Is medjugorji fake?

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I found the answer on another forum let me just copy and paste it one second ☝️

She did not suggest that all religions are equal, but that as Paul says in his epistles, all people are equal in the sight of God.

“Tell this priest, tell everyone, that it is you who are divided on earth. The Muslims and the Orthodox, for the same reason as Catholics, are equal before my Son and me. You are all my children. Certainly, all religions are not equal, but all men are equal before God, as St. Paul says. It does not suffice to belong to the Catholic Church to be saved, but it is necessary to respect the commandments of God in following one’s conscience.”

“There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for you are all one in Christ Jesus.”

1 Corinthians 7:19 Circumcision is nothing and uncircumcision is nothing. Keeping God’s commands is what counts.

1 Corinthians 12:13 For we were all baptized by one Spirit into one body–whether Jews or Greeks, slave or free–and we were all given the one Spirit to drink.

Galatians 5:6 For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision has any value. The only thing that counts is faith expressing itself through love.

"In his Letter to the Duke of Norfolk, Newman quotes Cardinal Gousset, who writes: “The Divine Law is the supreme rule of actions; our thoughts, desires, words, acts, all that man is, is subject to the domain of the law of God; and this law is the rule of our conduct by means of our conscience. Hence it is never lawful to go against our conscience.”

Essentially, conscience is one’s best judgment, in a given situation, on what here and now is to be done as good, or to be avoided as evil. Because conscience is one’s best judgment, hic et nunc, a person has a duty to obey it. The Fourth Lateran Council says: “He who acts against his conscience loses his soul”.

Then there is the notion that conscience be informed.

Romans 2:15
“They show that what the law requires is written in their hearts, a fact to which their own consciences testify, and their thoughts will either accuse or excuse them.”

“This is the covenant that I will make with them
after those days, says the Lord:
I will put my laws on their hearts,
and write them on their minds,”

“I will remember their sins and their misdeeds no more.”
Where there is forgiveness of these, there is no longer any offering for sin. Hebrews 10:14-18

I will put my law within them, and I will write it upon their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people. And no longer shall each man teach his neighbor and each his brother, saying, ‘Know the LORD,’ for they shall all know me, from the least of them to the greatest, says the LORD; for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more. Jeremiah 31:33b-34
 
“From silly devotions and sour-faced saints, good Lord, deliver us!”

~St. Teresa of Avila
 
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I am surprised that you posted nothing from the Catechism

I. THE FORMATION OF CONSCIENCE

**[1783] Conscience must be informed and moral judgment enlightened. A well-formed conscience is upright and truthful. It formulates its judgments according to reason, in conformity with the true good willed by the wisdom of the Creator. The education of conscience is indispensable for human beings who are subjected to negative influences and tempted by sin to prefer their own judgment and to reject authoritative teachings.

**[1784] The education of the conscience is a lifelong task. From the earliest years, it awakens the child to the knowledge and practice of the interior law recognized by conscience. Prudent education teaches virtue; it prevents or cures fear, selfishness and pride, resentment arising from guilt, and feelings of complacency, born of human weakness and faults. The education of the conscience guarantees freedom and engenders peace of heart.

**[1785] In the formation of conscience the Word of God is the light for our path,54 we must assimilate it in faith and prayer and put it into practice. We must also examine our conscience before the Lord’s Cross. We are assisted by the gifts of the Holy Spirit, aided by the witness or advice of others and guided by the authoritative teaching of the Church
 
Rosie11, all people who have looked at the sun, for any reason, for an extended period…

Please, see an eye doctor! You may have been exposed to something harmful, which could severely damage your eyes!

For more specifics, read the link posted, to the optometrist’s post concerning eye damage!

In fact, you can learn a lot, by reading the whole thread. I know it’s very long, you may not want to…but, try to give it some attention! Except for the latest investigative council, which began in 2010, it is quite relevant to things today.
A former medj enthusiast who posted there soon after was concerned about what may have happened to him, as he had also stared at the sun . The optometrist gave some pretty specific examples and symptoms.

Also, some of you have shared some statements from the visionaries, even giving direct quotes…This is what is not permitted on these forums. Questions about the Vatican’s last statement, the church’s attitude, etc. are allowed. Direct quotes from the visionaries, and those close to them, are not…this could get this thread closed down.
 
