Is sleeping with a friend a sin?

[VonDerTann]

So I see that while I was posting, WoundedIcon posted some more illogic. He had this to say:

“Since there is no straightforward proof here that any sin is being committed, despite emotional protestations to the contrary due to modern Western Christian sexual mores and a dose of “constantly holding the heart in suspicion”, I am going to do this. If you earnestly think it’s a sin, pray for God to tank our plans. Just be aware that He can, and if He doesn’t, well…”

–This is actually comical if it’s not so shallow.

First, what “straightforward proof” would he like? His increasing anger should be all the proof he needs.

More pointedly, his statement amounts to, “if it really is a sin God won’t let us do it.!” That is, quite frankly, so embarrassing I can’t believe it was really said. By this logic, I can say, “I’m gonna go hold up a liquor store with a pistol, and you pray to stop me, and if I still rob the store I guess it wasn’t a sin.”

The more WoundedIcon posts, the thicker grows the jungle of illogic, snark, sarcasm, selfishness, shallow theology, and attachment to sin.

And he thinks the JWs are the bad ones?

 

[Bookcat]

Remember …it is not only a question of near occasion or sin in regards to any sexual temptation (interior or exterior)…

there is the problem of the risk and potential reality of scandal…of a man and a woman living together who are not married…

and indeed two Catholics (one entering RCIA rather) living together of the opposite sex…such even adds to the problem…

Please seek an affordable place for each…

(contact Catholic Charities etc)

(you are a guy and a girl…not brother and brother…or a married couple)

 

[ddarko]

I could easily say that living with her family is an occasion of sin. It leads her to despair of hope, to strife, to depression and anger, it keeps her from even being baptized or of course taking communion in the future, she is mistreated and has money taken from her, etc. Since there is no straightforward proof here that any sin is being committed, despite emotional protestations to the contrary due to modern Western Christian sexual mores and a dose of “constantly holding the heart in suspicion”, I am going to do this. If you earnestly think it’s a sin, pray for God to tank our plans. Just be aware that He can, and if He doesn’t, well…

Living under persecution is not a sin. Read Scripture, Apostles used to go to persecuted areas to preach and then die for their faith.

Under your argument, they are sinning in doing so.

So no. Your argument is flawed.

God Bless

 

[ddarko]

A near occasion of sexual sin requires more than the two parties involved to have a dinky and a plug dude.

What are you talking about?

I think all you need to ask is the following, do you really want to do the right thing, or do you want to do what you feel will satisfy your “genuine need”?

When we logically evaluate things, it appears that what you are about to do is not good for her soul. You are leading her in to sin when she is without sin as she lives with her family.

So in all honesty, in my eyes, you are really just being stubborn now.

God Bless

 

[ddarko]

And he thinks the JWs are the bad ones?

That’s what I keep thinking.

If I was part of this girl’s family and he was trying to take her away to live with him making Catholicism as an excuse, I would probably think Catholics are nuts

God Bless

 

[WoundedIcon]

Well, despite the fact that she’s being called a heretic and apostate by them… anywho, you’re right about scandal. I was operating on the basis of pride when I fought your objections - although you could be more charitable and less forceful and suspicious next time. I still object to the insinuations of some secret desire to needily fornicate with her. I’m male, not an ape, and twisting the friendly love I expressed for a best friend into some kind of code language for lust was just wrong. Not all forms of love are equal.

When someone explained it to her charitably in a PM and I read it, I assented. I must take care of prudence for the weaker brethren unless I sin, so there’s no more option for this to happen.

But just so you know, her parents have locked all her belongings in the trunk and are flying her out on Monday to California. Let’s not pretend that her situation is healthy. She’s 21 and they want her to follow the rules while she’s under their roof, sure… but they forcefully KEEP her under their roof so it’s rather circular.

 

[ddarko]

Well, despite the fact that she’s being called a heretic and apostate by them… anywho, you’re right about scandal. I was operating on the basis of pride when I fought your objections - although you could be more charitable and less forceful and suspicious next time. I still object to the insinuations of some secret desire to needily fornicate with her. I’m male, not an ape, and twisting the friendly love I expressed for a best friend into some kind of code language for lust was just wrong. Not all forms of love are equal.

When someone explained it to her charitably in a PM and I read it, I assented. I must take care of prudence for the weaker brethren unless I sin, so there’s no more option for this to happen.

But just so you know, her parents have locked all her belongings in the trunk and are flying her out on Monday to California. Let’s not pretend that her situation is healthy. She’s 21 and they want her to follow the rules while she’s under their roof, sure… but they forcefully KEEP her under their roof so it’s rather circular.

Pray for her and keep in touch with her. Give her encouragement to pursue her faith. God works in mysterious ways.

Sometimes when we have no good solution to pursue, we must let God do his work.

God Bless