Is RCIA too great a barrier of entry into the Church?

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I am not Catholic but have a thirst for its knowledge…I’m self studying and am influenced by my Catholic friends…I love the opportunity to discuss what I’ve read (from various sources) and have the opportunirty to ask quesions without me having the guilt of feeling blasphemous…I have a couple of regular posters on this site who have given me so much at my pace…trying to get onto RCIA is a barrier in itself in England but I wouldn’t be where I am now without my friends here. 🙂
 
As an ex-Protestant pastor I was hurried on to my confirmation as a Catholic without any time in any version of an RCIA program. At the time it seemed nice because I wanted to be “in.” It turns out the two priests who concluded I should just go ahead and be confirmed were far from traditional Catholic believers themselves, and were not interested in explaining or defending (in a friendly/helpful way) beliefs that were not really a part of their own lives. Almost immediately after this I was a full-time member of the staff at my church. One of the things that was truly a scandal to me at the time was the way the priest would denigrate our Bishop in front of me and the deacon/seminarian who was back at his home church for part of the summer. Soon, I was a burnt out, lonely, nonpracticing Catholic. It was only years later that I came back.

Again, although it seemed nice at the time: the lack of a positive Catholic role model in my life at that point; the missed opportunities to explore, discuss, and study regarding questions or potential points of confusion or concern; and the opportunity to interact with others seeking their way in the Catholic Church are losses that I am still working my way through years later – hence my username.
 
I am not Catholic but have a thirst for its knowledge…I’m self studying and am influenced by my Catholic friends…I love the opportunity to discuss what I’ve read (from various sources) and have the opportunirty to ask quesions without me having the guilt of feeling blasphemous…I have a couple of regular posters on this site who have given me so much at my pace…trying to get onto RCIA is a barrier in itself in England but I wouldn’t be where I am now without my friends here. 🙂
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Another thing that really bugged me, was the issue of abortion, homosexual unions, and such topics were deliberately set aside and not discussed. Even when I asked the head instructor why we didn’t talk about it, he said it would ruffle too many feathers or something very similar. It’s been awhile. It bugs me because I feel that there are too many “Catholics” who think these things are okay, and to me, you CAN’T be Catholic and believe these things are okay. And what about the scandals? Again, these are contemporary issues that aren’t being addressed, or at least they weren’t at the RCIA we went to. Maybe that’s not the case everywhere. But people are losing their faith because of these things, and people are thinking that Catholicism is just another religion that sounds better than the last one so why not join it and if I don’t like a lot of it, just pick and choose, and if I find I don’t like it at all, then just move on.
It really depends on the teacher/parish. The person who teaches RCIA at my parish is very liberal. In the “let your conscious dictate” school of thought. Also, they freely admit that they are not as conservative as “the Company” and that we are free to think they are “full of it”.

I had the opposite problem. We spent a lot of time talking about the sex abuse scandals in the church.

My husband went through RCIA at a different parish and it was a lot more conservative than the parish I took RCIA at. Comparing experiences has been enlightening.
 
Okay I went through RCIA in 2011-2012. I was in it about 8 months. First a two year program would be too much because we are much more mobile these days. In my area most people move every two or three years. But I wish we had more of a follow up after the Easter Vigil. I feel we needed encouragement to keep going to parish events and perhaps some help dealing with some of the issues that came up after we were released from RCIA.😛 A couple of the RCIA group had issues with certain personnel in the parish. I feel that if they had been encouraged to talk about it with more experienced Catholics they would not have been looking for another parish. I give that as an example.

As far as the content, I feel the instruction for RCIA needs to be tailored to the group. I came in as a practicing Christian and I didn’t need the Trinity explained to me but I wish we had spent more time on the Sacrament of Reconciliation. Our RCIA team seemed to be staffed with more “liberal” Catholics. Our group was more theologically conservative than they were. We had to explain to one leader that missing Sunday Mass without a good reason was a mortal sin.

Our priest would not have had the time to lead the “process.”

