Is Muhammed in Purgatory and should we be praying for him?

[Muslim_Woman]

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Why Do You Kill Zaid?

The West is much more violent than the Muslim world. Millions of Arab civilians have been killed since colonialism began…The West must treat the Muslim world just as fairly as it treats Israel. Muslims are worth as much as Jews and Christians

By Jürgen Todenhöfer

informationclearinghouse.info/article21217.htm

Islam Denounces Terrorism

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In 1492, the Jews who refused to convert were exiled from Spain by King Ferdinand and Queen Isabella (above). The Jews were accepted by the Ottoman Empire, a haven of Islamic justice and tolerance.

Thomas Arnold, a British missionary employed in the service of the Indian government, describes that Islam favours freedom in these words:

But of any organised attempt to force the acceptance of Islam on the non-Muslim population, or of any systematic persecution intended to stamp out the Christian religion, we hear nothing.

Had the caliphs chosen to adopt either course of action, they might have swept away Christianity as easily as **Ferdinand and Isabella drove Islam out of Spain, or Louis XIV made Protestantism penal in France, or the Jews were kept out of England for 350 years. **The Eastern Churches in Asia were entirely cut off from communion with the rest of Christendom, throughout which no one would have been found to lift a finger on their behalf, as heretical communions. So that the very survival of these Churches to the present day is a strong proof of the generally tolerant attitude of the Muhammadan governments towards them.

islamdenouncesterrorism.com/terrorism2.htm#1

 

[inJESUS]

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Why Do You Kill Zaid?

The West is much more violent than the Muslim world. Millions of Arab civilians have been killed since colonialism began…The West must treat the Muslim world just as fairly as it treats Israel. Muslims are worth as much as Jews and Christians

By Jürgen Todenhöfer

informationclearinghouse.info/article21217.htm

Muslim Woman,

can you try, just try, to differentiate between the “West” and Christianity? oth Christians and Muslims die in Lebanon when Israel attacks, and the “West” does not say " hey kill only the Muslims" , yet all your “Arab Islamic” countries made a peace treaty with Israel and no one is attacking it to defend the “ummah”. It’s politics, get over your narrow characterization of the “West” as Christian since it is not, wheras the Islamic countries are doing nothing except watching.

 

[Sailka]

Muslim Woman,

can you try, just try, to differentiate between the “West” and Christianity? oth Christians and Muslims die in Lebanon when Israel attacks, and the “West” does not say " hey kill only the Muslims" , yet all your “Arab Islamic” countries made a peace treaty with Israel and no one is attacking it to defend the “ummah”. It’s politics, get over your narrow characterization of the “West” as Christian since it is not, wheras the Islamic countries are doing nothing except watching.

Muslim Woman is generalizing, as we all do.

There is One Problem in the Middle East: Isreal violating every law, including the Oslo accords they signed, by permantly taking Muslim/Palestinian land by Force, from unarmed poor people. Terrorism and occassional rockets are the Palestinians only ‘weapons’, by a tiny fraction of 1%. Plain English, its land theft, unconscionably. It is called 'Settlement". Try Settling your Neighbors land/home and see what happens. Or see what would happen if Native Americans tried to just move in to their native areas by force. By the way, Isreal is the most Atheist population country in the world. A Minority even worship in Synagogue.

 

[oneloveichiai]

creating the state of Israel is called Zionism - Judeo Masonic Secret Society. and most Zionists like the owners of the federal bank (guess what they control the dollar) are setting up Israel for the comming of the dajjal.

muslim woman, i have a few questions
in one of the suras, its states in a few words, Isa, the mesiah, is not the son of Allah.

this goes against a lot christian doctrines, and even if the doctrines were wrong, and they lied to us all about Jesus being the son of God, and Mary being “the mother” of God. then why do the devil worshippers, a former one who converted to christianity like Roger Monreau, state that in the secret occult, they woul sing christian hymns but changed in order they would insult Jesus, like rockstars wearing a cross. what about the apparitions of Jesus, the apparitions of the Virgin Mary, the uncorrupt body of St. Pio, etc?
why dont the devil worshippers insult the prophet Mohammed?
how is it that cristians and muslims can agree in 99%, yet this 1% difference takes away that 99? If Allah wanted to He could have made us into one community, but He didnt and wanted us to learn to co-exist and compete with good actions…

someone has to be lying…

 

[Muslim_Woman]

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…why dont the devil worshippers insult the prophet Mohammed?
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some so-called Christians took this responsibility & bash Muhammed (p) in every possible ways. If u check this forum , u will see that I opened a thread for those Christians who can’t eat & sleep well without using nasty languages against him almost daily.

