Is the Charismatic Renewal Catholic

[brigid12]

There is no denying that charismatic-style worship is something that protestants do, however the protestant denoms. came out of the Catholic Church (either directly or indirectly) so looking at it for more than a few decades but rather for centuries and centuries, it is Catholic as much as Catholics are Christians (eg. Acts, etc.) If it is truly a gift of the Holy Spirit, then who are we to denigrade it?
The Protestant Episcopal church of the USA (and all anglicans) say the Nicene Creed. Does that mean that that is too protestant for the Catholic Church, too? Many protestant denoms. baptize with the Trinitarian formula, also. Is that protestant?
Now, I prefer the TLM and I prefer any charismatic actions to be outside the Mass, however I’m not the one to decide that. On earth the Pope and the bishops in union with him decide that, but ultimately, the Holy Spirit decides. "You would have no power over me at all if it had not been given you from above; that is why the one who handed me over to you has the greater guilt." John 19:11

 

[Deacon_Ed_B]

I don’t remember seeing where anyone said you have to be Charismatic to be Catholic. I happen to be Benedictine. There is still room for Jesuits, Franciscans, Dominicans, etc. All have their place within the Church. This merely illustrates the richness of the Catholic Church for those who are in the ONE TRUE CHURCH.

Prayers & blessings
Deacon Ed B

 

[Freshman88]

I don’t know of a direct reference (like a website or book or something) – my information comes from being friends with an charismatic Armenian Orthodox family. I don’t know how large it is, but it certainly exists.

If that’s the case then I must say thatI have a really hard time imaging that the Armenian Orthodox have anything resembling the services that are being discussed presently.

 

[Ottaviani]

No.

But it is funny to watch if you don’t let their errors get to you.

 

[palmas85]

I don’t remember seeing where anyone said you have to be Charismatic to be Catholic. I happen to be Benedictine. There is still room for Jesuits, Franciscans, Dominicans, etc. All have their place within the Church. This merely illustrates the richness of the Catholic Church for those who are in the ONE TRUE CHURCH.

Prayers & blessings
Deacon Ed B

Big difference in the Benedictines and the typical charismatic my friend, big indeed…

 

[Deacon_Ed_B]

Big difference in the Benedictines and the typical charismatic my friend, big indeed…

Just as with some of the religious orders.

 

[Michael96]

What’s Protestant is this modern-day notion that the Sacraments are, pretty much, ‘not enough’

But Paul - I agree - but would we both also agree that the work of the Holy Spirit is not *limited *to the sacraments?

 

[NolePaul2009]

To the answer to the question…I say yes.

Now to address Palma’s take about Lifeteen. It is an awesome movement that brings the youth back to the Church, which is what it needs. I was a core member in the Lifeteen Program at Christ the King Catholic Church in Jax, Florida, and it was amazing to see so many youth on fire for the Lord and for the Church.

 

[Paul_Folbrecht]

But Paul - I agree - but would we both also agree that the work of the Holy Spirit is not *limited *to the sacraments?

Of course not.

But that is not all the Charismatic movement I know implies - they go well ‘beyond’ that.

 

[Paul_Folbrecht]

If it is truly a gift of the Holy Spirit, then who are we to denigrade it?

Yeah, if is the big word in that sentence.

After seeing everybody ‘praying in tongues’ at a gathering, and then hearing their opinions on various things - I formed my own opinion on whether or not they all had a valid, miraculous Gift of the Holy Spirit.

The Protestant Episcopal church of the USA (and all anglicans) say the Nicene Creed. Does that mean that that is too protestant for the Catholic Church, too?

Your logic is flawed here. Obviously, since Protestant communities flowed out of the true Church, they inherited quite a bit.

But a movement that started as Protestant and moved to the Catholic Church is another matter completely.

 

[Paul_Folbrecht]

Why?

Just an aside, I definitely accept the validity of the charisms.

Equally, I totally reject the notion that the Charismatic Renewal has anything at all to do with them. They did not miraculously come about because of this movement which is from what I have seen comprised primarily of holier than thou types who feel that they are somehow more special and more in touch with the Holy Spirit than the rest of us who have not yet experienced the baptism of the Holy Spirit.

The Holy Spirit bestows the charisms upon whom He chooses when He chooses and how He chooses and not upon all who ask for them and claim to be able to manipulate them to their own ends.

Sorry.

Well put.

 

[palmas85]

Just as with some of the religious orders.

Exactly correct. Some religious orders are true to their purpose, remain orthodox in the face of adversity and steer a straight path. Others don’t. I’m glad that we agree.

 

[palmas85]

To the answer to the question…I say yes.

Now to address Palma’s take about Lifeteen. It is an awesome movement that brings the youth back to the Church, which is what it needs. I was a core member in the Lifeteen Program at Christ the King Catholic Church in Jax, Florida, and it was amazing to see so many youth on fire for the Lord and for the Church.

Boy I don’t know how you knew I needed a good laugh this evening but I sure did,

Thanks, it was a good one:thumbsup:

 

[NolePaul2009]

Palma,

What is so funny about my post? Would you rather the teens not come back to church and not caring about their faith? I am responding from a first hand experience.

 

[Lujack]

Exactly correct. Some religious orders are true to their purpose, remain orthodox in the face of adversity and steer a straight path. Others don’t. I’m glad that we agree.

