Is Sacred Music a Way to Find God?

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Neat, what sort of songs do you write? I’m sort of an amateur songwriter myself. I’m not really sure if I have a specific genre, but I guess I tend to mush together blues, jazz, and oldies pop structures. I tried writing a classical-ish counterpoint thing for piano once, but it sort of turned into an atonal vent. 😛
HI, I write alot of Psalms and Christian, but I have been known in my other day’s to write humerous, vain, outlandish, comedy. And some very serious stuff to. I do like Patsy Cline, Dolly Parton,Jeorge Jones, ETC. And I still can do some Beatles YAH<YAH<YAH<YAH!😉
Love of Christ Nancy
 
HI, I fool around with the key board, harmonica, fiddle, guitar, celtic harp. I also have a Scottish flute. I raise cane when i’m able.

Yikes! I can barely whistle! :whistle:

Here is Verdi’s Dies Irae. Does the director look like he needs to get to the Men’s Room? I much prefer Toscanini’s version.

youtube.com/watch?v=ZDFFHaz9GsY
 
HI, I fool around with the key board, harmonica, fiddle, guitar, celtic harp. I also have a Scottish flute. I raise cane when i’m able.

Yikes! I can barely whistle! :whistle:

Here is Verdi’s Dies Irae. Does the director look like he needs to get to the Men’s Room? I much prefer Toscanini’s version.

youtube.com/watch?v=ZDFFHaz9GsY
HI! I collect old operas and 78’s. I have about 500 or so of all kinds of music and 2 old machines to play them on. I can name that tune in 3 seconds:D:D I call long hair music Johann Strauss (Voice of Spring) Waltz and Chopin who was deeply religous , I have alot of sets and colections that are in mint condition. But I still like ROCK and ROLL! Love of Christ Nancy:thumbsup: PS If I sound Intelligent I’m not I have English problems and carry a ditionary around alot, what ever works, right?
 
HI, I fool around with the key board, harmonica, fiddle, guitar, celtic harp. I also have a Scottish flute. I raise cane when i’m able.

Yikes! I can barely whistle! :whistle:

Here is Verdi’s Dies Irae. Does the director look like he needs to get to the Men’s Room? I much prefer Toscanini’s version.

youtube.com/watch?v=ZDFFHaz9GsY
WOW I didn’t know Russia could make all that noise. Remember Caruso? I had alot of him once (long story) buit i do have the Verdie Opera with Kathern Gracine, i love the Student Prince, Vista lajuba, What ever.Mario Lanza was teriffic, and i even had some old real thick records with Elmer Gluck and Mable Garrison, and some Irish tennor music by John Mccormick. That’s when they used megga phones.But the 30’s and 40’s were great music to.When the saints go marching in Louie Armstrong, yes! Love of Christ Nancy
 
HI, I fool around with the key board, harmonica, fiddle, guitar, celtic harp. I also have a Scottish flute. I raise cane when i’m able.

Yikes! I can barely whistle! :whistle:

Here is Verdi’s Dies Irae. Does the director look like he needs to get to the Men’s Room? I much prefer Toscanini’s version.

youtube.com/watch?v=ZDFFHaz9GsY
I sang Verdi’s Requiem while in college. The *Dies Irae *is as powerful a piece of music I’ve heard. Last semester, I taught two courses on the Minor Prophets, and played a section of the Dies Irae for the students. (Part of the text is paraphrased from Zephaniah.) WOW! It certainly got their attention!
 
HI, I just checked some of my collection and i have Verdi on 33 rpm scenes from Aida acts 1-4, scenes from Rigoletto sides 3&4 scenes from Trovatore 5&6, scenes from Otello acts 1-4 or side 7&8. It’s the Metropolitan Cenntenial Collection. Ava Maria is beautiful. Love of Christ Nancy:)
 
Mozart’s Sacred Works
Masses and Kyries
K33 Kyrie in F (1766)
K90 Kyrie in d (1772)
K115 Missa brevis in C (incomplete)
K116 Missa brevis in F
K139 Missa solemnis in c (“Waisenhaus”-1768)
K167 Missa in C (“Holy Trinity”-1773)
K192 Missa brevis in F (“Little Credo”-1775)
K220 Missa brevis in C (“Sparrow”-1773-1777)
K257 Missa in C (“Credo”-1776-1777)
K258 Missa brevis in C (“Piccolomini”-1775)
K259 Missa brevis in C (“Organ solo”-1773-1777)
K262 Missa longa in C (1775)
K275 Missa brevis in B-flat (1773-1777)
K296a-c Mass (fragments-1777-1778)
K317 Missa in C (“Coronation”-1779)
K337 Missa solemnis in C (1780)
K341 Kyrie in d (1781)
K427 Mass in C (1783)

