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gurneyhalleck1
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Yes, it’s a sin, and so is spelling it wrong in the thread title! 
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My_God
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If masturbation is a grave sin why does it feel awesome? If God did not want us to wack-off why make it so pleasurable. To tell a teenager or anyone not married they are a sinner for pleasuring themselves should itself be a sin punishable by eternal hell. Let me put it another way, if you went through your teen years without masturbating on a regular basis there is something seriously wrong with you and/or your genitals. As a result, most likely you will develop prostate cancer and/or have infertility problems. Also you have taken out perhaps the best natural therapy for built up tension and anxiety and as a result will develop social/emotional disorders. You screwed up your life based on superstitious religious dogma. This does give you permission to resort to child abuse by feeding your evil thoughts to young people. The catholic church has been wrong about everything from the world being flat to the crusades. Get off your high horse and accept the natural order of things. There is a lot of pain in the world and giving yourself innocent pleasure is a sign of living life and part of healthy self-esteem.
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LilyM
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Is this seriously the best argument you can raise?
Some people get pleasurable feelings out of robbing banks, torturing animals, drinking until they pass out or stealing from the till at work. Does the fact that it feels awesome for them in any way justify their action or render it morally unproblematic? Of course not. It just means our feelings are fickle and frequently inaccurate, and are not at all a reliable guide to the rightness or wrongness of an act
Prostate cancer? Spare me. If drinking the blood of freshly killed young babies were a preventative for prostate cancer would that in any way justify it? Ends do not always justify morally questionable means. Not to mention that there are practices like eating plenty of cooked tomato (for the lycopene) or taking saw palmetto (a herbal supplement) that are at least as effective without being of questionable morality.
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My_God
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At Lily:
Lily: “Prostate cancer? Spare me.”
Wow, there is a Christian sentiment. “Who gives a **** if my stupid religious dogma kills you, I know I am right. Go eat a ****ing tomato and pray to the lycopene God.” Your ****ing kidding, right.
You fail to give a 20th century justification for masturbation being sinful. We are just suppose to refrain because the Bible tells us so…much like how it informs us on how to sell our daughters as slaves and kill our children when they talk back to us. And you talk about ends do not always justify morally questionable means. You should be giving that sermon to the Catholic Church. Your position is harmful and detrimental, especially to young people and you should be ashamed of yourself.
Lily: “Prostate cancer? Spare me.”
Wow, there is a Christian sentiment. “Who gives a **** if my stupid religious dogma kills you, I know I am right. Go eat a ****ing tomato and pray to the lycopene God.” Your ****ing kidding, right.
You fail to give a 20th century justification for masturbation being sinful. We are just suppose to refrain because the Bible tells us so…much like how it informs us on how to sell our daughters as slaves and kill our children when they talk back to us. And you talk about ends do not always justify morally questionable means. You should be giving that sermon to the Catholic Church. Your position is harmful and detrimental, especially to young people and you should be ashamed of yourself.
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montanaman
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Oh brother.
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RazzsMom
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May I ask you, whay are you here? Your vitriolic, hate-filled tirades are not what will gain you friends or initiate meaningful debate. I have friends who are athiests and we have many emotionally-charged debates, but it is done with taste, decorum, and sensitivity toward each other.
Secondly, I am going to speak as an RN. A man does not develop prostate cancer simply by never having sexual release. Testosterone (male hormone) stimulates BOTH non-cancerous and cancerous prostate cells. The high majority of men do not even develop prostate CA until in their 70’s and 80’s. Consequently, you can infer that if sexual tension caused prostate CA, it would certainly show up at a much earlier age. Environmental factors, such as smoking, as well as diet play a large role in this cancer. People who are at higher risk include:
African-American men
Men who are older than 60
Farmers
Tire plant workers
Painters
Men who have been exposed to cadmium
The lowest number of cases occurs in Japanese men and those who do not eat meat (vegetarians).
There is no known way to prevent prostate cancer. Following a vegetarian, low-fat diet or one that is similar to the traditional Japanese diet may lower your risk.
Now…may we continue to debate (if that is truly why you are here) in a respectful manner? You have cried that Lily did not speak in a “christian” manner. Yet you wrote your reply in an extremely volatile language.
