Is Muhammad foretold in the Bible?

[friardchips]

I have studied Islam since 1995. I do not wish to offend anyone, but here are some of my notes. These are my factual conclusions which I can provide references of credible scholars who did research over the last century.

Muhammed is not anywhere in the Christian bible. This belief is just a myth that the Muslims would like you to believe to make their religion more palatable. Islam is a false religion based upon their god, Allah, which was the greatest of 365 other pagan gods at the time of Muhammed. Allah comes from the god Sin, “The Controller of the Night,” and had the crescent moon as his emblem, and the lunar-based calendar, which became the primary religious symbols of Islam, and was worshiped in Arabia as AI-Ilah. See Nabonidus and the Babylonian ruler who made the Babylonian pagan gods acceptable to the Arabians who esteemed the “moon god” and made Mecca the center of all pagan religions of Arabia. . AI-Ilah, the Moon God, was the “Lord of the Ka’aba” (“cube”) which was the center of pagan worship, ruling over 360 idols. Lucrative trade routes resulted. The Ka’aba black cube in Mecca is of course the center of Islamic worship today. Islam is a previously heathen religion modified into a monotheistic form by discarding all the other pagan gods except for Al-Ilah. Islamic pagan rites are still practiced in Mecca today (i.e., pray to direction of their gods, circling the Ka’aba 7 times, kissing it, and running to the Wadi Mina to throw stones, and so on). There is overwhelming evidence that Muhammad constructed his religion and the Quran from pre-existing material in Arabian culture. The Quraysh tribe (Muhammad’s tribe ) was previously devoted to Allah, the moon god. Muhammad’s father was Abd-Allah. His Uncle, Obied-Allah. His mother, Aminah, was known to have been involved in the occult. Muhammad’s tribe wanted Mecca due to the location of lucative trade routes.

Actually, Allah = AI-Ilah. Arabic for “the god.” pre-Islamic name, corresponding to the Babylonian Bel. Other names were “The Moon-god”, “crescent moon”.

Islam incorporates beliefs in jinn’s ( which are genies, fairies); in spells, magic stones, fetishes; and animistic beliefs (spirits living in inanimate objects). See: Suras 55; 72; 113, 114. Such beliefs are contrary to Biblical injunctions found for example in Deut. 4:19; 17:3; Job 31:26-28. Penalties: Deut. 17:6; 2 Ki 23:5.
The Quran is an amalgam of Hinduism, Buddhism, Mythraism, Greek mystery religions, as well as elements from Judaism and Christianity.
The Quran is not free of error, contains contradictions, and has the order confused. Disagrees with itself (6 days and 8 days – Sura 7:51, 10:3, Sura 41 claims 8 days) and the bible on the creation in Genesis. Has over 100 aberrations especially concerning Abraham.

Jesus is on every page of the Old testament. A central theme of the entire Biblical panorama is the actual presentation of the Coming One, the central person of all history whom the Hebrews call the Messiah: “The volume of the book is written of me” (Psalm 40:7, also quoted in Hebrews 10:7); “Search the Scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me” (John 5:39). His story is a love story written in blood on a wooden cross that was erected in Judea about two thousand years ago. His crucifixion wasn’t a tragedy; it was an achievement! It is ludicrous to think that Muhammed is on any page of the Christian Bible as a “foretold” prophet or messenger.

In reference to Revelation 11, the chapter is about the 2 witnesses that come to prophesize for 1260 days or 42 months, or times, time, and one half time, or 40 months plus 2 months, or 3-1/2 years, of the middle of the 70th week, or the middle of the week. The Holy Spirit could not have done anymore to document throughout the Bible in many places that this is a 1260 day period of time. It is a faulty application of hermeneutics to equate one year for one day in the context of this chapter or the other references where this 3-1/2 period of time is used.

The identity of 2 witnesses is not known but for many reasons, theologians believe that it will be Elijah and Moses. I the last book of the Old Testament, Malachi 4-5:

“Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the LORD:…”

Hi. I had heard from somewhere ages ago that Muhammad was a sea merchant - does this equate with your sources? Because it would explain why it was that he was able to glean various sources of info. from various lands far and wide and collate into one ‘spiritual’ cocktail? After all, he had to learn this knowledge, however vague, to begin with. Also, aren’t ‘Jinns’ originally from Buddhism because someone mentioned ‘Jinns’ in a thread a while back and Buddhism immediately rang a bell?

I heard some possibly new evidence stating that stones are thrown at the Ka’aba, which consists of three rock shapes, not one? Or is that a false report?