Litanies and Vespers
K109 Litaniae Lauretanae BVM (1771)
K125 Kitaniae de venerabili altaris sacramento in B-flat (1772)
K193 Dixit and Magnificat (1773-1777)
K243 Kitaniae de venerabili altaris sacramento (1773-1777)
K321 Vesperae de Dominica (1779)
K339 Vesperae de solennes de Confessore (1780)

Short Sacred Works
K34 Offertory (“Scande coeli limina”)
K85 Miserere (1770)
K86 Antiphon (“Quaerite primum regnum Dei”-1770)
K108 “Regina coeli” in C (1771)
K127 “Regina coeli” in B-flat (1772)
K165 Motet, “Exsultate, jubilate” (1773)
K222 Offertory, Misericordias Domini (1773-1777)
K260 Offertory in D, “Venite, populi” (1773-1777)
K273 Sancta Maria in F (1773-1777)
K277 Offertory, “Alma Dei creatoris” (1773-1777)
K618 Motet, “Ave verum corpus” (1791)

Church Sonatas
K67 Church Sonata in E-flat (1772)
K68 Church Sonata in B-flat (1772)
K69 Church Sonata in D (1772)
K328 Church Sonata in C (1779)
K329 Church Sonata in C (1779)
K336 Church Sonata in C (1779)

Historical Setting of the Requiem

Mozart and Constanze
 
I notice in this thread that some flks are citing certain pieces of music.

One piece of music that I get a lot of requests for is “Pie Jesu” from Andrew lloyd Weber’s “Requiem”. In 38 years of music ministry, I’ve nver had a comoosition for funerals that has had such “staying power”. I think that’s because it speaks to souls- including myown after playing for God knows how many times.

I think sacred music is a way to find God, but as with most matters of the soul, we sometimes get surprised as to what speaks to us of God via music.
 
  1. Where in Holy Scripture did Jesus give instructions that the Christian faith is to be solely based on a book? How about the same question except for using the Apostles instead of Jesus?
  2. Why do Protestants say it is the Bible which is the pillar and foundation of truth when the Bible clearly says it is the Church (1Tim 3:15)? Please give me the name of that Church?
  3. Why do Protestants reject Apostolic Tradition when the Bible clearly says, “So then, brethren, stand firm and hold the teachings that you have learned, whether by word or by letter of ours.”
    2Thessalonians 2:15, yet another verse ignored, and taught against by Protestantism.
  4. Why do Protestants deny that the Bible came from the Catholic Church when they cannot name a truthful and provable alternate source, and where there are literally hundreds of genuine historical documents which prove them to be wrong in their denial?
  5. Protestants deny that Peter was given primacy in Matthew 16:18. Nothing in Scripture is done without a purpose. For what purpose then, did Jesus change Simon’s name to Peter?
  6. Why do Protestants deny that the Papacy is Scriptural, when in fact, it is very Scriptural?
  7. Why is it that Protestants can never supply genuine historical documents to “prove” their false charges? Is it because the lie can never be proven, but the truth can be?
    It is simple, if you have no truth, then you have no proof.
    Catholics can, and do, supply genuine historical documents to prove what they teach.
    Why then do Protestants refuse to read them? Romans 1:18, 2:8
  8. Why do Protestants deny the unbroken line of succession of Popes down through the centuries from St. Peter to the present Pope, when the Catholic Church has given free access for anyone to research genuine historical documents to prove it to be true, but Protestants refuse to read them? Anyone can go to a secular encyclopedia and see the same succession of Popes.
  9. Why do Protestants deny that the Catholic Church has existed from the first century, when hundreds of genuine historical documents, written by scores of Holy men and women, are freely available to prove them wrong in their denial? However, Protestants simply refuse to read them. As explained earlier, Protestants teach that history ended with Acts 28:30 and did not begin again until Luther came along.
“But there is nothing concealed that will not be disclosed, and nothing hidden that will not be made known.”
Luke 12:2

