Is smacking a child always morally wrong?

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I dislike the term “smacking” a child. It seems to be loaded with a greater amount of emotion than a term such as spanking, or physical punishment.

We have a long list of people around who go by the mantra that if you ever use physical punishment of a child, you are teaching them to use force. I have yet to see either a sociological or psychological study that was well designed that could show that moderate physical punishment, used as an occasional part of discipline, did so.

Children do learn to use force when that is all they see modeled in a family, and when that is all that is used on them. And that doesn’t take a PhD to figuer out, either.

Striking a child hard enough to leave a mark - a bruise - is almost always considered to be evidence of child abuse. Striking a child with an instrument - a belt, a stick, a wooden spoon, etc. is much more likely to leave a bruise than an open hand. and if we are really honest, we use them becasue we can cause more pain. Point made.

Striking a child while angry is a very very short road to child abuse. And from what I have observed, most of the time children receive physical punishment when the parent is “hot”. That should be enough said. Note: I did not say that ever striking a child while hot is child abuse. I said it is a very very short road.

But if discipline means teaching (and that is the root word), you need to stop and ask yourself exactly what you are teaching when you strike a child.

You may be teaching that for certain acts, there are very unpleasant consequences. With that I do not have a particular problem, assuming that is not the only way you can teach, and it is proportional.

If you cannot stop and say what you are really trying to teach, or if when you stop you find what you are teaching is that mommy or daddy is really angry, then you are not disciplining the child, you are acting out your anger on someone who cannot defend themselves.

A good portion of the whole problem is that parents don’t start early enough to teach a child what the word “no” means (and you don’t have to spank them to get it across).

Another portion of the problem is dealing with a child who has attention deficit disorder, particularly if they have a hyperactive overlay, or if the child has other attention issues. It takes a huge amount of patience, and not a little bit of wisdom to be able to teach - discipline - a child properly. Too often physical punishment is used because patience was long gone, or because the parent didn’t know or wouldn’t use other parenting proceedures (like time out). and a third (somewhat related to patience) issue is the parent not stepping in and doing something - like time out - until whatever has been going on has gone nuclear. Tell them once and then intervene. Why tell them twice, or three times, or four… you have just taught them they don’t have to obey until you scream, or jerk, or hit. And you taught them. Often, you taught them very well; and then you wonder why they don’t mind.

It is because you taught them they didn’t have to.

I have no problem with telling a child why the rule is the rule. We can do that some other time, like at the dinner table. The point of discipline is that when the rule is invoked, whatever is violating the rule stops. I don’t “reason” with the child. I tell them to stop or the consequence will happen (once) and then if it doesn’t stop, the consequence happens. It is truly amazing how quickly they connect the dots.

It is also truly amazing how many times, if you follow that pattern consistently, you will be told how well your child behaves.

Never threaten. Promise. There is a vast difference.

Never beg. Ever. You are in charge. Act like it. Never say that if xyz doesn’t stop that you will do thus and so, unless you are ready and willing to immediately do thus and so. And if xyz continues, then do thus and so. Right then. No second chance.

And if thus and so is an over-reaction, then don’t say that is what will happen.
 
  1. Jesus’ Own Example was Discipline, NOT Punishment.
  2. Scripture Does Not Support Spanking
  3. The Universal Church Does Not Model Corporal Punishment
  4. Spanking Flies in the Face of Good Science
  5. Spanking Is Violence
  6. Spanking as Sin or Occasion of Sin
  7. God’s Justice is Subject to His Love
  8. Spanking does not Respect the Gift of Will
  9. Spanking Conflicts with the Church’s Teaching on the “Age of Reason”
  10. Catholic Luminaries in Child-Rearing Oppose Spanking
From the conclusion:
Well, there you have it - ten reasons I, as a Catholic, loyal to the teaching Magisterium of the Church, family counselor and father believe corporal punishment and Catholicism to not mix. I ask you to consider these reasons with an openness to the fullness of life as seen and taught by the Church, and with a real desire to seek the truth.
To renounce corporal punishment is a “conversion;” it is to begin the difficult journey which consists in “putting new wine in new skins.” You will not be alone. The Wisdom, Grace and Love of the Holy Trinity will guide you.
Should you decide to continue spanking, you ought to prepare a defense to Christ’s pronouncement of love: “What you do to the least of these, you do to Me.”
 
