Is LifeSiteNews anti-Francis?

[Luke6_37]

Luke6_37:

Why don’t you share one?

Are you blind, I mentioned I wasn’t going to visit that site again.

The tell me your bishop’s name and I’ll do a search on their website for it.

 

[Mark121359]

Meanwhile, this topic is about LSN and the schismatic articles it publishes against Pope Francis.

No more schismatic than these articles from the editorial staff of NcR in support of homosexuality;

Editorial: Time for dialogue on sexual ethics

We say: We call on bishops to continue the work of developing the doctrine of sexuality that began in Vatican II.

www.ncronline.org

NCR endorses call for a new sexual ethic

We wholeheartedly second the invitation by Australian Bishop Geoffrey Robinson for a thorough and honest reexamination of the church’s teaching on sexuality. (See story.) Robinson’s invitation, coming in a paper delivered in Baltimore at a conference sponsored by New Ways Ministry, is a gentle b

www.ncronline.org

Bishop urges change in 'church teaching concerning all sexual relationships'

BALTIMORE -- At the Seventh National Symposium on Catholicism and Homosexuality, retired Australian Bishop Geoffrey Robinson called Friday for "a new study of everything to do with sexuality" -- a kind of study that he predicted "would have a profound influence on church teaching concerning all sexu

www.ncronline.org

 

[Mark121359]

And how about these schismatic articles defying Church teachings on women’s ordination. Again, as Fr. Z rightly names them; Fishwrap (aka National Schismatic Reporter)

Editorial: Fling open door for women

Editorial: Given the growing numbers of aging clergy in the church, Catholics will be witnessing problems celebrating Mass with increasing frequency. Women are standing at the door waiting to take on those roles.

www.ncronline.org

Editorial: Ordination of women would correct an injustice | National Catholic Reporter

NCR on women’s ordination: What took you so long?

NCR Today: I am delighted that National Catholic Reporter has formally endorsed the ordination of women. It's about time.

www.ncronline.org

 

[pnewton]

I mentioned that first one earlier. I saw it how disobedience in something smaller, like following canon law, made it easier to be disobedient in something larger, like when St. John Paul said Catholics were to end the discussion on women’s ordination. Then, it becomes easy to disobey the Church and teach sexual immorality as an “ethic”.

Yes, the support Pope Francis, but is that because of their Catholicity, or because he coincides with them on some issues? If he ordered them to shut down, would they still be loyal? Scott Hahn called this Cafeteria Catholicism by coincidence.

 

[phil19034]

1968 is a long time ago and Bishop Finn was forced to resign in a huge scandal over his handling of pedophile priests - something NCR stridently called for in their reporting. Do you think that might have biased his opinion?

As far as I can tell, NCR is on cordial terms with the current Bishop, who was appointed by Pope Francis in 2015. Nothing but positive press for him.

I also said the Bishop before Bishop Finn.

And regarding the current Bishop, I might be mistaken, but I’m pretty sure the current Bishop did NOT add the National “Catholic” Reporter to the Catholic Directory for his Diocese.

 

[Luke6_37]

Luke6_37:

1968 is a long time ago and Bishop Finn was forced to resign in a huge scandal over his handling of pedophile priests - something NCR stridently called for in their reporting. Do you think that might have biased his opinion?

As far as I can tell, NCR is on cordial terms with the current Bishop, who was appointed by Pope Francis in 2015. Nothing but positive press for him.

I also said the Bishop before Bishop Finn.

And regarding the current Bishop, I might be mistaken, but I’m pretty sure the current Bishop did NOT add the National “Catholic” Reporter to the Catholic Directory for his Diocese.

You realize you’re just proving my point when I say that LSN & EWTN promoting an agenda that is MORE schismatic than National Catholic Reporter is the real problem.

Funny how nobody wants to address the real elephant in the room.

 

[Mark121359]

Some more beauties from Fishwrap;

The Catholic church should partner with Planned Parenthood to reduce abortions

NCR Today: After 40 years of fruitless battles, Planned Parenthood and Catholic church leaders need to pledge to do at least one common project that puts women and babies first.

www.ncronline.org

'Laudato Si'' should have lifted the ban on contraception

Grace on the Margins: Few people who are as concerned about ecological destruction as Francis is would deny that overpopulation is one of greatest threats to the earth's survival.

www.ncronline.org

 

[Luke6_37]

Some more beauties from Fishwrap;

The Catholic church should partner with Planned Parenthood to reduce abortions | National Catholic Reporter

'Laudato Si'' should have lifted the ban on contraception | National Catholic Reporter

and to you too…

Is LifeSiteNews anti-Francis? Catholic News

I also said the Bishop before Bishop Finn. And regarding the current Bishop, I might be mistaken, but I’m pretty sure the current Bishop did NOT add the National “Catholic” Reporter to the Catholic Directory for his Diocese. You realize you’re just proving my point when I say that LSN & EWTN promoting an agenda that is MORE schismatic than National Catholic Reporter is the real problem. Funny how nobody wants to address the real elephant in the room.