If you truly want answers, ask them with respect and any one here at CAF will try to obtain answers. God bless you, sir. Even though you do not realize it, Jesus does love you. I pray someday you will understand that. And I love you, too.
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Podo2005
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What an idiotic post…
- learn to debate & stop acting like a baby
2)stop acting uncharitably towards others & learn some respect
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Abrooks
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Why do these people post here?
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Thomas_Casey
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I have gone through this thread and deleted six posts that contained hateful comments toward the faith and vulgar comments. If this repeats itself the thread may be closed. I will inform the regular moderator of what I have done and she will decide how to proceed.
Please keep your discussions respectful.
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Thomas Casey
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Please keep your discussions respectful.
Thank you
Thomas Casey
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RazzsMom
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Thank you.
However, it appears you deleted my post which only contained medical information. Why?
Respectfully,
Razz(name removed by moderator)
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AmoADios
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I am a 14 year old girl, who has masterbated since I was 11/12. Back then I didn’t know what masterbating meant or was. But any who I think I started because I was under alot of stress and maybe because I didn’t like it there. I now know what it means and I’ve tried to stop. The longest I’ve stopped for is probably a month. When I’m alone i get the urge of watching porn and masterbating. I want to go to confession and confess myself but I’m afraid. My question is though, Is masterbating a sin?
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wisconsinmom
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I’m a married woman with 5 kids, currently pregnant with my 6th child. Wondering about this rule of the church in regards to married couples.
First of all - if I’m already pregnant - then there is no chance for ‘life’ to occur, beyond what is growing in me already. So when we have sex is that then a sin? Because we are doing it for purposes of pleasure and each sex act provides no chance for for life?
I think there is a bit of a contradiction there.
Also - not all sex acts end in an orgasm - so sometimes other means - between married couples - are required to achieve that. Akin to masterbation techniques. So is that a sin? Because the sex act is over and it’s just for pleasure beyond that point?
Let’s face it - a man is usally done depositing his seed long before a woman has had any pleasure from the act. So is further stimulation of the woman a sin? And something she needs to confess?
I think these are some serious loopholes the CCC doesn’t even touch on.
What answers can you give me on these topics?
First of all - if I’m already pregnant - then there is no chance for ‘life’ to occur, beyond what is growing in me already. So when we have sex is that then a sin? Because we are doing it for purposes of pleasure and each sex act provides no chance for for life?
I think there is a bit of a contradiction there.
Also - not all sex acts end in an orgasm - so sometimes other means - between married couples - are required to achieve that. Akin to masterbation techniques. So is that a sin? Because the sex act is over and it’s just for pleasure beyond that point?
Let’s face it - a man is usally done depositing his seed long before a woman has had any pleasure from the act. So is further stimulation of the woman a sin? And something she needs to confess?
I think these are some serious loopholes the CCC doesn’t even touch on.
What answers can you give me on these topics?
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Earnest_Bunbury
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There are many loopholes when we fail to look for the higher truth. We can find many contradictions when we are concerned with the appearance and not the spirit. Procreation is a truth of sex but it is also true that it is an act given to man and woman for expression of love. Using each other sexually is what this truth is concerned in bringing to light and is contrary to married sexual loving as a holy institution. Loving stimulation in holy matrimony is good when the object of that stimulation is godly.
God is more present to us than we are to ourselves with union with God in prayer, study, and the Holy Spirit. A working on prayerful union with Him and His Spirit will lead to all that is good in life and in love. Strive for the higher virtue and the higher truth.
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whm
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It is not a sin to have married relations while pregnant.
It is not a sin to have married relations because it is pleasurable. It can be sinful if lust is involved.
If the marital act has not been frustrated in anyway, the fact that the man has completed in the normal way, does not mean the couple cannot continue.
It is not a sin as far a I know. I believe Pope John Paul II specifically addressed this at some point in his Theology of the Body discussions.
I don’t see the loopholes you mention.
The CCC is not a sex manual and is not going to go into this type of detail. There are approved Catholic books regarding marriage that cover these issues. Your priest is trained to discuss these issues as well.