“Just as the weeds are gathered and burned with fire, so will it be at the close of the age. The Son of man will send his angels, and they will gather out of his kingdom all causes of sin and all evildoers (includes those who lie and reject the truth), and throw them into the furnace of fire; there men will weep and gnash their teeth. Then the righteous (those who follow the teaching of Christ through His one Church) will shine like the sun in the kingdom of their Father. He who has ears, let him hear.” Matthew 13:40-43

“Do all things without grumbling or questioning, that you may be blameless and innocent, children of God without blemish in the midst of a crooked and perverse generation,
among whom youshineaslightsintheworld.”
Philippians 2:14-15


“Truth has always bothered people and is never comfortable.”
Cardinal Ratzinger, October 9, 2000
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However, He who has refused to acknowledge the truth in life
will be forced to confront it in death.
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But by then it is too late isn’t it?
Because at that point in time the GOD of Mercy
has suddenly become the GOD of Justice.
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"In the path of righteousness is life, but the way of error leads to death.
Proverbs 12:28


Galatians 4:16?
 
I notice in this thread that some flks are citing certain pieces of music.

One piece of music that I get a lot of requests for is “Pie Jesu” from Andrew lloyd Weber’s “Requiem”. In 38 years of music ministry, I’ve nver had a comoosition for funerals that has had such “staying power”. I think that’s because it speaks to souls- including myown after playing for God knows how many times.

I think sacred music is a way to find God, but as with most matters of the soul, we sometimes get surprised as to what speaks to us of God via music.
I love that piece! I’ve got the original LP (yep, I’m an LP collector as well!) I also love the Hosanna from that requiem (esp. sung by Domingo!)
 
I notice in this thread that some flks are citing certain pieces of music.

One piece of music that I get a lot of requests for is “Pie Jesu” from Andrew lloyd Weber’s “Requiem”. In 38 years of music ministry, I’ve nver had a comoosition for funerals that has had such “staying power”. I think that’s because it speaks to souls- including myown after playing for God knows how many times.

I think sacred music is a way to find God, but as with most matters of the soul, we sometimes get surprised as to what speaks to us of God via music.
A little off-topic - but when Weber’s Requiem first came out and the “Pie Jesu” became popular, some of my colleagues who were working in music ministry at the time (I was just a kid then, so didn’t have a clue on any of this) used to get requests for the “Pie Jesu” for their weddings! Most of the time, after they were told what it was for, the translation and why it shouldn’t be used for a wedding, the couples would understand. They just thought the music was touching and beautiful. But sometimes, the brides were like, “I don’t care. I love that music”. I always thought that was funny. And actually, a few years back, I also got a request to have that sung for someone’s wedding and once I explained the reasons why it shouldn’t be done and suggested other works that were equally as beautiful and appropriate, they were fine with it.

Ok, now back on topic…

Two Requiem masses that I think totally speaks to God and is inspired by God, are Faure’s “Requiem” and Durufle’s “Requiem”. They are my most favorite Requiems out of all the ones I’ve ever heard or sung.

Here’s the “In paradisum” from the Faure. I’m usually not into boy choirs that much (depending on the work), but for this in particular, their voices work beautifully for it (plus I believe Faure wrote it for boy sopranos and altos).

youtube.com/watch?v=nCNq5kCGD4Y&feature=related

And here’s the “Pie Jesu”. I love this one because it’s so ethereal. One recording is with boy soprano and one with adult soprano. Both have it’s own beauties - one of innocence of not totally quite understanding what he is singing and the other having that emotional connect, so feeling more of that in what she does. If you know Sumi Jo’s voice, you will know that she used her voice appropriately for the work to make it work more like a prayer and what Faure was probably looking for. Certain operatic voices cannot achieve that depending on the kind voice they have.

Sumi Jo:
youtube.com/watch?v=GhcvgVrNLLY

boy soprano (also has the Agnus Dei - GORGEOUS!!!)
youtube.com/watch?v=VWMmolrId_4

And then my other favorite Pie Jesu by Durufle. It is so earthy and gut-wrenching. I’m a mezzo, so I sing this often, and unfortunately have had to do this for funerals of my husband’s family members. I haven’t found any recordings on line that is really good of this.