If u don’t believe me , then write something like sun is red or I love roses etc. . They will immediately relate those with Islam & start bashing Muhammed (p) & will tell u how Muhammed (p) taught Muslims to worship sun or hate flowers etc.

 

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…and the “West” does not say " hey kill only the Muslims" .

what if Gaza were a zoo?

…I tried to imagine: what if Gaza were a zoo? What if the news headlines talked of a nation’s deliberate cruelty to pandas, elephants, and giraffes in their national zoo?

What if the screams for food, shelter, medication, and protection came from animals? What would the people of the civilized world do?

How many action alerts, petitions, and angry protests would there be to Stop the Cruelty to Animals now?

…In the news I see a picture of a frail old man with a hunched back, supported by a flimsy cane, dragging his tired feet on a cold Gaza street, in search of food and medicine.

What if he were an old lion in a neglected cage?

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[bov]

The last time I looked, the West is the only ones standing up for the Muslims. How many millions were liberated in Afgansitan and Iraq in the past 8 years? As I recall it was Muslim raticals killing Muslim citizens in these countries, not westerners. Westerners liberated and freed women oppressed by Muslims.

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Why Do You Kill Zaid?

The West is much more violent than the Muslim world. Millions of Arab civilians have been killed since colonialism began…The West must treat the Muslim world just as fairly as it treats Israel. Muslims are worth as much as Jews and Christians

By Jürgen Todenhöfer

informationclearinghouse.info/article21217.htm

Islam Denounces Terrorism

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In 1492, the Jews who refused to convert were exiled from Spain by King Ferdinand and Queen Isabella (above). The Jews were accepted by the Ottoman Empire, a haven of Islamic justice and tolerance.

Thomas Arnold, a British missionary employed in the service of the Indian government, describes that Islam favours freedom in these words:

But of any organised attempt to force the acceptance of Islam on the non-Muslim population, or of any systematic persecution intended to stamp out the Christian religion, we hear nothing.

Had the caliphs chosen to adopt either course of action, they might have swept away Christianity as easily as **Ferdinand and Isabella drove Islam out of Spain, or Louis XIV made Protestantism penal in France, or the Jews were kept out of England for 350 years. **The Eastern Churches in Asia were entirely cut off from communion with the rest of Christendom, throughout which no one would have been found to lift a finger on their behalf, as heretical communions. So that the very survival of these Churches to the present day is a strong proof of the generally tolerant attitude of the Muhammadan governments towards them.

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[Muslim_Woman]

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… West is the only ones standing up for the Muslims. .

…killing at least 93 civilians, a Pentagon official said, “the people there are dead because we wanted them dead.” The reason? They sympathized with the Taliban

When asked about the Chowkar incident, Rumsfeld replied, "I cannot deal with that particular village.

…When they put bombs in cars and kill people, they’re uncivilized killers. When we put bombs on missiles and kill people, we’re upholding civilized values. When they kill, they’re terrorists. When we kill, we’re striking against terror

cursor.org/stories/civilian_deaths.htm#4

U.S. Killed 90, Including 60 Children, in Afghan Village, U.N. Finds

…60 children were 3 months old to 16 years old, all killed as they slept. “It was a heartbreaking scene,”
… death toll may rise higher, because heavy lifting equipment is needed to uncover all the remains,

nytimes.com/2008/08/27/world/asia/27herat.html

U.S. Admits More Afghan Civilians Killed In Strike

cbs13.com/national/afghan.civilians.killed.2.835899.html

Number Of Iraqis Slaughtered Since

The U.S. Invaded Iraq “1,284,105”

justforeignpolicy.org/iraq/iraqdeaths.html

 

[cthulhubryan]

Number Of Iraqis Slaughtered Since

The U.S. Invaded Iraq “1,284,105”

justforeignpolicy.org/iraq/iraqdeaths.html

It is a terrifyingly high number, but it is also misleading. That number includes all civilian deaths of which the vast majority are not killed by U.S. action but are deaths caused by Iraqi on Iraqi violence or Iranian on Iraqi violence.

