Is Jesus Christ and the Roman Catholic Church the only way to salvation?

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FOUR MARKS OF THE TRUE CHURCH that we were talking about for those who doesn’t know :- for a closer look go to the link below

catholic.com/library/pillar.asp

**The Church Is One (Rom. 12:5, 1 Cor. 10:17, 12:13, CCC 813–822) **

**The Church Is Holy (Eph. 5:25–27, Rev. 19:7–8, CCC 823–829) **

**The Church Is Catholic (Matt. 28:19–20, Rev. 5:9–10, CCC 830–856) **

**The Church Is Apostolic (Eph. 2:19–20, CCC 857–865) **
 
I think this quote from another thread is pertinent here.
Originally Posted by roguejim View Post
The Council of Florence (A.D. 1438-1445) From Cantate Domino — Papal Bull of Pope Eugene IV
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“…It firmly believes, professes, and proclaims that those not living within the Catholic Church, not only pagans, but also Jews and heretics and schismatics cannot become participants in eternal life, but will depart “into everlasting fire which was prepared for the devil and his angels” [Matt. 25:41], unless before the end of life the same have been added to the flock; and that the unity of the ecclesiastical body is so strong that only to those remaining in it are the sacraments of the Church of benefit for salvation, and do fastings, almsgiving, and other functions of piety and exercises of Christian service produce eternal reward, and that no one, whatever almsgiving he has practiced, even if he has shed blood for the name of Christ, can be saved, unless he has remained in the bosom and unity of the Catholic Church.”
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“The Church is One, Holy, Catholic, Apostolic, and Roman: unique, the Chair founded on Peter. Outside her fold is to be found neither the true fold nor eternal salvation, for it is impossible to have God for a Father if one does not have the Church for a Mother.”
VEN POPE PIUS IX
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“There is only one universal church of the faithful, outside which there is absolutely no salvation.”
IV Lateran Council
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“It is a sin to believe there is salvation outside the Catholic Church!”
VEN POPE PIUS IX
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“There is no salvation outside the Catholic Church. Anyone who resists this truth perishes.”
ST LOUIS MARIE DE MONTFORT
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“It must be held as a matter of faith that outside the Apostolic Roman Church no one can be saved, that the Church is the only
Ark of Salvation, and that whoever does not enter it will perish in the flood.”
VEN POPE PIUS IX
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“There is no entering into salvation outside of the Church, just as in the time of the Deluge there was none outside the Ark which denotes the Church.”
POPE JOHN PAUL II
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“I profess that outside the Catholic Church no one is saved.”
POPE SYLVESTER II
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“It is impossible to be joined to God except through Jesus Christ; it is impossilbe to be united to Christ except in and through the Church; finally, it is impossible to belong to the Church except through the bishops who are united to the Supreme Pastor, the successor of Peter.”
POPE JOHN XXIII
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“The Catholic Church alone is the Body of Christ, of which He is Head and Savior. The “People of God” and the “Mystical Body of Christ” are one and the same thing, both of them designating the Church. Membership in the Church requires conditions other than Baptism alone; it requires identical faith and unity of communion, so that by means of the Catholic Church alone, which is the unrestricted instrument of salvation, is it possible to obtain the fulness of the means to salvation. Indeed, the Church is both a sure and an exclusive means of attaining salvation. We must always remember the unity of the Mystical Body outside which there is no salvation, for there is no entering into salvation outside the Church. Outside this Body, the Holy Spirit gives life to no one: those who are enemies to unity do not participate in the charity of Divine Life; those outside the Church do not possess the Holy Spirit. The entrance to salvation is open to no one outside the Church!”
POPE PAUL VI
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First point: Authority.
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Internet posters have no authority, which is why I like to quote popes, saints, and councils. Therein, lies Catholic authority. If it’s just opinions you are looking for, there will be many. But, are they authoritative and true?
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Second point: Context.
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There will be many people here posing as Catholics, who will try and ecumenize these quotes to make them less offensive to you. They will say that I have pulled these quotes out of context. Eternal truth, such as is represented by these quotes, like mathematical truth, has no context. What is the context of 2+2=4? Of course, there is no context. It is true on its very face.
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St. Ignatius of Antioch was the third bishop of Antioch. He succeeded St. Evodius, who was the immediate successor of St. Peter. St. Ignatius was a hearer of the Apostle John. He journeyed from Antioch to Rome, where he was martyred. He wrote seven letters on his journey. The letters were addressed to the Christian communities of Ephesus, Magnesia, Tralles, Rome, Philadelphia and Smyrna and a personal one to Bishop Polycarp of Smyrna. He weighs in on whether outside the one true Church of Christ there is salvation. Here is what St. Ignatius of Antioch says:
Those, indeed, who belong to God and to Jesus Christ - they are with the bishop. And those who repent and come to the unity of the Church - they too shall be of God, and will be living according to Jesus Christ. Do not err, my brethren: if anyone follow a schismatic, he will not inherit the Kingdom of God. If any man walk about with strange doctrine, he cannot lie down with the passion. Take care, then, to use one Eucharist, so that whatever you do, you do according to God: for there is one Flesh of our Lord Jesus Christ, and one cup in the union of His Blood; one altar, as there is one bishop with the presbytery and my fellow servants, the deacons.
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"The Church is One, Holy, Catholic, Apostolic, and Roman and I left Roman on my previous post. You are right Lampo on Authority and Context. You see many of us including myself got sucked up by internet poster. Many Catholic website outthere and most of the time it is their own opinion and I am sure they mean well but we need to be very careful not to lead people into astray and for the real truth to be known we need to Quote from the right source and from the original authority such as Popes, Saints and Council as Lampo mentioned. Thank you so much in shedding some very important light on me today. 🙂
 