 

[Luke6_37]

I mentioned that first one earlier. I saw it how disobedience in something smaller, like following canon law, made it easier to be disobedient in something larger, like when St. John Paul said Catholics were to end the discussion on women’s ordination. Then, it becomes easy to disobey the Church and teach sexual immorality as an “ethic”.

Yes, the support Pope Francis, but is that because of their Catholicity, or because he coincides with them on some issues? If he ordered them to shut down, would they still be loyal? Scott Hahn called this Cafeteria Catholicism by coincidence.

Since midwestguy wouldn’t answer my question, perhaps you will…

Is LifeSiteNews anti-Francis? Catholic News

NCR was asked to remove the name Catholic by the Bishop. Tells me all I need to know. Well, that’s one criteria. What does it tell you when a media outlet that doesn’t used the word “Catholic” in its name openly advocates against the Pope? What should you think of them? Why is Raymond Arroyo giving this man a platform to promote his anti-Pope Francis book? Why is LIfeSiteNews amplifying the message? https://www.data.lifesitenews.com/news/orthodox-catholic-author-warns-on-ewtn-pope-franci…

 

[phil19034]

phil19034:

Luke6_37:

1968 is a long time ago and Bishop Finn was forced to resign in a huge scandal over his handling of pedophile priests - something NCR stridently called for in their reporting. Do you think that might have biased his opinion?

As far as I can tell, NCR is on cordial terms with the current Bishop, who was appointed by Pope Francis in 2015. Nothing but positive press for him.

I also said the Bishop before Bishop Finn.

And regarding the current Bishop, I might be mistaken, but I’m pretty sure the current Bishop did NOT add the National “Catholic” Reporter to the Catholic Directory for his Diocese.

You realize you’re just proving my point when I say that LSN & EWTN promoting an agenda that is MORE schismatic than National Catholic Reporter is the real problem.

Funny how nobody wants to address the real elephant in the room.

I’m sorry, but how do you figure that? EWTN has NEVER promoted schism and is totally against schism. And while I don’t know LSN as well, I’m not aware of them ever promoting schism either.

Again, EWTN (I’m not going to discuss LSN further) does NOT promote schismatic positions. Only positions that are in line with 2000 years worth of Church teachings. EWTN promotes positions that are in line with St. Pope John Paul II, BXVI, and even Paul VI.

What EWTN does not promote is unorthodox positions promoted by select Catholics, regardless of their position and/or relationship with the Pope. And some EWTN programs (like the World Over) do sometimes criticize some pastoral decisions of the Vatican, just like Mother Angelica sometimes criticized unorthodox pastoral decisions from some US bishops & when the Archdiocese of Denver had a woman play Jesus Christ in front of Pope John Paul II.

NCR, on the other hand promotes straight forward heresy.

BOTH are allowed to criticize pastoral decisions - the NCR did it the whole time John Paul II and Benedict were popes, and has surely criticized Paul VI regarding birth control.

But what they are NOT allowed to do is promote heresy and promote schism. EWTN does neither, while NCR promote some heresy.

God Bless.

 

[Luke6_37]

Luke6_37:

1968 is a long time ago and Bishop Finn was forced to resign in a huge scandal over his handling of pedophile priests - something NCR stridently called for in their reporting. Do you think that might have biased his opinion?

As far as I can tell, NCR is on cordial terms with the current Bishop, who was appointed by Pope Francis in 2015. Nothing but positive press for him.

I also said the Bishop before Bishop Finn.

And regarding the current Bishop, I might be mistaken, but I’m pretty sure the current Bishop did NOT add the National “Catholic” Reporter to the Catholic Directory for his Diocese.

As for what triggered the first Bishop to condemn NCR, here are the details I could find. If you have a better source, by all means post it.

In April 1967, NCR attracted national and international attention when it published the secret reports of the majority of a special commission appointed by Pope Paul VI to review the church’s teaching that forbids the use of artificial means of contraception. The majority of the commission recommended revisions in the teaching. However, a year later, the pope rejected those recommendations and issued Humanae Vitae, commonly known as the birth control encyclical, which upheld traditional teaching.

Publication of the secret report was seen as scandalous in some circles and the action was among the reasons Bishop Charles H. Helmsing of Kansas City, Mo., who originally had encouraged the development of the paper, issued a condemnation of NCR and demanded that it remove the word Catholic from its name.

The paper largely ignored the condemnation. The Catholic Press Association said in a statement that the dispute arose out of a difference of opinion regarding the function of the press, while dozens of Catholic editors signed a statement disagreeing with the condemnation based on its “underlying definition of the legitimate boundaries of religious journalism in service to the church.”

Those boundaries are still in dispute, or at least in flux, in some areas of Catholic journalism. But Hoyt and others were acting on an understanding of the role of the press as expressed in a talk given earlier by noted Jesuit theologian Fr. John Courtney Murray during a Rome symposium sponsored by the International Union of the Catholic Press.

Function of the press

A copy of the talk was published by NCR in August 1964 in advance of its first issue “to announce its own program and journalistic criteria.” On its first anniversary, the Oct. 27, 1965, issue, NCR reprinted the text in its pages. Murray makes the case for unfettered access to information.
Appreciation: Robert Hoyt, NCR founder, dies at 81

 

[Luke6_37]

I’m sorry, but how do you figure that? EWTN has NEVER promoted schism and is totally against schism.