I found the expected attendance at all the sessions and parish events and particular Masses a challenge. I had to change my work schedule and I feel very blessed to have a wonderful car that didn’t need any repair during that time. But I am glad I was, um, encouraged to go to all those events because I have a much better idea of what being Catholic is like. There are just some things you can’t read about in a book.:twocents:
 
=MSSheBear;10696215]Okay I went through RCIA in 2011-2012. I was in it about 8 months. First a two year program would be too much because we are much more mobile these days. In my area most people move every two or three years. But I wish we had more of a follow up after the Easter Vigil. I feel we needed encouragement to keep going to parish events and perhaps some help dealing with some of the issues that came up after we were released from RCIA.😛 A couple of the RCIA group had issues with certain personnel in the parish. I feel that if they had been encouraged to talk about it with more experienced Catholics they would not have been looking for another parish. I give that as an example.
As far as the content, I feel the instruction for RCIA needs to be tailored to the group. I came in as a practicing Christian and I didn’t need the Trinity explained to me but I wish we had spent more time on the Sacrament of Reconciliation. Our RCIA team seemed to be staffed with more “liberal” Catholics. Our group was more theologically conservative than they were. We had to explain to one leader that missing Sunday Mass without a good reason was a mortal sin.
Our priest would not have had the time to lead the “process.”
I found the expected attendance at all the sessions and parish events and particular Masses a challenge. I had to change my work schedule and I feel very blessed to have a wonderful car that didn’t need any repair during that time. But I am glad I was, um, encouraged to go to all those events because I have a much better idea of what being Catholic is like. There are just some things you can’t read about in a book.:twocents:
I certainly don’t disagree with the tayloring part. BUT expereice has taught me that many Teachers are not qulaified to do that.:o And there has to be [IMO] a list of topics to be covered in all RCIA programs.

While listening to Mass on EWTN this morning Father Lenord made this comment about the sacrament of Confirmation: "In taking this step of Faith one must be prepared to [fully] Proclaim and when necessary; to Defend our Catholic Faith."

For ME; that was a "WOW! That sums up why the RCIA program is so important.

As for your preist “not having the time.” This is no-doubt often true. HOWEVER IMO, they MUST make the time! Unless they have a Deacon or a trained religious who too could do the job.

Short of administering the sacraments; I can think of no more important; signifiant or beneficial task, than preparing souls fully and correctly for entry into Christ one church.

As for the “people issues”. Having taught for more than 20 years; its not a unique issue. One of the major difficulites for those of other faiths; comming into the CC is not understanding [because its not taught or discussed:(] that our worship is different than what they are used too and comfortable with. With Catholics; our Worship is [or is meant to be] GOD CENTERED. It’s ALL about God; and we [the laity] must and do take “second place.”

If conflicts arrise and there are other Catholic Parish options available [not always the case]; then by all means, go to another Catholic parish. IF Not: humilty and patient endurance are the answer. God never prosied us it would be easy; ONLY that it is POSSIBLE with His Grace.👍

1Pet.4: 13 ” But rejoice in so far as you share Christ’s sufferings, that you may also rejoice and be glad when his glory is revealed.

Phil.1: 29 “For it has been granted to you that for the sake of Christ you should not only believe in him but also suffer for his sake, “

2Thes.1: 5 “This is evidence of the righteous judgment of God, that you may be made worthy of the kingdom of God, for which you are suffering “

THANK you so very much for sharing!

God Bless you and WELCOME HOME!
pat/PJM
 
Who decides RCIA then I wonder? Is there some group that does oversee RCIA as a whole? I wonder if there could be some kind of RCIA instructor conference where leaders can get together and discuss things like this…

Man…makes me wish I was back home so I could get started… >.>
 
just real quick

3 things make a sacrament valid

form matter and intent.

not sure if the person who is confessing must have the correct intent. If someone who doesn’t believe in the power of confession goes to confession they probably wouldn’t intend their sins to be forgiven which may make it invalid. But i’m not sure.
Sometimes though someone who is Catholic who wants to believe in the power of confession may go as a way to get himself to begin to believe. So I think God is the one who can really judge. 🙂 It’s not black or white. Most who don’t believe in it will not go, but someone who doesn’t believe in it or who has a hard time believing in it, but who also understands how it’s an important part of Catholicism may do it anyway in hopes that continually going will get him to begin to believe in it. 🤷 I would say those confessions would be valid. 🙂
 
As a soon-to-be RCIA participant, I guess my only concern is the timing of the START of RCIA, not its length. I understand that there are only so many volunteers to staff RCIA classes, but in my parish they don’t start until the fall and go to Easter. I would love to be able to have some structured RCIA activity or home school or something so that I could feel like I’m progressing toward being officially part of the Church. I am just so excited and I’ve been listening to RCIA podcasts and “Catholic Stuff You Should Know” and reading disjointedly everything I can get my hands on, but I would love a group of peers to talk to and a Catholic mentor to work with…yesterday!! 🙂 I figure, too, that if I was born a Catholic it would take at least two years of CCD to get First Holy Communion, so RCIA’s length seems fair in light of that.
 
