Is Muhammad True Or False Prophet?

[inJESUS]

The Catholic Church has reported, for example, that over 6000 adults were baptised in one Catholic church in Khartoum on Easter night alone in 1995. This statement was documented by Africa Watch. (12) Several Christian groups have reported considerable church work and proselytising. The Jesus Fellowship Church and Dawn Ministries, for example, stated in 1996 that 3.21 million people saw the Jesus film,based on Luke’s Gospel, in Sudan in 1995 alone, after which 1.62 million people it was claimed “showed great interest in Christianity”. (13)

this is taken from sudanese embassy…so as you see, people convert from islam to Cristianity which is much harder that converting from Christianity to islam. Reports of people converting are inadequate cuz of fear…so just save the thread you long posts coz they serve no purpose.

 

[freedomm]

inJESUS:

and who cares what this enlightened father did? freedom loves to quote such stuff as if we don’t find on internet stories of devout pious muslims who converted…just hopeless…

Dear inJESUS:

The whole idea is to make people realise that not everyone in the world is close-minded. Let’s not forget the fact that everyone is responsible for his/her own actions.

Surah Al-An’am [6:164]

قُلْ أَغَيْرَ اللّهِ أَبْغِي رَبًّا وَهُوَ رَبُّ كُلِّ شَيْءٍ وَلاَ تَكْسِبُ كُلُّ نَفْسٍ إِلاَّ عَلَيْهَا وَلاَ تَزِرُ وَازِرَةٌ وِزْرَ أُخْرَى ثُمَّ إِلَى رَبِّكُم مَّرْجِعُكُمْ فَيُنَبِّئُكُم بِمَا كُنتُمْ فِيهِ تَخْتَلِفُونَ

Say: "Shall I seek for (my) Cherisher other than Allah, when He is the Cherisher of all things (that exist)? Every soul draws the meed of its acts on none but itself: no bearer of burdens can bear of burdens can bear the burden of another. Your goal in the end is towards Allah. He will tell you the truth of the things wherein ye disputed."

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Surah Fatir [35:18]

وَلَا تَزِرُ وَازِرَةٌ وِزْرَ أُخْرَى وَإِن تَدْعُ مُثْقَلَةٌ إِلَى حِمْلِهَا لَا يُحْمَلْ مِنْهُ شَيْءٌ وَلَوْ كَانَ ذَا قُرْبَى إِنَّمَا تُنذِرُ الَّذِينَ يَخْشَوْنَ رَبَّهُم بِالغَيْبِ وَأَقَامُوا الصَّلَاةَ وَمَن تَزَكَّى فَإِنَّمَا يَتَزَكَّى لِنَفْسِهِ وَإِلَى اللَّهِ الْمَصِيرُ

Nor can a bearer of burdens bear another’s burdens if one heavily laden should call another to (bear) his load. Not the least portion of it can be carried (by the other). Even though he be nearly related. Thou canst but admonish such as fear their Lord unseen and establish regular Prayer. And whoever purifies himself does so for the benefit of his own soul; and the destination (of all) is to Allah.

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Surah Az-Zumar [39:7]

إِن تَكْفُرُوا فَإِنَّ اللَّهَ غَنِيٌّ عَنكُمْ وَلَا يَرْضَى لِعِبَادِهِ الْكُفْرَ وَإِن تَشْكُرُوا يَرْضَهُ لَكُمْ وَلَا تَزِرُ وَازِرَةٌ وِزْرَ أُخْرَى ثُمَّ إِلَى رَبِّكُم مَّرْجِعُكُمْ فَيُنَبِّئُكُم بِمَا كُنتُمْ تَعْمَلُونَ إِنَّهُ عَلِيمٌ بِذَاتِ الصُّدُورِ

**If ye reject ((Allah)), Truly Allah hath no need of you; but He liketh not ingratitude from His servants: if ye are grateful, He is pleased with you. No bearer of burdens can bear the burden of another. In the end, to your Lord is your Return, when He will tell you the truth of all that ye did (in this life). for He knoweth well all that is in (men’s) hearts. **

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[inJESUS]

so why did your prophet ordain killing to those who “chose” other than islam?

 

[freedomm]

Dear inJESUS:

Unfortunately you cannot convert any Muslims through intellectual debate/dialogue/evidence. There may be some ignorant “Muslims” who are getting converted due to Christian missionaries’ deceptive methods, such as taking advantage of poor ignorant peoples’ poverty and converting them in return of food or shelter. This is not a decent way to convert nor it is acceptable in the eyes of God. You supposed to prove/convince your case rationally, intellectually and in a meaningfull and decent manner.

