You can say that till youre’ blue in your face but the evidence shows otherwise. Our world is warming… You sited NOAA before… These are the ten signs that our world is warming take your time to peruse through it…actually it is doing neither
Is this before or after they manipulated the numbers?
Oh Bob. Bob Bob… you are convinced they manipulated numbers that’s always what it comes down to, the scientists are lying so I suppose we’re done talking. Have a good day and God bless you!!Is this before or after they manipulated the numbers?
You are aware that NASA manipulated the numbers aren’t you? They didn’t try to hide it.Oh Bob. Bob Bob… you are convinced they manipulated numbers that’s always what it comes down to, the scientists are lying so I suppose we’re done talking. Have a good day and God bless you!!
Hi Karen,I’m sorry ferd but I’m not following it very well.
Of course they didn’t hide it. They often have to correct the data so it more actually reflects reality and is more valid. Nothing new there.You are aware that NASA manipulated the numbers aren’t you? They didn’t try to hide it.
It is the attribution of tornadoes to AGW that is problematic, not that they are occurring.I can tell you we’ve had a rise in tornadic activity. Just the other day another touch down in northern Michigan and almost hit my friends. I’m tired of going into the basement. I"m tired of calling my son who lives an hour away from me in tornado alley. I’m sorry for the man who lost his life the other day in a weather related event and the warnings… I’m wish I didn’t hear about all the storms my relatives are having in Texas during hurricane season. It’s not rain rain rain it’s storm storm STORM! NOAA confirms I’m right!
ncdc.noaa.gov/sotc/tornadoes/201506
Tornadoes ARE problematic!!It is the attribution of tornadoes to AGW that is problematic, not that they are occurring.
I agree they change it dated reflective t their reality. The reality was a world wasn’t warming. But they were heavily invested in a reality that it was. So presto-chango let’s ramp that temperatures up to reflect their reality. The global warming myth is going to so seriously damage the credibility of scientists it will take generations for people to trust them again. And it is sad that the church has involved themselves in this as our enemies will use this, as they have used the Gallileo incident for 500 years, to tell us how we’re just a bunch of superstitious simpletons who have no place in the real worldOf course they didn’t hide it. They often have to correct the data so it more actually reflects reality and is more valid. Nothing new there.
Sometimes the correction is downwards and sometime upwards.
No one except people who really don’t know how science is done is objecting to scientists adjusting the data. Sheesh. Get over it already.
Here are plenty of good rebuttals to your myth that warming is made up from manipulated data – skepticalscience.com/2015-SkS-News-Bulletin-1-Temp-Records.html
And here is an explanation by a climate scientist: realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2015/02/noise-on-the-telegraph/
However, if you don’t believe the thermometer data and their corrections, then there are plenty of other indicators that warming is happening…such as disappearing arctic ice, glaciers, and ice and snow cover around the world. Seasonal shifts for plants and animals. 1000s of scientists are documenting such changes that go well beyond temperature data. The science behind AGW is quite robust from many different angles.
But that’s not true! You’re letting a myth that our world isn’t suffering the effect of AGW bring you into inaction. Just like people said that Galileo was wrong. As Christians we have the responsibility to speak out against injustices to the poor and destruction of our world due to what we’re doing. Love God and Love One Another, we can’t love either if we don’t do our part in protecting the environment that we live in.I agree they change it dated reflective t their reality. **The reality was a world wasn’t warming. **But they were heavily invested in a reality that it was. So presto-chango let’s ramp that temperatures up to reflect their reality. The global warming myth is going to so seriously damage the credibility of scientists it will take generations for people to trust them again. And it is sad that the church has involved themselves in this as our enemies will use this, as they have used the Gallileo incident for 500 years, to tell us how we’re just a bunch of superstitious simpletons who have no place in the real world
I don’t know where you got the idea that I wasn’t taking action to protect the environment. P I am disappointed that we wasting trillions of dollars chasing this myth down that could be spent much better on real threats to the environment . Do you have any idea how much help the $500 million given to Solyndra would have been to Third World countries trying to provide clean drinking water for their citizens ? Don’t you believe the money wasted giving credits to people to put windmills in their yards and drive electric cars could have been much better used fighting deforestation ?But that’s not true! You’re letting a myth that our world isn’t suffering the effect of AGW bring you into inaction. Just like people said that Galileo was wrong. As Christians we have the responsibility to speak out against injustices to the poor and destruction of our world due to what we’re doing. Love God and Love One Another, we can’t love either if we don’t do our part in protecting the environment that we live in.
What makes discussing this topic with you so frustrating is that you won’t take a position and stick with it. Here you assert that global temperatures are still warming (present tense) while in an earlier post (#260) you cited several sources acknowledging that it is in fact not warming, that we are in a “pause”.I didn’t talk about weather, I talked about global temperature…
Oh so the world is not cooling! That’s no surprise because it’s WARMING!
If you did not know what I meant, remember what I said earlier:Tornadoes ARE problematic!!
This argument is valid for all kinds of weather events. I am sorry you are enduring this, but to blame it on AGW is not a proposition that is realistic.The number of tornadoes, per month, year, decade, by type, etc., has been affected by different reporting methods over the years. There are recent studies that claim that after reporting bias adjustments there is a slight negative, slight positive, and no trend observed since 1950. This was pointed out in the public comments of the 2014 draft of the National Climate Assessment.
This means evidence that AGW is responsible for increased frequency, magnitude or damage caused by tornadoes during the reporting period is equivocal at best, and most likely not at all.
From the 2014 National Climate Assessment Report, “Climate Change Impacts in the United States”, Appendix 3, Climate Science Supplement, Supplemental Message 9, P770:All the winter snow melts and spring and early summer rains have contributed to rising rivers and a massive flooding problem in Illinois! I kid you not this has been crazy!!
And ask yourself what do the people do when the water comes in their basements and they don’t have flood insurance or any means to deal with this. In Chicago they’ve made it so the Chicago river flows in reverse so when it rains like this they open up some locks to release water and then it backs up in the basement of some areas where theres not alot of affluency. Illinois has tried to fix the problem by making deep tunnels to collect the water but it’s not working as well as they’d like. Now they’re talking about utilizing an old quarry to help. Its ’ still not going to help with all the local flooding because there’s no where for the water that’s coming down so quickly to go but in peoples homes. And then California has been experiencing drought that is causing wildfires.
Nice citation that once again shows the difference betweenwhat the public has been led to believe the scientists are saying, and what the scientists have actually said.From the 2014 National Climate Assessment Report, “Climate Change Impacts in the United States”, Appendix 3, Climate Science Supplement, Supplemental Message 9, P770:
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In other words, they don’t know.
“Attribution science” is improving by leaps and bounds. Ten years ago they used to say, “We cannot say if this particular hurricane was made more forceful by climate change, we can only say that climate change is making hurricanes in general more forceful, or the dice are now loaded for those types of extreme weather events” – which itself, vague as it was about specific storms, should have been plenty to get people to start reducing their GHG emissions … at least those people concerned about life on earth.It is the attribution of tornadoes to AGW that is problematic, not that they are occurring.