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I completely agree.
They didn’t step on her dress they touched it and as they were touching it the dress became dirty this was [not?] actual dirt but their sin that was dirtying Mary’s dress
This whole episode is very disturbing to orthodox Catholics who view Mary as the “Immaculate One” conceived without sin. How dare we sully the Immaculate Conception! Can you imagine Mary covered with the black marks of our sin, when God deliberately preserved her from sin her entire life? This is Satanic.
From silly devotions and sour-faced saints, good Lord, deliver us!”
The rosary, Divine Mercy, Sacred Heart are “silly devotions”? Sorry you feel that way. On the other hand, I can be sour-faced! 😛 But my question was, have any pious devotionals come out of Medjugorje after almost forty years? I haven’t heard of any.
this could get this thread closed down.
Noooooo! It’s always the interesting ones that get closed down. 😫
 
That was some good info on the history of the Franciscan’s disobedience to the Holy See. I found another website critical of the apparitions. They say many pilgrims have died on “Apparition Hill.” It’s eerie. And the seers have profited immensely from the whole affair. One owns a 54 room luxury hotel, another bought 1.5 million in real estate in the US:

https://www.marcocorvaglia.com/medjugorje-en/the-seers-and-an-unescapable-conflict-of-interests.html

“We could not ascertain the sincerity of the seers, but on the synchronicity of the ecstasies they were lying”:

https://www.marcocorvaglia.com/medj...icity-of-the-ecstasies-they-were-lying-2.html

“Several Medjugorje pilgrims have disappeared on Podbrdo (commonly called “Hill of Apparitions”) and then were found dead there or on the surrounding hills.”

https://www.marcocorvaglia.com/medjugorje-en/the-hill-of-disappearances.html
 
Very good information! I’ve always liked Marco’s blog, but had trouble navigating it…you’ve certainly found some info, that, no doubt, has been covered up! Thanks for posting these links.

Tourism must have changed everything…from the landscape, to the standard of living. It wouldn’t be prudent to tank the economy!

But, how long can the PTB ignore the truth? I don’t think we’ll be seeing an official ruling for a long time!
 
There is no way it should be definitively ruled on until all apparitions have stopped, as per their own rules.

Honestly, the way the seers seem to live in the lap of luxury, to the literally tens of thousands of repetitive, vacuous messages looks very unholy to me. I believe in lots of apparitions, but not this one.
 
There is no way it should be definitively ruled on until all apparitions have stopped, as per their own rules.
Who’s own rules? If you mean the Church, I don’t know of any such rule. Other supposed apparitions were ruled on before they were ended.
 
Who’s own rules? If you mean the Church, I don’t know of any such rule. Other supposed apparitions were ruled on before they were ended.
I had read about this rule somewhere, I can’t remember. It’s the reason why the Vatican has taken so long to pronounce something after they took over the investigation. It just make sense to not issue a ruling on something that is still happening, unless it’s to condemn it.

So which apparitions were ruled on while still ongoing? Can you provide some sources?
 
The only time I see this argument is those who support Medjugorji. I have never seen it from the Church… Betania was approved before it was over although the seer was not approved. Bayside was condemned before it ended. There were others that were not accepted as being authentic before they were over. So you covered yourself by saying unless to condemn it. We don’t know if it will be condemned. We need to wait but as I said before because the economy depends a lot on it I don’t think a ruling will come but not because it is on going. A decision has been made just not released.
 
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I had a strengthening of my faith by similar means, through the “I am your Jesus of mercy” series by Gianna Talone, who was a supposed “seer”, found out it was all a sham. Here I am with my faith though and couldn’t be stronger. Sometimes God permits pseudo spirituality to bring us closer to the real thing.
 
Of course you don’t have to wait until the end to condemn it. That’s just common sense.
Who’s own rules? If you mean the Church, I don’t know of any such rule.
I did find these two articles:
“Medjugorje believers ignore the fact that the Church has condemned the apparitions as bogus. They say the Church cannot finally decide until the apparitions come to an end.” ~ Loading...
“Devotees of the alleged apparitions are quick to point out that the Church has never formally pronounced the visions to be false; that Bishop Peric’s words are only his opinion. True, but the Church generally does not issue a formal position on apparitions until after they have ceased; and three of the alleged visionaries claim Our Lady keeps turning up like clockwork every day for decades.” ~ Simcha Fisher: The Lady of Medjugorje is not your mother
 
It just make sense to not issue a ruling on something that is still happening, unless it’s to condemn it.
It has been. Three Bishops Commissions have officially declared that there is no evidence of any supernatural happenings there. That is the existing valid and in force decision of the Church.
 
OK, here is some more Medjugorje craziness straight from the Bishop of Mostar Msgr. Pavao Žanić:

> Here I will only mention the bloody handkerchief. Word spread around that there was a certain taxi driver who came across a man who was bloody all over. This man gave this taxi driver a bloodied handkerchief and he told him to: “throw this in the river”. The driver went on and then he came across a woman in black. She stopped him and asked him to give her a handkerchief. He gave her his own, but she said: “not that one but the bloody handkerchief.”
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> He gave her the handkerchief she wanted and she then said: “If you had thrown it into the river the end of the world would have occurred now.” Vicka Ivanković wrote in her diary that they asked Our Lady if this event was true and she said that it was, and along with this, “That man covered with blood was my son Jesus, and I (Our Lady) was that woman in black.”
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> What kind of theology is this? From this it appears that Jesus wants to destroy the world if
> a handkerchief is thrown into a river and its Our Lady who saves the world! ~ Bp. Pavao Zanic



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