The examples that I showed you were of learned people of Christiandom whose minds are not ceased and they have been looking for truth. So the whole idea is to make you and peole like you realise that not everyone in the world is close-minded. Let’s not forget the fact that everyone is responsible for his/her own actions.

Surah Al-An’am [6:164]

**قُلْ أَغَيْرَ اللّهِ أَبْغِي رَبًّا وَهُوَ رَبُّ كُلِّ شَيْءٍ وَلاَ تَكْسِبُ كُلُّ نَفْسٍ إِلاَّ عَلَيْهَا وَلاَ تَزِرُ وَازِرَةٌ وِزْرَ أُخْرَى ثُمَّ إِلَى رَبِّكُم مَّرْجِعُكُمْ فَيُنَبِّئُكُم بِمَا كُنتُمْ فِيهِ تَخْتَلِفُونَ **

Say: "Shall I seek for (my) Cherisher other than Allah, when He is the Cherisher of all things (that exist)? Every soul draws the meed of its acts on none but itself: no bearer of burdens can bear of burdens can bear the burden of another. Your goal in the end is towards Allah. He will tell you the truth of the things wherein ye disputed."

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Here is an another example:

**Dr. Jerald F. Dirks ** is a former minister (deacon) of the United Methodist Church. He holds a Master’s degree in Divinity from Harvard University and a Doctorate in Psychology from the University of Denver. Author of “The Cross and the Crescent: An Interfaith Dialogue between Christianity and Islam” (2001), and “Abraham: The Friend of God” (2002). He has published over 60 articles in the field of clinical psychology, and over 150 articles on Arabian horses.

Read his story in his own words:

A CHRISTIAN MINISTER’S CONVERSION TO ISLAM

Jerald F. Dirks, M.Div., Psy.D.

"By age 17, when I began my freshman year at Harvard College, my decision to enter the ministry had solidified. During my freshman year, I enrolled in a two-semester course in comparative religion, which was taught by Wilfred Cantwell Smith, whose specific area of expertise was Islam. During that course, I gave far less attention to Islam, than I did to other religions, such as Hinduism and Buddhism, as the latter two seemed so much more esoteric and strange to me. In contrast, Islam appeared to be somewhat similar to my own Christianity. As such, I didn’t concentrate on it as much as I probably should have, although I can remember writing a term paper for the course on the concept of revelation in the Qur’an…

Details:
thetruereligion.org/modules/xfsection/article.php?articleid=241

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[inJESUS]

a question: based on what do muslims say mohammad was illiterate? hadith or quran? some quotes are appreciated.

 

[freedomm]

inJESUS:

so why did your prophet ordain killing to those who “chose” other than islam?

Dear inJESUS:

Because unfortunately you don’t know the whole context.

No one was forced to embrace Islam. Converting people to Islam through force is meaningless in Islam.

Surah Al-Baqara [2:256]

لاَ إِكْرَاهَ فِي الدِّينِ قَد تَّبَيَّنَ الرُّشْدُ مِنَ الْغَيِّ فَمَنْ يَكْفُرْ بِالطَّاغُوتِ وَيُؤْمِن بِاللّهِ فَقَدِ اسْتَمْسَكَ بِالْعُرْوَةِ الْوُثْقَىَ لاَ انفِصَامَ لَهَا وَاللّهُ سَمِيعٌ عَلِيمٌ

**Let there be no compulsion in religion: Truth stands out clear from Error: whoever rejects evil and believes in Allah hath grasped the most trustworthy hand-hold, that never breaks. And Allah heareth and knoweth all things. **​

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Keep in mind that Prophet Muhammed (PBUH) and his companions were forced to leave their birth place–Makkatul-Mukarramah. Mushrikeen (unbelievers) tortured and killed many of Prophet’s followers and conspired to kill him in the early days of his Prophethood.

Then later, when Muslims conquered their hometown, many of the Mushrikeen leaders of his tribe were filled with fear. They feared the conqueror’s retribution. What did the Prophet (PBUH) do? He told them: “Go. You are free!” This is Prophet Muhammed (PBUH), sent as a Mercy for whole mankind to teach us all ‘the whole truth’, as foretold by Prophet Eisa (Jesus)-PBUH.:

Surah Al-Anbiya [21:107]

وَمَا أَرْسَلْنَاكَ إِلَّا رَحْمَةً لِّلْعَالَمِينَ

We sent thee not, but as a Mercy for all creatures.

