Is Lucifer really evil?

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No one created evil.

Evil is not at thing that has to be created. No one ever said, “Let there be evil.” God created all things good. These things included angels and man to whom he gave free will. Free will is used to either accept good or reject good. Rejection of good is evil.
Evil, in its ultimate sense, is anything not of God. God, as you should know, is the epitome of ‘good’. Lucifer, who turned into Satan, can easily be called the ‘creator of evil’, since he is the first entity, as far as we know, to do something not of God.
 
Evil, in its ultimate sense, is anything not of God. God, as you should know, is the epitome of ‘good’. Lucifer, who turned into Satan, can easily be called the ‘creator of evil’, since he is the first entity, as far as we know, to do something not of God.
As the first sinner, I suppose we could call Satan the creator of evil.

Can we also call the first person to dig in the dirt the creator of holes?🤷
 
As the first sinner, I suppose we could call Satan the creator of evil.

Can we also call the first person to dig in the dirt the creator of holes?🤷
As I said in the post before, evil is basically the lack of God, who is the embodiment of good. Am I not agreeing with you, in a way? Yes, Satan did create evil, because he was the first to do something not of God, again, as I said before. It is only logical Satan did, unless you think God, the embodiment of good, created evil.
 
“I am the Lord and there is no other; I form light and create darkness, I make peace and create evil.” (Isaias xiv. 7)

“Shall there be evil in a city, which the Lord hath not done?” (Amos iii. 6)

“Good things and evil, life and death, poverty and riches, are from God.” (Ecclus. xi. 14)

Evil is simply the deprivation of good. What we think of evil (sickness, death, loss, injury, etc.) is not real evil, for the only real evil is moral evil or sin. The only evil that God did not create is sin, moral evil. The Bible quotes I mention are not referring to moral evil/sin, but to temporal evil such as death, poverty, sickness, loss, injury, etc… These “evils” are not real evils because they sanctify us, purify us, give us opportunity to gain merit and expiate sins, etc. God bless you.
 
“I am the Lord and there is no other; I form light and create darkness, I make peace and create evil.” (Isaias xiv. 7)
Well, that about says it right there in black and white…but another verse God says EVERYTHING he created was good, so…Something is not right here, this is way to big of a contradiction to be coincidence.
 
Well, that about says it right there in black and white…but another verse God says EVERYTHING he created was good, so…Something is not right here, this is way to big of a contradiction to be coincidence.
Actually, there is no contradiction at all – you just think there is. Everything God created was good – and still has some good thing about it, otherwise God would not permit it to stay in existence, says St. Augustine… Those quotes I posted come straight from the Bible, the Word of God – the same Bible that says that everything God created was good. But with the fall of Lucifer and of Adam and Eve came “evil”: fallen nature, hell, death, sin, sickness, suffering, pain, loss, deprivation, etc. – evil or the deprivation of good, which is exactly what evil is. But as I said before, the only real evil is moral evil or sin. The other “evils” are a means for our purification, sanctification, an opportunity for the expiation of our sins and of our gaining merit for heaven and a higher place in heaven – all good things. Lucifer and man was created good, but after the fall they became fallen, which is a different state than their original state. God bless you.
 
Lucifer and man were created good, but after their falls they became fallen, which is a different state than their original state. But if there were nothing good about them in their fallen state, God would not permit them to exist, says St. Augustine. He says that even Satan, because he has being, still has some good about him. God knows that Satan’s temptations (towards us) give each one of us opportunity to prove our love for God, thus Satan serves some good purpose by being who he is. He is evil, but the Church teaches that evil is finite, unlike God’s infinite goodness. Satan is evil, the father of lies and a murderer from the beginning, but he is only a finite creature whose evil is limited and controlled by God’s Providence. God bless you.
 
It may be that Satan knows he can not defeat God but he chooses not to be obedient to God anyway and not to be in Heaven with God.

Some of the smartest people also choose not to obey God or believe that God exists. They choose to live without God even if they know God can not be defeated.

Getting others to follow them is enough for them to think that they are successful. satan chooses to rule in Hell rather than serve in Heaven. And yes, Satan is truly evil…anyone who tries to send folks to hell is most definitely evil, no doubt about that.
 