Actually, we don’t know if Jesus swatted any children that were getting into something dangerous. My child (or grandchild, I should say) starts running into the street or starts playing with an electrical socket grounding wire - you bet, I’m going to swat. Much better that than the alternative! Sometimes, too, children will get so overwhelmed with stimulae/tired that they’ll do things they would never do otherwise and aren’t able to stop. And I don’t believe in slapping a child in the face as is seen to be done to hysterical adults.
I also think that it’s terribly important to explain to the child what he’s done, to add a real consequence like time-out (my mother didn’t and I know my brother and I laughed at her swats, since they didn’t - and she didn’t want them to - hurt), and to hug them and explain to them after that I always love them but don’t like what they did and why.😉
On the other hand, I don’t believe in hitting children with anything more than an open hand, and only on the bottom (or upper legs, if diaper is there), just so there is a surprising sting for a moment. I experienced a parent that did very strong spankings in anger, and I think that got me used to things I wouldn’t have been otherwise.
 
This is so rediculous…

Imparting adult-level reasoning/thinking/consequence upon a child…

Get serious. What will get “the point across” to a child in the most effective and direct manner (regardless of circumstance):
  1. A five-minute talk/discussion that details the cause & effect of the child’s actions in regard to the situation at hand.
  2. A cuff to the noggin, or a swat to the behind to stop the transgressionary behaviour.
??? I’ll guess #2
 
Can I morally smack a person who cuts in line at the grocery store? What gives anyone the right to smack another person? I get so upset with those who say that it is alright to smack a child. Can I smack you for going against my grain?? Why not?? It’s just my expression of displeasure…Good grief :confused:
 
Smacking a child out of discipline is not morally wrong…smacking out of abuse or anger, or venting purposes for other reasons, (misplaced anger) is definitely morally wrong. I was really never a smacker or spanker with our kids. My husband would have spanked, had it not been for my frequent interventions.

But, there are people who spank, as a discipline. I dunno. It’s not morally wrong, I just think there are other ways to communicate with a child.
 
Can I morally smack a person who cuts in line at the grocery store? What gives anyone the right to smack another person? I get so upset with those who say that it is alright to smack a child. Can I smack you for going against my grain?? Why not?? It’s just my expression of displeasure…Good grief :confused:
I think because it is stated in the Bible, like it is acceptable (or was back in Biblical times) to spank (thus not sparing the rod, so to speak) that it couldn’t be considered ‘immoral’ in all instances. I personally agree with you, however. I don’t get into the whole spanking thing. When I see someone spanking their children in the grocery store, I dunno. It makes me uncomfortable…like, they didn’t really give the child a chance to correct the mistake…and then, smack!

I was more of a …do this, and I will buy you this. Husband and I never agreed on that. But, in some ways, it worked.🤷
 
I think because it is stated in the Bible, like it is acceptable (or was back in Biblical times) to spank (thus not sparing the rod, so to speak) that it couldn’t be considered ‘immoral’ in all instances. I personally agree with you, however. I don’t get into the whole spanking thing. When I see someone spanking their children in the grocery store, I dunno. It makes me uncomfortable…like, they didn’t really give the child a chance to correct the mistake…and then, smack!

I was more of a …do this, and I will buy you this. Husband and I never agreed on that. But, in some ways, it worked.🤷
Yes, I just don’t see what gives the right for any human being to smack another. There are so many effective ways to discipline children without having to inflict physical contact. Like many things in Scripture, sparing the rod does not have to mean smacking your kid. It can just as much mean to use other means that may impart punishment without direct physical contact.

I firmly believe this and have three excellent kids who were never spanked, ages 23, 19 and 13. So I guess why mess with success…teachccd 🙂
 
Yes, I just don’t see what gives the right for any human being to smack another. There are so many effective ways to discipline children without having to inflict physical contact. Like many things in Scripture, sparing the rod does not have to mean smacking your kid. It can just as much mean to use other means that may impart punishment without direct physical contact.