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Had there been any kind of force used to convert any non-Muslim, then today you would not have found those millions of Coptic Christians and Jews and others in any Arab land.​

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[inJESUS]

Freedom, that was not my question. My question was based on your reply :

Dear inJESUS:

The whole idea is to make people realise that not everyone in the world is close-minded. Let’s not forget the fact that everyone is responsible for his/her own actions.

my question is : was mohammad open-minded when he ordained killing those “open-minded” who “are responsible for their actions” who choose to “seek truth”? or was he close minded and took the right to determine the fate of anyone who does not see the truth in his claims?

 

[inJESUS]

Dear inJESUS:

Unfortunately you cannot convert any Muslims through intellectual debate/dialogue/evidence. There may be some ignorant “Muslims” who are getting converted due to Christian missionaries’ deceptive methods, such as taking advantage of poor ignorant peoples’ poverty and converting them in return of food or shelter. This is not a decent way to convert nor it is acceptable in the eyes of God. You supposed to prove/convince your case rationally, intellectually and in a meaningfull and decent manner.

lol…did this happen at mohammads time and thats why he banned it? so the millions who converted throughout history were ignorant? Maybe i should quote some sheikh who converted? nayy am not hopeless.

and are you trying to say that muslim have great methods? did you know that some muslims pay a monthly salary for each woman who puts a veil for example? Freedom, you show absolutely no logic.

The examples that I showed you were of learned people of Christiandom whose minds are not ceased and they have been looking for truth. So the whole idea is to make you and peole like you realise that not everyone in the world is close-minded. Let’s not forget the fact that everyone is responsible for his/her own actions.

thats why mohammad killed people who are “responsible for their actions”…he was indeed very tolerant and “open-minded”.

Say: "Shall I seek for (my) Cherisher other than Allah, when He is the Cherisher of all things (that exist)? Every soul draws the meed of its acts on none but itself: no bearer of burdens can bear of burdens can bear the burden of another. Your goal in the end is towards Allah. He will tell you the truth of the things wherein ye disputed."
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oh so mr. mohammad contradicted himself or what? no compulsion in religion or compulsion?

Here is an another example:

**Dr. Jerald F. Dirks ** is a former minister (deacon) of the United Methodist Church. He holds a Master’s degree in Divinity from Harvard University and a Doctorate in Psychology from the University of Denver. Author of “The Cross and the Crescent: An Interfaith Dialogue between Christianity and Islam” (2001), and “Abraham: The Friend of God” (2002). He has published over 60 articles in the field of clinical psychology, and over 150 articles on Arabian horses.

Read his story in his own words:

A CHRISTIAN MINISTER’S CONVERSION TO ISLAM

Jerald F. Dirks, M.Div., Psy.D.

"By age 17, when I began my freshman year at Harvard College, my decision to enter the ministry had solidified. During my freshman year, I enrolled in a two-semester course in comparative religion, which was taught by Wilfred Cantwell Smith, whose specific area of expertise was Islam. During that course, I gave far less attention to Islam, than I did to other religions, such as Hinduism and Buddhism, as the latter two seemed so much more esoteric and strange to me. In contrast, Islam appeared to be somewhat similar to my own Christianity. As such, I didn’t concentrate on it as much as I probably should have, although I can remember writing a term paper for the course on the concept of revelation in the Qur’an…

Details:
thetruereligion.org/modules/xfsection/article.php?articleid=241

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oh Lord…hopelessness is killing you…If i quote to you muslim conversions, will you consider that these people found truth? if no, save us your long posts.

 

[Reuben_J]

Muslim:

thanks for posting that, but most people here would just try to debunk it or say those people are misguided, etc.

We are Christians, remember? It is from Christians’ viewpoint that we say that Muhammad is a false prophet. This is based on theology, dogma and belief of Christianity which Islam does not conform to.

The post by **Ishmael’s Child ** cites secular or non-Christian figures’ comments on Muhammad. They may have different opinions and that’s their freedom to do so.

 

[MrS]

freedomm:

Unfortunately you cannot convert any Muslims through intellectual debate/dialogue/evidence. There may be some ignorant “Muslims” who are getting converted due to Christian missionaries’ deceptive methods, such as taking advantage of poor ignorant peoples’ poverty and converting them in return of food or shelter. This is not a decent way to convert nor it is acceptable in the eyes of God.

It was only Muhammad who told the slaves and the oppressed to leave their masters, join him, take from others whatever they wanted … and pay a tax to the false prophet.

