I’ve already covered this in posts #129-132
No, you didn’t “cover” anything. You posted a rebuttal to John, which was then rebutted itself, and instead of admitting that theos meant God, which by the way would make sense since theology means discourse or reasoning or study on God, Theo being God and logos being the “ology” part, just as biology means study on life, bio being the life and logos being the “ology” part. From Wiki.
Theology translates into English the
Greek theologia (θεολογία) (from
theos (θεός) meaning
God and
logos (λόγος) meaning word
Instead of admitting you were wrong you went on to believe your point regardless of all the people who kept pointing out that theos meant God.
I think I did cover it. Especially in post 132 and in the last few lines of post #63.
If you are talking about John 1:1, it doesn’t seem to tie up with the rest of what the Bible says.
Here are some examples:
In the Old Testament there was the sacrificial lamb.
The New Testament equivalent to the sacricial lamb was Jesus.
Now if Jesus is God, the lamb was representing God.
That doesn’t sound right.
Was the original lamb representing God or a trinity? No, it was a sacrifice* to *God.
In Mark 12:29 Jesus says:
… ‘Hear, O Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is one.*
Footnote:
- Or the Lord our God is one Lord.
I suspect that’s why He made this statement - because He knew people would later say the Lord is three in one.
Isa 11:1
A shoot will come up from the stump of Jesse; from his roots a Branch will bear fruit.
Isa 11:2 The Spirit of the Lord will rest on him-- the Spirit of wisdom and of understanding, the Spirit of counsel and of power, the Spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the Lord.
Would He fear the Lord if He* is* the Lord?
God, being perfect can’t overlook our sins or He would no longer be perfect.
Jesus can forgive us so surely he must be somebody else i.e. not God otherwise God is breaking His own rules if Jesus is really God.
2 John 1:7 and 1John 4:2 both tell us
Jesus Christ came in the flesh not God came in the flesh.
God is one thing, Jesus another:
Mat 22:32 I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob?
God is not the God of the dead, but of the living.
Romans 14
9 Christ died and rose again for this very purpose—to be **Lord both of the living and of the dead.
**
1Peter 2:4
As you come to him, the living Stone–rejected by men but chosen by God and precious to him–
NIV
How could God
choose Christ if God is Christ?
Revelation 3
21 I will invite everyone who is victorious to sit with me on my throne, just as I was victorious and sat with my Father on his throne. NLT
Jesus was victorious. If Jesus was God, he could not possibly have failed.
God would have been testing Himself, which would be pointless.
Mat 4:5 Then the Devil took him to Jerusalem, to the highest point of the Temple, 6 and said, "If you are
the Son of God,
jump off! For the Scriptures say, NLT
(He didn’t say, “If you are God…”)
and again:
Matthew 27:40
40 “Look at you now!” they yelled at him. “You said you were going to destroy the Temple and rebuild it in three days. Well then, if you are the Son of God, save yourself and come down from the cross!” NLT
If you are the Son of God, not if you are God.
Sounds a bit risky to say that Jesus is God rather than Son of God:
1 John 5
5 And who can win this battle against the world? Only those who believe that Jesus is the Son of God. NLT
Also if we are to beleive that Jesus is God, why aren’t we told that instead?
If the Son of God is God, why call Him the Son at all?
Why does the phrase “Son of God” appear 47 times in the KJV?
Now…you made a good step in trying to analyze the original Greek in order to help clarify things, but once that failed you just started to outright ignore the arguments posted.
No, I don’t ignore anything, I just concluded we can’t go by John 1:1 as that expert on Greek said. (Post #63)
I am trying to respond to all posts but it takes up a lot of time along with my usual readings and the garden is overgrown, the house is very much in need of tidying etc.
so please be patient. I am trying to respond to them all but it’s like trying to have a conversation with a whole crowd all at once and my eyes get sore as well. There would be no point in me starting this thread if I was going to ignore what was said on it.
I was responding to the easier ones first and then I switched to trying to answer them in order instead.
Now in light of the fact that the Word was God, once you read 1 Cor 8:6 in light of John 1, you realize that it acts as a case for Jesus being God.
1 Cor 8:6
yet for us there is {but} one God, the Father, from whom are all things and we {exist} for Him; and one Lord, Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we {exist} through Him.
NASB
No, I think that tells us that only the Father is God (in green).
Thanks!