I firmly believe this and have three excellent kids who were never spanked, ages 23, 19 and 13. So I guess why mess with success…teachccd 🙂
Can’t say I disagree. 🙂
 
  1. Jesus’ Own Example was Discipline, NOT Punishment.
  2. Scripture Does Not Support Spanking
  3. The Universal Church Does Not Model Corporal Punishment
  4. Spanking Flies in the Face of Good Science
  5. Spanking Is Violence
  6. Spanking as Sin or Occasion of Sin
  7. God’s Justice is Subject to His Love
  8. Spanking does not Respect the Gift of Will
  9. Spanking Conflicts with the Church’s Teaching on the “Age of Reason”
  10. Catholic Luminaries in Child-Rearing Oppose Spanking
From the conclusion:
I agree - although I know this view is not popular.
 
Can I morally smack a person who cuts in line at the grocery store? What gives anyone the right to smack another person? I get so upset with those who say that it is alright to smack a child. Can I smack you for going against my grain?? Why not?? It’s just my expression of displeasure…Good grief :confused:
Again, I agree.

Would you smack your boss for being irritating?
Would you smack another driver who annoyed you with his antics?
Would you smack a priest for calling sinfulness to your attention?
Would you smack your spouse for disagreeing with you?
Do you expect to smacked in the course of your day by any giant in the area?

Children are helpless, vulnerable, without power and at our mercy.
We are gifted with their presence. Who would hit them?
 
Not popular or easy. Not popular because it’s not easy? 🤷

I think this approach takes more time energy, thought and effort. Anything less is lazy parenting. I have spent more time with and observing kids in my life and jobs and know that they understand things differently than we do. They do not process the same way and there is not a lot of room for nuance. A smack may have the intent of conveying “NO! It’s bad/wrong/dangerous” but could be interpreted as “I’m stupid/bad/unlovable” by the child.
 
Again, I agree.

Would you smack your boss for being irritating?
Would you smack another driver who annoyed you with his antics?
Would you smack a priest for calling sinfulness to your attention?
Would you smack your spouse for disagreeing with you?
Do you expect to smacked in the course of your day by any giant in the area?

**Children are helpless, vulnerable, without power and at our mercy. **
We are gifted with their presence. Who would hit them?
Boggles the mind, doesn’t it???🤷
 
Boggles the mind, doesn’t it???🤷
Yes, it does.

Two more thoughts: recently I visited with a set of premie twins, now newly baptized, whom I’d known when they were newborns. How lovely it was to hold them, knowing that they were complete saints, far better in their holiness than I am.

Also, it always astonishes when RCs who are not exactly known for their memorization of any Biblical statements manage to cling to the old Proverb about “sparing the rod” while it’s near certainty, they choose to remeber no other verses from the Old Testament. (Just an observation!)
 
Who among us here could imagine our Blessed Mother smacking Jesus for not telling her that He would be in His Father’s house?? I’m sure that her anxiety level would have warranted such a reaction. What image would that give us if we knew that she smacked our Lord?? I’m sure that He got a talking to and was told to alert them should this need arise in the future. But a smack?? His life ended in the ultimate slap in the face and when we hit others we emulate that same behavior. Please do not hit kids for being kids no matter what disrespect was shown. In my CCD classes with the Junior High kids I find disrespect many times. Do you have any idea of the implications that would arise if I smacked one of those kids?? After I got out of jail and settled the civil law suit with the parents, I would never be allowed to teach again. But that same kid can go home and get smacked by his parents with no conseqences.

Is smacking a child always morally wrong?? In my opinion, YES. And unless all of you who disagree with me would find it o.k. for me to smack your kid then what gives you the right? In fact, I would think that a parent would be the last one to want to physically hit their own child if even a slap on the hand.

Did Mary smack Jesus?? You tell me…Oh and by the way, He seemed to turn out pretty good…😉 teachccd
 
Yes, it does.

Two more thoughts: recently I visited with a set of premie twins, now newly baptized, whom I’d known when they were newborns. How lovely it was to hold them, knowing that they were complete saints, far better in their holiness than I am.

Also, it always astonishes when RCs who are not exactly known for their memorization of any Biblical statements manage to cling to the old Proverb about “sparing the rod” while it’s near certainty, they choose to remeber no other verses from the Old Testament. (Just an observation!)
And a justified observation as well…God bless you for being among us who see children as priceless gifts form God and would refuse to hit that gift but rather guide these little people with our gift of stewardship that God entrusts to us. I hardly find it fitting to see a shephard hitting his sheep. They guide them and use other means to have their sheep follow them.