But here is the “Agnus Dei” - Notice how Durufle successfully incorporated the chant into a modern 20th century composition. It’s so beautiful. Who says 20th/21st century classical sacred composition has to be ugly and discordant?!?

youtube.com/watch?v=N6ySRRqe1ks

He does the same thing for the Sanctus:
youtube.com/watch?v=WYfGBdLfdRg
 
Same gruop I listen to there are 6 girls and they will blow yor sox right off your feet. Chole Agnew, Orla Fallen, Alez Sharp, Lisa kelly, Marie Nesbitt,Lynn Hilary.The CD is called Celtic Woman (The Greatest Journey) How beautiful. Oh! danny Boy is done so wonderful That c d i realy injoy. You can go to You Tube and listen to that sone" Pie Jesu" Love of Christ Nancy:)
 
No one has mentioned my favourite hymn: Pange Lingua

youtube.com/watch?v=ljoC7HZ9QJM&feature=channel_page

And since others have posted their favourite versions of Pie Jesu, here’s mine, by Hayley Westenra,

youtube.com/watch?v=Vr6ajtA5Otg&feature=channel_page

In my mind, this is what an angel would look and sound like.
She was OK but not as soft,as the one we were talking about. her voice was to loud and to direct I think Celtic woman are the very best. Have you viewed the one above your post? It is supurbe. Love of Christ Nancy Sarabande’s on You Tube!
 
Yes, I listened to the Sumi Jo version, different, but very nice. I saw “The Priests” last year and they performed Pie Jesu youtube.com/watch?v=mt8TcWeL3A0&feature=channel_page

It doesn’t matter what version I listen to, as soon as I hear the first notes, my eyes start to water.

It’ amazing what people will admit to on an anonymous Internet forum. 🤷
 
She was OK but not as soft,as the one we were talking about. her voice was to loud and to direct I think Celtic woman are the very best. Have you viewed the one above your post? It is supurbe. Love of Christ Nancy Sarabande’s on You Tube!
I think Hayley’s recording had more to do with the microphone, than her actual voice being too loud or direct. All the singers who sing like that, (Celtic Women, Hayley Westera, etc.) actually have very small voices and sound lovely in the mic because they are small voices. I’m not saying that to knock them, because that is definitely not what I mean. They are girls and most girls’ voices will sound like that, especially as they are in the early part of their vocal training. And believe me, serious singers take voice lessons for years even while they work professionally. They are in their early part of training. You don’t want to push a young girl’s voice to do more than what it is meant to do unless they have unusual vocal chords which can create the sound of a woman. The youth, loveliness and purity of their voices is what let’s me appreciate and enjoy some of their work, depending on the kind of music they do. It reminds me of hearing a certain kind of innocence - it is the point that God wishes their voices to be because of their youth. There aren’t many colors - just silver and white, which is fine because of their age. Some girls will try to keep that voice as they get older and that is when some will run into problems (I’ve seen it happen with older women in their 30s and 40s) Other girls will allow their voices to grow and mature into the next stage of where God takes them as they age and they create beauty still, but in a different manner and perhaps not as angelic although I’ve heard many a soprano who still had that angelic quality to their voices even though there was more depth and color in the voice.

Anyway, sometimes with those kinds of voices (really with any voice that may not be miked well) it could sound too pointed and loud if directed into the mic a certain way. If you noticed in the beginning Hayley raised her mic up. The engineers might have placed it at a certain level to be sure it created the right sound that they wanted and she might have felt that it wouldn’t get across. A performing space always feels differently once it is filled with people and that could have thrown her off to want to raise the mic. I’ve spoken with sound engineers and with those types of voices, if they have the right engineers they can create the soft sound perfectly as the singers are performing.

Nancy, which youtube thing were talking about? I don’t remember posting one with Celtic Women.
 
Yes, I listened to the Sumi Jo version, different, but very nice. I saw “The Priests” last year and they performed Pie Jesu youtube.com/watch?v=mt8TcWeL3A0&feature=channel_page

It doesn’t matter what version I listen to, as soon as I hear the first notes, my eyes start to water.

It’ amazing what people will admit to on an anonymous Internet forum. 🤷
Oh… Sumi Jo isn’t from Celtic Women. She’s an actual opera singer. Here she is in operatic form “Der Holle Rache” from Mozart’s “Die Zauberflote”:

youtube.com/watch?v=yBLKtFwLxpQ

I love this “Ave Maria”. The music is originally by the 16th century composer Giulio Caccini, but the orchestration was modernized. I would LOVE to hear it as Caccini meant it to be.

youtube.com/watch?v=fjZ8fBGtMaI&feature=related
I know what you mean though. There are just certain pieces which will make you ball your eyes out
 
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