Jesuspaiditall said:
The Roman Catholic church rejected some the apocrypha. It’s hypocritical.
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Why do you make such a claim and then not give citations to back it up???

Maybe M. Luther only thought of taking them out but Protestants after him DID take the 7 apocryphal books out… All i know is that it is a serious offense to take away from the Word of God… and the Scriptures either ARE the Word of God (in their entirety) or they are NOT…

I know that they ARE…
 
peacelight said:
Martin Luther, without any authority whatsoever, removed those seven books and placed them in an appendix during the reformation. They remained in the appendix of Protestant Bibles until about 1826, and then they were removed altogether.
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So i was right… more or less… It was because of M. Luther’s actions that these books were disputed and then removed…

thanks… the books i have read didn’t go into that particular detail…
 
distracted said:
You make it look like i wrote this when i didn’t.

Put after…
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I am sorry distracted but I don’t know what you were talking about. I think I did clarify that one time about Macabbess being removed from P Bible. That is my post but somewhere somehow it said it was you.
 
And another one is supposed to be Originally Posted by Bloodwashed and look like it is by you but it is not by you. I apologised.
 
peacelight said:
I am sorry distracted but I don’t know what you were talking about. I think I did clarify that one time about Macabbess being removed from P Bible. That is my post but somewhere somehow it said it was you.
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Now i am even more confused :confused: !! I thought it was someone other than you who did that… :hypno:

One problem is that i am usually in a hurrry when i read these posts… today in particular…

Anyway, i just wanted to clear up any further confusion by clarifying what i said & didn’t…

God bless… Have a good one… 🙂
 
distracted said:
Now i am even more confused :confused: !! I thought it was someone other than you who did that… :hypno:

One problem is that i am usually in a hurrry when i read these posts… today in particular…

Anyway, i just wanted to clear up any further confusion by clarifying what i said & didn’t…

God bless… Have a good one… 🙂
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That is okay everybody make mistake. I hate myself sometime when I did something like that. 🙂
 