The beginnings of Islam were saturated with rebellion by the poor and then violence by them to be “free” They were more free when they were slaves. And 14 hundred years later, the same holds true.

God is Father, not master.

 

[inJESUS]

MrS:

It was only Muhammad who told the slaves and the oppressed to leave their masters, join him, take from others whatever they wanted … and pay a tax to the false prophet.

The beginnings of Islam were saturated with rebellion by the poor and then violence by them to be “free” They were more free when they were slaves. And 14 hundred years later, the same holds true.

God is Father, not master.

no no…mohammad had a high sense of morality…after killing men, he takes their women as war booty and bestows on them the “advantage” of having intercourse with them…you know, after all, what a great gift it is to a woman after killing her family…and allah granted mohammad all his desires…as if God were a geenie and mohammad the master. Whatever mohammad desired, boom, here is allah sending him a revelation

 

[MrS]

inJESUS:

no no…mohammad had a high sense of morality…after killing men, he takes their women as war booty and bestows on them the “advantage” of having intercourse with them…you know, after all, what a great gift it is to a woman after killing her family…and allah granted mohammad all his desires…as if God were a geenie and mohammad the master. Whatever mohammad desired, boom, here is allah sending him a revelation

no wonder so many are so willing to follow his “example”:nope:

In this time of Lent, we can pray that more will see the light of christianity fully found in the Catholic Church… and reject false religions, false prophets, and absurd theology.

 

[Ishmael_s_child]

inJESUS:

so why did your prophet ordain killing to those who “chose” other than islam?

Anyone who dreams or prophesizes anything that is against God, or anyone who tries to turn you from God, is to be put to death. (Deuteronomy 13:5)

If anyone, even your own family suggests worshipping another God, kill them. (Deuteronomy 13:6-10)

If you find out a city worships a different god, destroy the city and kill all of it’s inhabitants… even the animals. (Deuteronomy 13:12-15)

Kill anyone with a different religion. (Deuteronomy 17:2-7)

 

[StMarkEofE]

Ishmael's child:

Anyone who dreams or prophesizes anything that is against God, or anyone who tries to turn you from God, is to be put to death. (Deuteronomy 13:5)

If anyone, even your own family suggests worshipping another God, kill them. (Deuteronomy 13:6-10)

If you find out a city worships a different god, destroy the city and kill all of it’s inhabitants… even the animals. (Deuteronomy 13:12-15)

Kill anyone with a different religion. (Deuteronomy 17:2-7)

Excellent points, I will be eager to see how this is answered.

 

[inJESUS]

Ishmael's child:

Anyone who dreams or prophesizes anything that is against God, or anyone who tries to turn you from God, is to be put to death. (Deuteronomy 13:5)

If anyone, even your own family suggests worshipping another God, kill them. (Deuteronomy 13:6-10)

If you find out a city worships a different god, destroy the city and kill all of it’s inhabitants… even the animals. (Deuteronomy 13:12-15)

Kill anyone with a different religion. (Deuteronomy 17:2-7)

the OT issue is already explained from a Christian point of view.

Now the question is : do the jews kill a jew if he converted? oh my oh my,a big NO…go figure why

 

[Giovanni]

False of course.

Let’s see, the Old Testament points to Jesus, the New Testament is about Jesus, the koran says, no, here is how it really is.
Mmmmmmmmmm! OK. ( but let the Lord be the judge of every man’s heart)

Eashoa’ M’sheekha

 

[Eden]

False.

Much of Islam is based on the pagan beliefs of Muhammed’s family and tribe.

In Christianity, we have the Huleatt Manuscript which was written in 50 A.D. and is actually a prayer addressed to Jesus which calls Jesus “God”. Therefore, Christians have in their possession archeological inscriptions within 20 years of Christ’s resurrection that say he is God. There are no archeological inscriptions dated within 100 years of Muhammad’s death where he is called a prophet.

Plus, the Bible contains over 60 distinct prophecies of Jesus Christ 1000 years beforehand. There are no remarkable prophecies that Muhammad made that were fulfilled.

 

[onesimplemind]

Eden:

False.

Much of Islam is based on the pagan beliefs of Muhammed’s family and tribe.

You forgot about Arianism.

 

[exoflare]

Was Mohammed a False Profit?

LOL I don’t know, but I’ll be anxiously awaiting the results of the vote.

 

[Eden]

freedomm:

I think Father Antony (after his reversion to Islam known as Adulrahman) rejected his Catholicsm due to this:

He didn’t reject Catholicism. He was Orthodox.