Is President Trump pro-life/pro-choice

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I literally couldn’t care less what Mr. Trump’s opinion on abortion is (except insofar as it affects his own soul). What I do care about is that his presidency has resulted in concrete advances for the pro-life movement.

Here’s my question for you, OP: Why do you care, and why are you here asking us ‘what we think’ about a stranger’s private beliefs re: pro-choice/pro-life? Literally, why do you (and why should we) care what a politician thinks on the inside, so long as their actions on the outside have positive results?
 
Wow ok so since some Priests secretly had bad motives Trump must secretly have bad motives.
 
Not at all. Re read my post and you will see that I suggest the new and growing fast American Solidarity Party whose platform is in every way the Catholic Social Justice teaching.
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The problem is, no one from that party is going to win the presidency. I never even heard of them until you mentioned it.

Like it or not, we essentially operate on a two-party system in America. A third-party candidate has almost zero chance of winning. So, even though Trump’s positions may not be perfectly in line with Catholic teaching, I’d rather vote for whose positions are the closest that actually has a chance to win.
 
NoelFitz said:
As an Irish Catholic I would not believe anything he says. I do not consider him, in spite of my tolerant, non-judgmental Christian attitude, a person of integrity.
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Given that Ireland just voted to legalize abortion , I don’t think we’re in position to lecture Trump on abortion . I say this as someone born & raised in Ireland
 
Aquinas11 said:
Wow ok so since some Priests secretly had bad motives Trump must secretly have bad motives.
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People have definite uneasy feelings about Trumps political sincerity. That is a completely legitimate sense to discern upon. Others take him at ‘face value’. That’s fine too.
 
I get it, my parents hate Trump & attend Mass every Sunday. They’re really torn on voting (I’m
Done trying convince them vote Trump). I didn’t know about that Solidarity party I’ll share thst w them thanks!
 
The proof is in President Trump’s ACTIONS:
  • appointed over 100 Judges who rule according to the Constitution and religious liberty, as opposed to Judges who create their own laws from the bench
  • Stopped Tax Dollars Funding Abortion Overseas
    President Trump not only reinstated the Mexico City Policy, but expanded it to the new Protecting Life in Global Health Assistance program. The new Trump policy protects over $8.8 billion overseas aid from funding abortion.
  • enacted the “Right to Try”, in which those with terminal illness have the right to attempt experimental drugs, hoping for a cure
  • granted our veterans the right to avoid long wait times in the VA, and go to another health care provider
  • eliminated the forced abortifacient coverage that existed in Obamacare for churches and other Christian businesses
  • eliminated President Obama’s fornication-promoting $100 million per year sex-education program
  • executive order allowing churches’ free speech and religious liberty
  • refused to defend Obama’s transgender bathroom financial blackmail against schools
  • withdrew U.S. funding from the abortion-promoting U.N. Population Fund
  • created New Office for Conscience Protection at HHS
  • In May 2019, the Trump administration finalized new regulations to strengthen enforcement of federal laws protecting the conscience rights of health care workers who do not want to participate in abortion.
  • Now PRO-LIFE women’s health centers receive the funds previously earmarked for Planned Parenthood in Title X.
  • Canceled Huge Contract for Taxpayer-Funded Experimentation with Body Parts of Aborted Babies.
    Some of the information above came from the link below:
    President Trump’s Pro-Life Wins - Susan B. Anthony List
 
NoelFitz said:
suspect his current pro-life stand is a negotiating ploy to gain votes
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That may well be, but that’s pretty much the definition of any politician. Look how many politicians became pro gay marriage when it became vogue. Part of representing people is doing what they want.

What I care about is the policies they put forward. That’s all that really matters.
 
It doesn’t matter what a president says about abortion; it matters what he does. President Trump’s actions on the issue of abortion have been far more pro-life than any president in recent decades, and quite opposite of the pro-abortion promises made by every Democratic candidate.
 
Donald Trump is so wishy-washy, who knows where he stands on any issue any given day.
He looks at polls and follows suit.
For most of his life, he was pro-choice, but in more recent years he had reversed course because you can’t get anywhere in the Republican Party as a pro-choice advocate.
I think he would do anything or say anything to stay in office.
 
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This false dichotomy is one of the most devastating flaws of the US system.

The “you’re a bad Catholic…and you must want to kill babies to boot If you don’t support Trump” rhetoric of some of his supporters is very much below the belt and uncalled for.
 
Not so secret. His public life is there for all to see. Decades of it. And there is a LOT that any good Catholic would have to objectively condemn. The constant lying. His bizarre refusal to admit that he’s wrong (the sharpie weather map, anyone?) The constant demeaning name calling. His third, objectively invalid marriage to a non-practicing Catholic. His history of adultery. His cameo in a porn video. His many questionable business practices, including his former charity that has been shutdown by the state of New York for illegal use of funds. His very questionable close associates, some of whom are now in jail.

The policies enacted by his administration in regards to abortion are objectively good. Praiseworthy even. Definitely can’t deny that…but based on his public words and actions, he is not the sort of man I would want to follow or get behind.
 
For most of his life, he was pro-choice, but in more recent years he had reversed course because you can’t get anywhere in the Republican Party as a pro-choice advocate.
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So… if that’s the case, couldn’t he have just run as a Democrat?

Holding one’s past against them if they seem to have truly repented of their ways is not a Christian practice. Trump’s actions tell me more than whatever he said before he ran for President, and his actions indicate he’s probably the most pro-life President we’ve had.
 
He could have run as an affiliate of either party, but he chose to run as a Republican and to change his stance on this issue. As I said, he is a politician. For years he was on television and very concerned with his ratings.
 
VonDerTann said:
Emeraldlady, i respectfully disagree: anyone can bash Trump then turn around and claim to support some obscure tiny party with like 6 adherents, or, worse, some party that basically doesn’t exist beyond some pipe dream.
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The American Solidarity Party might be small compared to the Republican and Democratic parties, but it certainly has more than “like 6 adherents” and all the evidence that I’ve seen indicates they’re growing steadily.
 
We can, and sometimes must, judge the public words and actions of public persons.
I am a sinner… so because I’m a sinner, I must disregard Mr. Trump’s public sins and get behind him? Don’t get the logic there. To my mind, and in traditional Catholic thought, leaders, even secular ones, should be called to a high moral standard- in all things.
 
They remain what they are: an obscure third party with zero likelihood of winning a major election in the near future.
 
Twf, essentially every one of your comments about Trump are mere opinion, yet even were they factual, they would be equally applicable to any Democrat candidate in recent years - whether Obama; Sanders; Buttigeig; whoever, with one major difference: they’ve all embraced pro abortionists and a pro-abortion platform but Trump hasn’t.
 
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