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Holysoldier
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Okay, I haven’t masterbated and I’m 24. For the past year I have been battling prostate problems and am experiencing pain. I was given antibiotics about six months ago and they didn’t work. I was told that if I didn’t releave the build up in my prostate through masterbation, since nocturnal emissions aren’t working, it wouldn’t get any better and could get worse. What do I do? Is it a sin if it is for your own health and your not doing it for sexual reasons?
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BlueShadow123
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yes its a sin and i will tell you why.
having yourself pleased sexually gives you physical and mental bonusus. Look it up if you want, i really does have good things to it, however that is why god designed a man and a woman to have sex together. It actually releases chemicals in your brain like a natural pain killer, and ‘reaching the top’ actually puts less pressure on some organs and prevents you from some diseases. im not going to post all of it because this is a christian forum, but look it up. on top of that, its a great way for a husband and a wife to show they love eachother and to connect mentally and physically.
now that you know why sex is good in a marriage, ill tell you why its sinful OUTSIDE of a marriage. Well, not just sex, but masturbation too, lol.
First off if you masturbate, you can’t think of nothing. im saying that when you masturbate you are thinking of somebody or some sort of sexaul act. Thinking of somebody like that is called lusting, and lusting is against the bible, ontop of that, getting any sort of sexual pleasure is to be saved for marriage. sex in a loving marriage is wonderful. there are so many benifits mentally and physically for both you and your partner and that is also why god created it to be so pleasureful. sexual feelings and thoughts are for marriage and marriage only.
having yourself pleased sexually gives you physical and mental bonusus. Look it up if you want, i really does have good things to it, however that is why god designed a man and a woman to have sex together. It actually releases chemicals in your brain like a natural pain killer, and ‘reaching the top’ actually puts less pressure on some organs and prevents you from some diseases. im not going to post all of it because this is a christian forum, but look it up. on top of that, its a great way for a husband and a wife to show they love eachother and to connect mentally and physically.
now that you know why sex is good in a marriage, ill tell you why its sinful OUTSIDE of a marriage. Well, not just sex, but masturbation too, lol.
First off if you masturbate, you can’t think of nothing. im saying that when you masturbate you are thinking of somebody or some sort of sexaul act. Thinking of somebody like that is called lusting, and lusting is against the bible, ontop of that, getting any sort of sexual pleasure is to be saved for marriage. sex in a loving marriage is wonderful. there are so many benifits mentally and physically for both you and your partner and that is also why god created it to be so pleasureful. sexual feelings and thoughts are for marriage and marriage only.
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stringbeanduck
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Either I’m not understanding your post, or you answered your question. It is grave matter. When a person know something is grave matter, chooses to act upon it anyway of their own will, they fall into a state known as mortal sin. Don’t be afraid to confess. I’m certain you won’t be first or the last person to confess that sin to him.
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Earnest_Bunbury
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Welcome Mr. Summers.
As I posted above, and in relation to this being a Catholic forum, we Christians see the higher truth in sex. This comes from the nature of things and beings reflecting God’s Nature. These lower “natural laws” stem from God’s Divine Law as revealed in Scripture and Sacred Tradition which correspond to this natural law in that it perfects it and orients these lower truths to its higher source, God.
True love is not just a feeling or an attraction and certainly not an attraction to using another person because you “feel for them”. This does not correspond to the dignity of the human person made in the image and likeness of God, that is, with an intellect and reason. The true love is one that gives unselfishly and without reserve. One cannot do this without God’s Grace that perfects our human nature and gives it a union with Him in sharing His life.
Today’s culture of purely material and utilitarian concerns use God’s Creation for purposes that are not in line with truth and goodness. God’s Will is our salvation in His Grace as our perfection leading to life with Him for eternity. On our Journey to Him in this life, we can share in this perfection by our correct actions and the true freedom of grace which precludes the addiction and slavery to sin.
Gay sex is not oriented to children, which is the perfection of what sex is for. God’s Providence dictates when a child is actually produced, and couples can work with the natural cycle of the woman to share their union without the thwarting of His plan by using contraceptives. True love resembles God’s Love in nature, act, and finality. Using someone is not good and not of God, which is the better way of life we try to point to on this forum. This is ultimately your choice, but as Moses said in the Old Testament, “I set before you life and death, blessing and cursing. Choose therefore life…” Again, welcome.
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