Hey there distracted,🙂

THIS IS ONLY CLARIFICATION ABOUT WRONG QUOTE BY WRONG PERSON YESTERDAY

I think it is all started from post about Purgatory see page 234 # 1166 when Bloodwashed reply to your (distracted) quote on Purgatory – see page 235 # 1173

and then I came along Quoting what BloodWashed said and ended become your (distracted) Quote which it was not originally by you (distracted) and I did not Quote the right Quote - page 235 # 1174 - original post by Bloodwashed and not you ( distracted )

page 235 # 1175 – original post by me peacelight and not Bloodwashed

page 236 #1178 - original post by me peacelight and not Bloodwashed

page 237 #1184 - clarification that I made – see the sentence in RED

I hope I did not make you even more confuse. I just want to clarify things.🙂
 
If you look at the articles of the Catholic faith they clearly state that being Catholic is not the only way to achieve salvaton. A pagan who has lived a good life and done good things toward his fellow man can find salvation. People of different faiths and religions can find salvation through similar contributions and good heartedness. The Catholic faith is a gift that is breathed into us by the Holy Spirit and it is only by him that grace is sustained. Granted, there is tremendous benefit for becoming Catholic in that it gives you the tool kit (sacraments) left by and instituted by Jesus Christ himself as a pillar of flame in the darkness and challenges of the world and with sin. These sacraments are miracles on earth left for our benefit and to live without them in other faiths is to a disadvantage for salvation because they bring Catholics closer to God and purify their faults. There are certainly instances in the bible that reflect the importance give to the “Bread of Life” described by Christ. “If you do not eat the bread of life you will not have life in you”

If you are not Catholic, give it some consideration. The simple receiving of the blessed sacrament (only once) before you die can be enough to give you a straight shot into paradise. Christ will live in your temple.

Thats my soap box.

David;)
 
BiblicalDavid said:
If you look at the articles of the Catholic faith they clearly state that being Catholic is not the only way to achieve salvaton. A pagan who has lived a good life and done good things toward his fellow man can find salvation. People of different faiths and religions can find salvation through similar contributions and good heartedness. The Catholic faith is a gift that is breathed into us by the Holy Spirit and it is only by him that grace is sustained. Granted, there is tremendous benefit for becoming Catholic in that it gives you the tool kit (sacraments) left by and instituted by Jesus Christ himself as a pillar of flame in the darkness and challenges of the world and with sin. These sacraments are miracles on earth left for our benefit and to live without them in other faiths is to a disadvantage for salvation because they bring Catholics closer to God and purify their faults. There are certainly instances in the bible that reflect the importance give to the “Bread of Life” described by Christ. “If you do not eat the bread of life you will not have life in you”

If you are not Catholic, give it some consideration. The simple receiving of the blessed sacrament (only once) before you die can be enough to give you a straight shot into paradise. Christ will live in your temple.

Thats my soap box.

David;)
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I agree, with the qualification that we believe there is only one Church, so that all the saved belong to it. I think it might be more accurate to say that people may not be “visible” Catholics, but all who are saved are necessarily be joined to the Catholic Church, because outside of it, there is no salvation. We may not see the mysterious manner in which they are joined. There is only ONe Body, therefore, everyone who is saved is a member of it. 👍
 
Jesus Christ, Baptism, Repentence,Living by the 10 commandments, saying the Lords Prayer,saying the Jesus Prayer, The rest is Ecclessia which is good and through Our Churches we have a sound base.a strong base:thumbsup:
 
distracted said:
Well, I guess it wasn’t that big a deal… but thanks for trying to explain anyway… I more or less “understand” :rolleyes: :hypno:

I think… 🤷

God bless always…
🙂
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😃 Hehehehe that is me distracted always want to explain things don’t want to get anyone into trouble…God bless you too!.😃
 
We ultimately agree. There is a fundamental thread in all of us, though often unseen, that links us to eachother. The word Catholic means “all things to all people” . Certainly not some, or a few, but all people. Even some pretty dark characters…who by mercy can be saved by repenting and agknowledgement of their sins.

In my mid age I have come to see some of the links of God wanting to leave a pillar of flame for us as a reality. And we are to be a lamp to others who this flame has not been revealed yet. For some mysterious reason I believe. It is not an easy process because there are many stumbling blocks in the world…

I think this larger picture view gives a person of faith the ability to respect people of other situations and denominations

Through the mystical Body of Christ, which is cornerstoned by the Catholic Church… well without carrying on too much, as stated, everyone falls within the circle of the Catholic Church.
 
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