Thanks.

 

[TonyBS]

After all, he had to learn this knowledge, however vague, to begin with.Thanks.

This needs a reply - It is common knowledge that Muhammad was unschooled

al-islam.org/unschooled-prophet-ayatullah-murtadha-mutahhari/unschooled-prophet

"One of the highlights in the life of the great Prophet Muhammad (SA) is the fact that he was untrained and unschooled (ie, he did not attend any school). He had not been trained by any teacher and neither he had acquainted himself with any written work.

No historian, Muslim or non-Muslim, can be found who would claim that the Prophet (SA) had been taught to read or write by anyone in his childhood or youth, let alone during his old age, which was the time of his mission. No one has ever either indicated an instance of the Prophet (SA) having read or written a line".

Regards Tony

 

[MartinJordan]

This needs a reply - It is common knowledge that Muhammad was unschooled

al-islam.org/unschooled-prophet-ayatullah-murtadha-mutahhari/unschooled-prophet

"One of the highlights in the life of the great Prophet Muhammad (SA) is the fact that he was untrained and unschooled (ie, he did not attend any school). He had not been trained by any teacher and neither he had acquainted himself with any written work.

No historian, Muslim or non-Muslim, can be found who would claim that the Prophet (SA) had been taught to read or write by anyone in his childhood or youth, let alone during his old age, which was the time of his mission. No one has ever either indicated an instance of the Prophet (SA) having read or written a line".

Regards Tony

That means those who came LONG afterwards try to fill up the blanks. Using Christian scriptures (written and through experiences with Jesus and his Apostles passed down by blood and suffering and defended ) taking them out of context.

Disrespectful of Christian scriptures (and Jesus’ own words) is what comes to mind.

MJ

 

[ericc]

Yes The year 1260 AH is “After Hejira” and yes that is Would that be 622AD.

The switch between 1260AH and 1844 AD is because they are the same Dates.

The Date of 1844 was arrived at by using the 2300 days of Daniel 8:14 with the commandment to restore and rebuild Jerusalem in 457 B.C, one reference is William Miller for this. We know that using the commandment to restore and rebuild Jerusalem in 457 B.C also proves the event of Christ - This is an independent discussion that includes reference to 1844 and comes to 1844 from another direction - prophecymadeeasy.com/chapter09.htm

Not sure if this covers what you were looking for?

Regards Tony

You didn’t specifically answer the conquest of Jerusalem question. Is the conquest of Jerusalem in 622AD according to your reference.bahai.org/en/t/ab/SAQ/saq-11.html ? Can you point me to a an independent source to verify this.

You also didn’t confirm that the 1260 years in Rev 11 calculation always refer to the lunar years with 354 days per year.

There will be other questions coming but I’ll like to firm up the basics first.

 

[TonyBS]

That means those who came LONG afterwards try to fill up the blanks. Using Christian scriptures (written and through experiences with Jesus and his Apostles passed down by blood and suffering and defended ) taking them out of context.

Disrespectful of Christian scriptures (and Jesus’ own words) is what comes to mind.

MJ

Or a Fulfillment and the Fruit of Christian Scriptures to which a Christian is yet to partake of

God Bless and Regards Tony

 

[MartinJordan]

Or a Fulfillment and the Fruit of Christian Scriptures to which a Christian is yet to partake of

God Bless and Regards Tony

I can assure you, the Fruits of the Spirit to guide us allows us to partake wholeheartedly with God. Fulfilled by the promises of our Lord Jesus Christ. He lives and through Him we are Joyous!

MJ

 

[Servant19]

I can assure you, the Fruits of the Spirit to guide us allows us to partake wholeheartedly with God. Fulfilled by the promises of our Lord Jesus Christ. He lives and through Him we are Joyous!

MJ

And no Baha’i would ever wish to deny you of that, nor ever imply that this partaking does not exist.

It is actually the other way around. Christians deny that the fruits of the Spirit can exist in other religions, nor can we wholeheartedly partake in God.

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[Servant19]

You didn’t specifically answer the conquest of Jerusalem question. Is the conquest of Jerusalem in 622AD according to your reference.bahai.org/en/t/ab/SAQ/saq-11.html ? Can you point me to a an independent source to verify this.

You also didn’t confirm that the 1260 years in Rev 11 calculation always refer to the lunar years with 354 days per year.

There will be other questions coming but I’ll like to firm up the basics first.