Please consider the sources you use. justforeignpolicy.org is hardly a credible source considering that they do not differentiate between military deaths and deaths caused by crazed civilians.
If you check the board of this organization it is stocked with many blame-America-firsters.

 

[inJESUS]

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what if Gaza were a zoo?

am against war, am neither with the Palestinians nor with the Israelites. Both ruined by country and the Palestinians are still ruining it by sheltering terrorists in their camps, the terrorists who kill civilians and army members in my country till today. You want to accuse the West, be my guest, am not a fan of the American politics, but you must as well look to your Islamic nations, among them your Kaaba protectors, who have a peace treaty with Israel and who are doing nothing except watching. If the West is immoral, the arabic nations are as equally immoral if not worse, because they are hyppocrite, calling Israel the devil while having a peace treaty with the devil.

 

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…number includes all civilian deaths of which the vast majority are not killed by U.S. action .

Iraq is under US ; so they can’t avoid the responsibility

 

[Sailka]

The last time I looked, the West is the only ones standing up for the Muslims. How many millions were liberated in Afghanistan and Iraq in the past 8 years? As I recall it was Muslim raticals killing Muslim citizens in these countries, not westerners. Westerners liberated and freed women oppressed by Muslims.

How is Conquering, Killing, Torturing over 100,000, us destroying cultures and lives in at least 2 Muslim Countries “Helping Muslims”? About 150,000 Muslims have died by Our Actions in their countries.

Muslims weren’t killing muslims in Afghanistan. It is an Extremly poor isolated unique culture that Non-vet Bush included in conquering Muslim countries, which is an insane idea. And Iraq, Afghanistan are now very devastated. Best to say Totally Devastated. Those Cultures were living together Very Well, before. The Muslim Sects killing Muslim Sects was only the Genocidal regime of Saddam Hussein, Totally supported financially and in ‘Dirty War’ weapons by the Reagan admimnistration 1980’s and following. Gulf War 1 and Close inspections stopped any more Saddam atrocities, several years before Bush ‘conquered’ 100% uninvolved in 9/11 Iraq immediatelly after. No terrorism or executkions, and no WMD were heavily documented Before our No Reason to Conquest of Iraq.
And how would We feel if another Culture country Militarily conquered Us? And set Their culture and governmemntal system up on Us? Know that The Problem in Both Afghanistan and Iraq is No working reliable government, or Government Services like water, schools, transportation?

 

[cthulhubryan]

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Iraq is under US ; so they can’t avoid the responsibility

There is no logic in your statement. Iraqi troops are assaulted by Iranian Revolutionary Guards and it is the fault of the U.S.?

By that same logic any imam who issues a fatwa that results in the death of innocents should be found guilty of those deaths and be decapitated as is required under Shari’a?

 

[oneloveichiai]

muslim woman, your answer was very weak.

my concern isnt about bashing mohamed. my concern is that, if the koran says that Jesus is not the Son of God, and in the bible it says that it is. if Mohamed’s God is the same as abrahams, moses, and Jesus… if this were so, the story has to be consitent from the creation of God, till Jesus, and the addon of Mohamed. up until Sura at-Tawba Juzu 10 Versu 24 (im not sure how im supposed to quote) it says (im translating from spanish to english) and the jews say: Uzayr is the son of Allah, and the christians say: the mesiah is the son of Allah (who is Azayr?) These are the word of what is being repeated by those who have fallen into “desbelief” Let Allah destrory them! their falsehood!

now, since we follow one God, and agreeing that Allah is God, God of Abrahm, Moses, Jesus, Mohamed. then taking into consideration what the Bible says and the Koran, someone is hiding the truth. both can not be right, or else both “religions” are completely different. both Gods are completely different, yet they seem the same, Understanding, Mercifull, Compasive, and Just. in conclusion, one has to be right, one has to be wrong? the truth is out there. someone has to be hinding something…

 

[Sailka]

There is no logic in your statement. [SIGN]

Iraqi troops are assaulted by Iranian Revolutionary Guards

There are NO Iranian Revolutionary Guards aussulting Iraqi troops. You been “had” by that one. And there is One Santa Clause for the entire world?

You don’t know Islam if you think any sinner Has to be executed, or Immams are fatwaing killing innocents. The Over Million Deaths in Iraq, Afghanistan Are result of Non-Vet Bush/Chaney Republican preselected Agenda 2000 of using US military might to ‘Conquer all Islamic Countries into democracies’. But this is Not the site for those.