Our society’s priorities are all upside down. I recently saw a little girl walking home from school all by herself. I asked my wife if she thought that her parents might leave an expensive piece of jewlery out on the sidewalk unattended. She said no but asked how could they leave a priceless gift from God in the same situation…We really need to ponder…God Bless…teachccd 🙂
 
LOL. I agree and fully intend to whack the snot out of my grandchidren when they need it! 😃 😉
You should let your kids know this before you babysit. I am not against corporal punishment but I am against anyone besides me or my husband physically disciplining my child.

My daughter is now 12 and we’ve never had any problem with either set of grandparents (even though my husband’s father used to beat him with a belt). If any one of the grandparents physically disciplined my child that would be last time my child would be with them without either me or my husband present. If there are behavior problems I certainly would it expect it to be brought to our attention so we can discipline our child. But physically punishment by anyone other than me or my husband is completely unacceptable.
 
You should let your kids know this before you babysit. I am not against corporal punishment but I am against anyone besides me or my husband physically disciplining my child…

But physically punishment by anyone other than me or my husband is completely unacceptable.
But it is perfectly acceptable for you or your husband to hit your child. WOW!! So we can selectively have our children hit. Not others, for crying out loud. Leave the smacking to us…

Nice right of stewardship…:banghead:
 
Is smacking a child always morally wrong?? In my opinion, YES. And unless all of you who disagree with me would find it o.k. for me to smack your kid then what gives you the right? In fact, I would think that a parent would be the last one to want to physically hit their own child if even a slap on the hand.
What gives me the right? God. He entrusted my husband and I with our daughter, she is our responsibilty.

Why do I not want others physically disciplining my child? Because I love her with every inch of my soul and I (along with my husband) know her better than anyone.

If we decide a physical discipline is in her best interest it is base on our love and our understanding of our child. A stranger or even a relative can not know or feel such things, and God gave her to us to raise -not you or my parents/husband’s parents or anyone else. So it is our right and not yours. I’ve actually only spanked my child less than a dozen times and she is 12 (and I haven’t done it all since she was about 6 or 7), so I do not go around whacking her for every transgression.

I really felt the way you did when I first had my daughter. I read all the parenting books that said spanking a child was hypocritical, teaches violence etc. As a preschooler she grew into an extremely strong willed child and would go into fits like something you’ve never seen. Time outs, reasoning, redirection were impossible. She turned over chairs, threw things and would bite if we tried to physically put her in time out. A firm wack on the butt literally snapped her out of it. Then I would be able to hug her and comfort her. Using corporal punishment at any other time actually only made things worse. That is what I mean by knowing her better than anyone.

Our daughter is growing into a beautiful young lady and we are very proud of her. She doesn’t go around hitting people. She is a sweet, sensitive, respectiveful child. And yes she is a precious gift, which is exactly why we want what’s best for her.

By the way Jesus was God and Mary knew that. He was alsio incapable of sinning and Mary knew that. So what cause would she have to smack him? Out of frustration? That is not a reason to discipline. Our children are not God and very capable of making bad choices. Jesus being in the temple was not a bad choice. It was a choice his parents did not fully understand because he is God and they were not. The bible does not say corporal punishment is morally wrong, quite the opposite.
 
But it is perfectly acceptable for you or your husband to hit your child. WOW!! So we can selectively have our children hit. Not others, for crying out loud. Leave the smacking to us…

Nice right of stewardship…:banghead:
Please show where in the Bible or the Catechism where it says corporal punishment is morally wrong.

Your statements and conclusions are not of logic but emotion. Being a parent isn’t easy, we need to pray for the grace to make the right choices for our children. It isn’t about always about warm and fuzzy feelings but making hard choices in the best interest of our child. Spanking my child was not an easy choice, especially with my husband’s back ground as an abused child. I don’t parent based on emotions, and I wasn’t spanking her out of anger or frustration. I was trying to break the spiral of out of control emotions that she couldn’t get under control.

Since you are the one holding a view that is not based on the Bible or on the teaching of the Church, there is no reason why I should have to defend my parenting. God Bless.🙂
 
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