Hi eric,

Yes, the 622AD coincides with the conquest of Jerusalem and the flight of the Prophet Muhammad to Medina. Historically this is verified by the Byzantine-Sassanian, where Jerusalem was conquered by Persians in 622Ad and a few years later taken over completely by the Islamic Rushidun Caliphate:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Byzantine%E2%80%93Sasanian_War_of_602%E2%80%93628#Byzantine_counter-offensive

Hope that helps

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[TonyBS]

You didn’t specifically answer the conquest of Jerusalem question. Is the conquest of Jerusalem in 622AD according to your reference.bahai.org/en/t/ab/SAQ/saq-11.html ? Can you point me to a an independent source to verify this.

You also didn’t confirm that the 1260 years in Rev 11 calculation always refer to the lunar years with 354 days per year.

There will be other questions coming but I’ll like to firm up the basics first.

Ericc - Servant has supplied one response above.

Dates Had to look at the net, but a quick look found;

As for 1260AH it is Lunar Years that are made up of 354.37 days +

As for 1844 it is Solar Years made up of 365.2425 days +

Historically, They are the same corresponding year.

As if 1260 is always refereed to as 354 Days, I can not say. The sum I showed above was just done by using numbers rounded down to the nearest day.

The result was of interest, so it was shared.

God Bless and Regards Tony

 

[MartinJordan]

And no Baha’i would ever wish to deny you of that, nor ever imply that this partaking does not exist.

It is actually the other way around. Christians deny that the fruits of the Spirit can exist in other religions, nor can we wholeheartedly partake in God.

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No. Just deficient. In all due respect. It’s our Scripture to edify and Glorify, in Charity the all Loving everliving God. Fruits of the Spirit is pure, beautiful, complete, thoughtful, undefiled, Godly, Divine. Amen. Come Lord Jesus come. Amen.

MJ

 

[Servant19]

No. Just deficient. In all due respect. It’s our Scripture to edify and Glorify, in Charity the all Loving everliving God. Fruits of the Spirit is pure, beautiful, complete, thoughtful, undefiled, Godly, Divine. Amen. Come Lord Jesus come. Amen.

MJ

If this post is the fruits of that Spirit, then…

Let’s just say there is a lot of work to do for the Holy Spirit

Calling all other religions “deficient” is far from charity, thoughtful, pure, or beautiful…

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[Peter_Plato]

If this post is the fruits of that Spirit, then…

Let’s just say there is a lot of work to do for the Holy Spirit

Calling all other religions “deficient” is far from charity, thoughtful, pure, or beautiful…

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Well, if it is the truth that those religions ARE deficient then it would be a great service to all those who might think they have the fullness of truth when they actually haven’t.

Charity isn’t giving someone a stick to eat when they need real food.

And pointing out that the stick is only a stick and deficient in nutrients ISN’T “far from charity, thoughtful, pure, or beautiful….”

It WOULD BE the charitable, thoughtful, honest, pure and beautiful thing to do.

 

[Servant19]

Well, if it is the truth that those religions ARE deficient then it would be a great service to all those who might think they have the fullness of truth when they actually haven’t.

Charity isn’t giving someone a stick to eat when they need real food.

And pointing out that the stick is only a stick and deficient in nutrients ISN’T “far from charity, thoughtful, pure, or beautiful….”

It WOULD BE the charitable, thoughtful, honest, pure and beautiful thing to do.

And who today is the ABSOLUTE AUTHORITY to make such a judgement.

Personally, a human being should speak more humbly.

In humility there is greatness, not in judgement…

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[Peter_Plato]

And who today is the ABSOLUTE AUTHORITY to make such a judgement.

Not you, then?

Let me get this straight…

…you are saying that you – and no one else for that matter – are able to distinguish between a stick and nourishing food with reference to spiritual matters?

Then, I suppose I am better off not asking you to cook supper for me, right?

Personally, a human being should speak more humbly.

In humility there is greatness, not in judgement…

Was this not a judgement?
Personally, a human being should speak more humbly.

It certainly appears to be a judgement, though one crouching behind a veil of humility. :hammering:

 

[Servant19]

Not you, then?

Let me get this straight…

…you are saying that you – and no one else for that matter – are able to distinguish between a stick and nourishing food with reference to spiritual matters?

Then, I suppose I am better off not asking you to cook supper for me, right?

Was this not a judgement?
Personally, a human being should speak more humbly.

It certainly appears to be a judgement, though one crouching behind a veil of humility. :hammering:

Of course, these judgements are clear…patronisation, paternalism, marginalisation, superiority attitudes and prejudice.