The Catholic Church respects Islam, and all faiths. USA politiscians with No war experience created all the Problems since 2001.

 

[cthulhubryan]

There are NO Iranian Revolutionary Guards aussulting Iraqi troops. You been “had” by that one.

You are right, I should have said Iranian and Iraqi forces trained by the revolutionary guards.

 

[Sailka]

You are right, I should have said Iranian and Iraqi forces trained by the revolutionary guards.

Iranian Revolutionary Guards training Iraqi’s is Essential false Political Hype, aka as lies. And certainly not In Iraq. I have friends and Know several that served there, and they all say there is a Lot of false political hype about what is happening in Iraq. Mich of the falsehoods has been covered by Media, Like El Graibe, Who incacerated at Guantanamo, etc, etc, etc. I support our servicemen and their Families ( Have Several I know) 10,000%, but think the non-veteran civilian Political leaders must be Tried in Court.

I have Major warfare experience myself. But we need to return to the OP.

 

[Agabriel]

Hello All,

I’m not sure if this is the right forum for this question. If not, please let me know. This is my first post. I just joined today, but have been “lurking” in the forums for awhile.

Anyhow, my question is related to my belief that each person is responsible if they cause another person to sin. If so, is Muhammed in Purgatory and suffering more for each sin committed in the name of Islam?

I am a Catholic and admittedly do not understand Islam completely. IMHO, Muhammed was completely misguided and made this stuff up so that he could have sexual relations with whomever he wanted. Please correct my understanding if it is wrong: A Muslim man may have 4 permanent wives and as many “temporary” wives as he wants. The temporary marriage can be for 1 hour/1week/1 month/whatever. Also, if a Muslim man divorces his wife (“I divorce you” 3 times) and later decides he wants to remarry his wife, the couple goes to a mediator. After mediating, the wife has to have sex with the mediator, wait a certain period of time (? until she has her menstrual cycle ?) and then the couple can remarry. (Please correct me if I misunderstood what I read.)

In any event, I genuinely believe that these multiple marriages are sins. However, a Muslim who has been raised this way and doesn’t know any better is just following what he/she has been taught. Are they then not responsible for these sins, but Muhammed is since he started this practice?

And, should we be praying for his soul if he is in Purgatory. I frequently pray for all the souls in purgatory and specifically for my deceased relatives, but should I pray for Muhammed? Please note that I am not trying to be funny or disrespectful. I take praying for deceased people VERY seriously.

Sorry this is so long, and Thank you for your (name removed by moderator)ut.

JAY53

I don’t think it is for us to judge. I think he had a lot of brain abnormalities some of which he was born with and others brought on because he was rejected (or could be perceived as such as a child) because his father died when he was young, his mother gave him away to a wet nurse and the wet nurse gave him back to his mother and his mother died shortly thereafter. That could be very traumatic for a child.

Now, who is/are the real nut(s)? A guy like Muhammad or the ones who followed such a character without questioning and realizing how wrong he was to just want to kill, loot, etc?

This might not answer your question, but there could be quite a number of people like Muhammad in Purgatory such as Hitler, Stalin, etc. They could have had real physical problems in their brains too. Who knows? Just ‘pray for anyone in Purgatory’ you don’t really have to know their names do you?

 

[requiemaeturnum]

While I do pray for the souls of people like Hitler and Stalin (Stalin was actually a seminarian once upon a time…), I do not believe Mohammed is in Purgatory.

First, because he was unbaptised.
Second, because he promulgated the heresy of Mohammedanism, explicitly denied the Divinity of Christ, and his followers persecute us to this day.

EDIT: Also, in the Divine Comedy, although it is a work of fiction, Dante sees Mohammed and Ali burning along with other heretics in Hell. He places Salahudin in Purgatory though. The poem received great praise from Popes and is very accurate about the Catholic beliefs of what Hell, Purgatory, and Heaven are like.

Muslim_Woman- seriously, stop grouping Catholics with the U.S. I do not know a single Catholic that is a supporter of the U.S. Stop throwing around words like “Christian” as well- most of the people over here are atheist or Protestant.

And if you want to play the “who saved the most Jews” game- then look at Pope Pius XII. End of story.