As a soon-to-be RCIA participant, I guess my only concern is the timing of the START of RCIA, not its length. I understand that there are only so many volunteers to staff RCIA classes, but in my parish they don’t start until the fall and go to Easter. I would love to be able to have some structured RCIA activity or home school or something so that I could feel like I’m progressing toward being officially part of the Church. I am just so excited and I’ve been listening to RCIA podcasts and “Catholic Stuff You Should Know” and reading disjointedly everything I can get my hands on, but I would love a group of peers to talk to and a Catholic mentor to work with…yesterday!! 🙂 I figure, too, that if I was born a Catholic it would take at least two years of CCD to get First Holy Communion, so RCIA’s length seems fair in light of that.
First of all,

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You know, you have a really good idea there. Parishes could have an intake group of RCIA candidates, to have meetings, to get connected, to get a few preliminary questions answered, etc. To form their community. Great idea!
 
First of all,

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You know, you have a really good idea there. Parishes could have an intake group of RCIA candidates, to have meetings, to get connected, to get a few preliminary questions answered, etc. To form their community. Great idea!
Thanks so much for the welcome! I so love all the folks on Catholic Answers - you all rock!
 
As a soon-to-be RCIA participant, I guess my only concern is the timing of the START of RCIA, not its length. I understand that there are only so many volunteers to staff RCIA classes, but in my parish they don’t start until the fall and go to Easter. I would love to be able to have some structured RCIA activity or home school or something so that I could feel like I’m progressing toward being officially part of the Church. I am just so excited and I’ve been listening to RCIA podcasts and “Catholic Stuff You Should Know” and reading disjointedly everything I can get my hands on, but I would love a group of peers to talk to and a Catholic mentor to work with…yesterday!! 🙂 I figure, too, that if I was born a Catholic it would take at least two years of CCD to get First Holy Communion, so RCIA’s length seems fair in light of that.
Ha! I’m also a soon-to-be RCIA participant as I’m missing the Confirmation sacrament plus my family turning atheist on me during my early childhood meant that there was this huge void where I should have received some sort of Catholic education but instead there was things like bibles and going to church were just outright forbidden. I was also being taught a lot of very wrong things by protestants that made Christianity as a whole seem very terrible. With no Catholics in my personal life to guide me, I also find myself longing for a Catholic mentor. I’m clever enough to use google to find answers to what questions I do have [for the most part], but it really isn’t the same as having someone to bounce questions off of.

I think that if you’re born Catholic and more importantly that your family actually stays Catholic, the only real advantage you have is that there is going to be a support system in place for your faith such that you’re not going to feel like the elephant in the room for going off to believe things that your family and peers disagree with.
 
Ha! I’m also a soon-to-be RCIA participant as I’m missing the Confirmation sacrament plus my family turning atheist on me during my early childhood meant that there was this huge void where I should have received some sort of Catholic education but instead there was things like bibles and going to church were just outright forbidden. I was also being taught a lot of very wrong things by protestants that made Christianity as a whole seem very terrible. With no Catholics in my personal life to guide me, I also find myself longing for a Catholic mentor. I’m clever enough to use google to find answers to what questions I do have [for the most part], but it really isn’t the same as having someone to bounce questions off of.

I think that if you’re born Catholic and more importantly that your family actually stays Catholic, the only real advantage you have is that there is going to be a support system in place for your faith such that you’re not going to feel like the elephant in the room for going off to believe things that your family and peers disagree with.
You make a good point about the need for someone just to sort of support you in your decision to be Catholic. My situation is different in that I am surrounded by Catholics, my (civil) husband is Catholic (we are preparing to convaldate), and they are all supportive but, well, just not jazzed the same way I am. It would just be great to have even a virtual group of RCIA participants and a mentor grouped together to talk about questions and just the experiences of new participation in Catholicism. Truly, I am such a newbie that this could be something in place somewhere and I just don’t know it, too.
 