It may be that Satan knows he can not defeat God but he chooses not to be obedient to God anyway and not to be in Heaven with God.

Some of the smartest people also choose not to obey God or believe that God exists. They choose to live without God even if they know God can not be defeated.

Getting others to follow them is enough for them to think that they are successful. satan chooses to rule in Hell rather than serve in Heaven. And yes, Satan is truly evil…anyone who tries to send folks to hell is most definitely evil, no doubt about that.
Yes, but those smart people who dont want God in their lives, dont literally want Gods throne, they dont strive to be all powerful,or to have as many souls as possible, so there is a HUGE difference between a fallen angel and a person who just does not want God in their lives, plus, a simple human sin, mortal or otherwise is FAR FAR less severe than an angel actually trying to take over heaven for himself, AND the act of swaying 1/3 of God angels, this is likely the most severe of what Satan did.

BTW, satan does not actually rule over hell…hes not even there yet, nor are any of the demons, they were cast down to earth and will only be in hell after Jesus comes again, but even then, Hell is THEIR place of torment and punishment, so they wont be any better off than anyone else that is there, and probably be in much worse condition, as hell was created specifically for them to begin with, its not like they will doing any kind of torment to the humans there either, they wont be able to.
 
BTW, satan does not actually rule over hell…hes not even there yet, nor are any of the demons, they were cast down to earth and will only be in hell after Jesus comes again, but even then, Hell is THEIR place of torment and punishment, so they wont be any better off than anyone else that is there, and probably be in much worse condition, as hell was created specifically for them to begin with, its not like they will doing any kind of torment to the humans there either, they wont be able to.
2 Peter 2:4
“For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;”
Hell is a state of being. Earth is a material state. Satan is in both.
 
Hell is a state of being. Earth is a material state. Satan is in both.
The Church has traditionally taught that Hell is both a place and a state of being; and that Satan is a pure spirit, unlike us who are made up of both body and spirit. God bless you.
 
The Church has traditionally taught that Hell is both a place and a state of being; and that Satan is a pure spirit, unlike us who are made up of both body and spirit. God bless you.
Where is Hell?
 
Where is Hell?
It was revealed to Ven. Mary of Agreda – and I’m sure to other mystics – that Hell is located in the very center/core of the earth. I read this in Ven. Mary of Agreda’s book The Mystical City of God, the life story of the Blessed Virgin Mary, which has received the highest approbation of several Popes. The book is so excellent that it was required reading for priests up until Vatican II. God bless you.
 
It was revealed to Ven. Mary of Agreda – and I’m sure to other mystics – that Hell is located in the very center/core of the earth. I read this in Ven. Mary of Agreda’s book The Mystical City of God, the life story of the Blessed Virgin Mary, which has received the highest approbation of several Popes. The book is so excellent that it was required reading for priests up until Vatican II. God bless you.
I thought you might be referring to the center of the earth location. We did traditionally teach that the lake of fire was at the center of the earth. I think current Catholic theology abandoned this in conjunction with scientific research.

I’ve read several more recent theologians who teach that Hell is a state. I did a quick search on line and came up with this:
Hell ‘‘is not a ‘place’ but a ‘state,’ a person’s ‘state of being,’ in which a person suffers from the deprivation of God,’’ declared La Civilta Cattolica, an influential Jesuit magazine based in Rome and closely tied to the Vatican, in a long editorial in July.
 
I thought you might be referring to the center of the earth location. We did traditionally teach that the lake of fire was at the center of the earth. I think current Catholic theology abandoned this in conjunction with scientific research.

I’ve read several more recent theologians who teach that Hell is a state. I did a quick search on line and came up with this:
Yes, I am aware that recent theologians say things that are contrary to tradition, but that does not mean they or their “science” is right. I believe strongly what I read in *The Mystical City of God *about Hell being located in the core of the earth… If you don’t believe Hell is located there, then at least believe that Hell is both a place and a state of being, because this is the truth handed down traditionally – and that truth does not even depend on whether or not you choose to believe that Hell is located in the core of the earth. Please read the newer theologians and their findings with a grain of salt, if you wish to preserve your faith – they are Modernists.

God bless you.
 
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