And some EWTN programs (like the World Over) do sometimes criticize some pastoral decisions of the Vatican, just like Mother Angelica sometimes criticized unorthodox pastoral decisions from some US bishops & when the Archdiocese of Denver had a woman play Jesus Christ in front of Pope John Paul II.

I think giving this man a platform and promoting his “controversial book” is a deliberate effort to undermine the authority of Pope Francis. This is way beyond “do sometimes criticize some pastoral decisions”, Arroyo is producing one hit piece against the Pope after another.

https://www.data.lifesitenews.com/n...-on-ewtn-pope-francis-has-deliberately-create

Orthodox does not mean ossified. Unfortunately, too many people think it does.

 

[phil19034]

As for what triggered the first Bishop to condemn NCR, here are the details I could find. If you have a better source, by all means post it.

Regardless, the point is, to the best of my knowledge, NO bishop has since added NCR to the Catholic Directory since the first local bishop condemned them.

 

[phil19034]

phil19034:

I’m sorry, but how do you figure that? EWTN has NEVER promoted schism and is totally against schism.

And some EWTN programs (like the World Over) do sometimes criticize some pastoral decisions of the Vatican, just like Mother Angelica sometimes criticized unorthodox pastoral decisions from some US bishops & when the Archdiocese of Denver had a woman play Jesus Christ in front of Pope John Paul II.

I think giving this man a platform and promoting his “controversial book” is a deliberate effort to undermine the authority of Pope Francis. This is way beyond “do sometimes criticize some pastoral decisions”, Arroyo is producing one hit piece against the Pope after another.

https://www.data.lifesitenews.com/n...-on-ewtn-pope-francis-has-deliberately-create

Orthodox does not mean ossified. Unfortunately, too many people think it does.

Did you watch that episode? I did. It was hardly as bad as LSN makes it sound.

Regardless, if you don’t like Raymond Arroyo, that’s fine. But to say he and EWTN are promoting schism is simply not true.

God bless

 

[MidwestGuy]

Bishop Paprocki

 

[Luke6_37]

Luke6_37:

As for what triggered the first Bishop to condemn NCR, here are the details I could find. If you have a better source, by all means post it.

Regardless, the point is, to the best of my knowledge, NO bishop has since added NCR to the Catholic Directory since the first local bishop condemned them.

It’s likely that NCR prefers to be “the ants in the pants of the establishment” (as one priest I know described them) than part of the establishment. They probably prefer not to be listed so they can maintain their identity as an independent news source with a liberal bias that reports on “all things Catholic”. Even so, two of their reporters, Thomas Reese, S.J. and John Allen, Jr. (who is now at Crux) are top notch, and it is well worth reading anything they publish.

 

[phil19034]

phil19034:

Luke6_37:

As for what triggered the first Bishop to condemn NCR, here are the details I could find. If you have a better source, by all means post it.

Regardless, the point is, to the best of my knowledge, NO bishop has since added NCR to the Catholic Directory since the first local bishop condemned them.

It’s likely that NCR prefers to be “the ants in the pants of the establishment” (as one priest I know described them) than part of the establishment. They probably prefer not to be listed so they can maintain their identity as an independent news source with a liberal bias that reports on “all things Catholic”. Even so, two of their reporters, Thomas Reese, S.J. and John Allen, Jr. (who is now at Crux) are top notch, and it is well worth reading anything they publish.

I have no issue with “ants in the pants of the establishment” because that’s what Raymond Arroyo at EWTN is doing now (and what Mother Angelica did from time to time).

Holding clergy accountable is totally fine.

What’s not fine is promoting heresy, like women priests, birth control, etc.

The issue I have with NCR is because they allow (if not promote) heretical articles, it makes me question them when they write something that is true (like busting a corrupt member of the Roman Curia).

Therefore, I don’t trust them because they are OK with being a dissent publication.

NOTE: “dissent” doesn’t mean they fight with individual Bishops or the USCCB (again, I’m fine with holding bishops accountable), “dissent” means they publicly object to / disagree with select Doctrines & Dogma of the Catholic faith.

God Bless

 

[Luke6_37]

Bishop Paprocki

Looked him up. Yeah, if a bishop is going to issue instructions telling parishes not to give LGBTQ Catholics a Christian funeral, there’s going to be push back on NCR for sure.

 

[MidwestGuy]

Looked him up. Yeah, if a bishop is going to issue instructions telling parishes not to give LGBTQ Catholics a Christian funeral, there’s going to be push back on NCR for sure.

So he will get pushback following church teaching?

 

[Luke6_37]

Luke6_37:

Looked him up. Yeah, if a bishop is going to issue instructions telling parishes not to give LGBTQ Catholics a Christian funeral, there’s going to be push back on NCR for sure.

So he will get pushback following church teaching?

About funerals? I think it falls into the same category as suicide. That was once a reason to deny a person funeral rites. Today, most people would find that to be cruel. I think the same case can be made for LGBTQ Catholics, and if anyone is going to make such a case, you can bet NCR will print it.