You make a good point about the need for someone just to sort of support you in your decision to be Catholic. My situation is different in that I am surrounded by Catholics, my (civil) husband is Catholic (we are preparing to convaldate), and they are all supportive but, well, just not jazzed the same way I am. It would just be great to have even a virtual group of RCIA participants and a mentor grouped together to talk about questions and just the experiences of new participation in Catholicism. Truly, I am such a newbie that this could be something in place somewhere and I just don’t know it, too.
Well I think that the support system exists online, but you just got to find places. I’m not sure about a virtual RCIA group, but the problem there is that from what I read is that different areas have different requirements in terms of if you can even teach it or not.
 
=SachieWhitby;10704425]Well I think that the support system exists online, but you just got to find places. I’m not sure about a virtual RCIA group, but the problem there is that from what I read is that different areas have different requirements in terms of if you can even teach it or not.
Because RCIA is oven and SADLY; not a priority in many parishes; the teaching task is handed to just about anyone willing to tackle the project.:o

I sort of remember guidelines for qualified teachers? But don’t think that by itself would prohibit someone from teaching. Very oftern a "good; pious, and holy person is sought out; which by itself is GREAT; but little regard for teaching ability or experience is not very often a detrement.

I susepct there are areas where the Bishops ARE more demanding and that’s a good thing.

God Bless you,

pat /PJM
 
I am very lucky that all my RCIA catechists are wonderful. As new DRE I inherited the RCIA team when I started work this fall. In my old parish I did most of the teaching and it was exhausting. This team is great. They take turns with Inquiry, the dismissals, children, and with the catechetical sessions. They do their homework and I am amazed at how good they are. I don’t think I’ve taught more than 4 sessions all year.
 
Because RCIA is oven and SADLY; not a priority in many parishes; the teaching task is handed to just about anyone willing to tackle the project.:o

I sort of remember guidelines for qualified teachers? But don’t think that by itself would prohibit someone from teaching. Very oftern a "good; pious, and holy person is sought out; which by itself is GREAT; but little regard for teaching ability or experience is not very often a detrement.

I susepct there are areas where the Bishops ARE more demanding and that’s a good thing.

God Bless you,

pat /PJM
Oh, that’s too bad! I do think that teaching ability should be very important. Someone can have saintly levels of piety but if they’re not good at explaining things, the students may find it difficult to learn… but on the other hand, you don’t want someone to be the most awesome person ever when it comes to teaching ability but is very lax when it comes to actually teaching Catholic viewpoints that conflict with secular society.
 
I am currently in RCIA, and I don’t think that it is too great of a barrier of entry into the Church. I do think it is important that RCIA instructors allow for students to learn at the pace best suited for them, however. I am a person who grew up in Christianity, and my RCIA instructor said that I had a very good foundation to build upon, and that on top of my great thirst for new knowledge allows me to pass through the material at a pace usually unseen among people in RCIA. I expect that the fact that I am still only 19 years old, and in college, helps in the way that I am still young and learning new things at a pretty quick rate.
Anyway, my point is I think that RCIA instructors should pay attention to how well the person is taking to the lessons by seeing how well they truly appear to understand the subjects. I think that the only time RCIA becomes a “barrier” is when a person feels bogged down in the sense that they don’t feel like they’re moving towards initiation into the church. I have never felt as if it is a barrier, because my instructor has set my lesson progression for the pace that is best suited for me. I don’t think it will be taking anywhere near a year for me to finish up RCIA for this reason, but I understand why it is this way for some. I think RCIA is important, and it shows that people are dedicated to the church and the beliefs. Not to mention it is giving them the opportunity to be the best (Catholic) Christian they can be. I think it’s spectacular! 🙂
 
=SachieWhitby;10706149]Oh, that’s too bad! I do think that teaching ability should be very important. Someone can have saintly levels of piety but if they’re not good at explaining things, the students may find it difficult to learn… but on the other hand, you don’t want someone to be the most awesome person ever when it comes to teaching ability but is very lax when it comes to actually teaching Catholic viewpoints that conflict with secular society.
Exactly why God’s intervention is so much needed.🙂
 
How is bringing someone into the full fold of the one true church ever a low priority? I understand this is not the only activity of the chuch, of course, but to deem this a low priority?
 
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