I will judge acts such as these just as society has judged them in the past with the way indigenous populations have been persecuted. These acts are judged and are as clear as the judgements on murder and arson. They are all clear. No ambiguity…

But to judge ALL other religions as being deficient, is similarly clear.

No one in this thread can name one deficient teaching in the Baha’i religion and I challenge everyone to find one.

To tell me that a religion is deficient because the MYSTERY of the Trinity is elaborated with an alternative perspective lacks humility, charity or the fruits of the Spirit.

Otherwise such acts, and those that condone such acts lacking charity, thought and beauty will be judged for what they clearly are. No ambiguity…

 

[TonyBS]

Not you, then?
Let me get this straight…

…you are saying that you – and no one else for that matter – are able to distinguish between a stick and nourishing food with reference to spiritual matters?

Then, I suppose I am better off not asking you to cook supper for me, right?

Was this not a judgement?
Personally, a human being should speak more humbly.

It certainly appears to be a judgement, though one crouching behind a veil of humility. :hammering:

No - The suggestion was God is our Judge and it is God that chooses between right and wrong.

Servant was saying it is for us to be Humble and to refrain from comments that denote a superior belief over another.

The words used judge themselves and thus reflect what is within us.

These passage reflects the advice Servant was offering;

Luke 6:37 “Do not judge, and you will not be judged. Do not condemn, and you will not be condemned. Forgive, and you will be forgiven”.

Matthew 12:36"But I tell you that every careless word that people speak, they shall give an accounting for it in the day of judgment. 37"For by your words you will be justified, and by your words you will be condemned."

Now Back to Muhammad in the Bible

God Bless and Regards Tony

 

[MartinJordan]

Of course, these judgements are clear…patronisation, paternalism, marginalisation, superiority attitudes and prejudice.

I will judge acts such as these just as society has judged them in the past with the way indigenous populations have been persecuted. These acts are judged and are as clear as the judgements on murder and arson. They are all clear. No ambiguity…

But to judge ALL other religions as being deficient, is similarly clear.

No one in this thread can name one deficient teaching in the Baha’i religion and I challenge everyone to find one.

To tell me that a religion is deficient because the MYSTERY of the Trinity is elaborated with an alternative perspective lacks humility, charity or the fruits of the Spirit.

Otherwise such acts, and those that condone such acts lacking charity, thought and beauty will be judged for what they clearly are. No ambiguity…

Servant, the Fruits of the Spirit is the Church’s definition. It was the Church who gave it. Let it go.

MJ

 

[Servant19]

Servant, the Fruits of the Spirit is the Church’s definition. It was the Church who gave it. Let it go.

MJ

Yes and where in this Church is it stated that all other religions are “deficient”?

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[MartinJordan]

Yes and where in this Church is it stated that all other religions are “deficient”?

Start a thread?

MJ

 

[friardchips]

Of course, these judgements are clear…patronisation, paternalism, marginalisation, superiority attitudes and prejudice.

I will judge acts such as these just as society has judged them in the past with the way indigenous populations have been persecuted. These acts are judged and are as clear as the judgements on murder and arson. They are all clear. No ambiguity…

But to judge ALL other religions as being deficient, is similarly clear.

No one in this thread can name one deficient teaching in the Baha’i religion and I challenge everyone to find one.

To tell me that a religion is deficient because the MYSTERY of the Trinity is elaborated with an alternative perspective lacks humility, charity or the fruits of the Spirit.

Otherwise such acts, and those that condone such acts lacking charity, thought and beauty will be judged for what they clearly are. No ambiguity…

Hi. To interject, you are incorrect on three counts, in your posts to PP.

1. There is a difference between judging what is around us - good and bad - and making a judgement over a person’s soul. Indeed, we are said to judge things for good or bad. How else would people take proper responsible care of their children otherwise or any person, or themselves, for that matter.
2. Not doing the above leads people into moral and religious relativism that says that anyone can believe and do and express anything and there is no obligation to guide that person towards a more informed outlook and enlightened understanding - ‘anything goes’, which I already expressed a while back but very unsatisfactorily had various parts of my posts ignored (also expressed) by a certain poster.
3. (In bold) - you are making judgments as to why the person you’re arguing with is expressing his opinion of a certain subject and you are reading these as “patronisation”, “superior attitude” and “prejudice”, when in actual fact. the only judgment you could be entitled to make is to say about consequences i.e:- “marginalisation”, because this is the only term, which does not describe personal judgement. “Paternalism” is about groups not individuals, unless you are saying that the Church as a whole, does this.