Sacred Inspired Inerrant Word of God came from the Catholic Church.
This is not true. Did the OT Scriptures come from the catholic church?
It is you who is spreading the calumny about Christ’s Church. And you will have to answer for it some day.
Not so. I have the Scriptures and historical facts on my side…👍
 
This is not true. Did the OT Scriptures come from the catholic church?
Let’s say you buy a Ford F-150 pickup truck from your local dealer whose name is “Moses Ford.” Someone notices your new truck and asks where you got it. Would you say, “From Dearborn, Michigan”?

The Old Testament was before the Catholic Church.
 
Let’s say you buy a Ford F-150 pickup truck from your local dealer whose name is “Moses Ford.” Someone notices your new truck and asks where you got it. Would you say, “From Dearborn, Michigan”?

The Old Testament was before the Catholic Church.
So we agree that the church is not totally responisble or the source of the entire Scriptures?
 
So we agree that the church is not totally responisble or the source of the entire Scriptures?
Originally Posted by Lampo View Post
Let’s say you buy a Ford F-150 pickup truck from your local dealer whose name is “Moses Ford.” Someone notices your new truck and asks where you got it. Would you say, “From Dearborn, Michigan”?
The Old Testament was before the Catholic Church.
So we agree that the church is not totally responisble or the source of the entire Scriptures?
I’m glad you see that it is correct to say, “The Sacred Inspired Inerrant Word of God came from the Catholic Church.”
 
How is the church the foundation and pillar of the Truth when it is responsible for so much evil?
Because God tells us so, right in the Bible, as a matter of fact.
Not so. I have the Scriptures and historical facts on my side.
No, you don’t. You completely disregard the parts of the Bible that don’t fit into your heretical views. For proof, see the above comment to the first quote.

You’ve been spreading calumny on this forum very maliciously, and I’m doing everything that I can to get you banned. Trust me on that one.
 
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