Not all forms of Catholic spirituality are the same. There is nothing inherently wrong with a more charismatic form of spirituality, just as there is nothing wrong with a more monastic form. That doesn’t mean that charismatics are prone to certain errors, but those errors don’t invalidate the whole movement anymore than Jansenism can invalidate monasticism.

 

[Rick_C]

Well said. i never seen this group. but for what i read here about what they say it seems very clear to me that it is very protestant to me.

Since when did Pentecost and the Gifts of the Holy Spirit become a Protestant thing? And just what did the Apostles do at the descent of the Holy Spirit? They praised God. We should do the same.

 

[Sir_Anthony]

well, short answer it can be.

However, I am sometime doubtful of charismatic services, for as someone who has gone to charismatic protestant churches often times it is more of an emotional experience, like a really good pep rally, then you go out there and you are like oh lets go convert people and stuff. The trouble is that eventually (at least for me), it was a very shallow faith in the charismatic, more interested in numbers than true conversions, and people are prone to become more spiritually burned out I find in such movements. Not too mention, I don’t like any kind of Church that focuses on one part of scriptures like how charismatics focus speaking in tongues or healings (not to say they aren’t important, but there is a lot of other good stuff in there that are neglected) as a sign of the Holy Spirit in their form of worship (not to compare, but most of the cases of exorcisms I read about, the demon speaks in tongue). I can’t wait till we have snake-handling Catholics.

They certainly have a place within the Church, but they need to put into a context. I have no problem with them evangelising on the street like this, however to me the Mass is a no-no. I don’t think jumping and screaming out in tongues or whatever else do they belongs in the Mass, which should be solemn, reverent, holy. That is one hour out of 168 hours a week, with the rest they can be doing this. This is my opinion, and I’m sticking to it. Good night and have a better tomorrow

 

[ErrorCMDR]

Since when did Pentecost and the Gifts of the Holy Spirit become a Protestant thing? And just what did the Apostles do at the descent of the Holy Spirit? They praised God. We should do the same.

Being an Ex-Pentacostal I would say when they started yelling in baby speak and saying its a Gift. I have seen simular behavior with my sister in law and neice when she was a baby. She says one ramble of noise and her mother turns it into a hudge dialog of what she said.

I hate to tell the Carasmatics but it is a parlor trick (the modern speaking in tongues and Falling in the Spirit) It is no different then in Africa where people get very emotional and can channel their gods. It is called Trance people. High emotions and Spirtuality + belief = Carismatic.

If you look at it with a sceptical and scientific mind you will see past the protestant lie.
I was terribly sad when I found out this was now Catholic. *ewwww
Its fine for a bunch of protestants to speak like babies and think God is at work but it is a sad day when it enters Christ’s Church.
Compare the Charismatic Acts with that of tribal people channeling. Its the same and unless that South African is realy being made into a Zombie I think we might have a problem.

Can’t wait till they bring in the snakes to pass around, laugh now at this rate it might not be so far off. I realy would like to see if when they get to Heaven and meet Jesus are they going to speak to him or just babble like a nut? That will be fun to watch I tell you what.

I know in Pentecostal worship people often yell out. Speaking in tounges or just a story of Christ’s impact on their life, one day in the middle of the sermon a man pops up out of his seat and yells out “I got a testimony of the Lord Jesus Christ” and thank the Lord for once the paster their said “Sit Back Down” that was the only time I ever felt God moving in that church.

God Bless

EC

Sorry for the spelling on a Computer with no spell check. ahhhhhh

 

[Deacon_Ed_B]

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However, I am sometime doubtful of charismatic services, for as someone who has gone to charismatic protestant churches often times it is more of an emotional experience, like a really good pep rally, then you go out there and you are like oh lets go convert people and stuff. **The trouble is that eventually (at least for me), it was a very shallow faith in the charismatic, more interested in numbers than true conversions, and people are prone to become more spiritually burned out I find in such movements. ** **Not too mention, I don’t like any kind of Church that focuses on one part of scriptures like how charismatics focus speaking in tongues or healings (not to say they aren’t important, but there is a lot of other good stuff in there that are neglected) as a sign of the Holy Spirit in their form of worship (not to compare, but most of the cases of exorcisms I read about, the demon speaks in tongue). I can’t wait till we have snake-handling Catholics.
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Comments such as I have highlighted, tell me you really DO NOT know anything about the Charismatic movement, but are rather paroting misinformation. If you do this from experience, I pray for you.

Would you mqke these comments to Popes Paul VI, John Paul II and Benmedict XVI. Whether you know it or not, they are Charismatic and wholly endorse the movement. Follow their teaching, not misinformation from others.
Prayers & blessings
Deacon Ed B

 

[Icarus210]

Short History, I was bought up an Anglican, then joined the “Jesus Freak” Movement in the late 60s early 70s. Became a traditional Catholic at the tender age of 50.

I personally dont think anyone spoke in tongues on the Day of Pentecost; as my priest explained to me during my catechism, that the Apostles spoke in their tongue, and the listeners HEARD in their own. Hence the miracle was in the Hearing, not the speaking. As he explained it would be easier and more logical for God to give each the meaning He wanted each to hear, rather than the Apostles amazingly speak 25 languages simultaneously. Yes of course the speakers assumed that the apostle was talking in their language because that is what he was hearing. Plus of course there was no need for “Interpretation” … Oh well… I was convinced.

God Bless
Iccy