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estesbob
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Setting this up to discuss an off topic offshoot of another thread.
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LRThunder
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According to some, probably.
But I’d say the Church is more tolerant than some might think. After all, during the early days of the Church, there were some that thought one couldn’t be a Christian unless they were first Jewish. Us Gentiles would not have had a chance if that had held up.
But I’d say the Church is more tolerant than some might think. After all, during the early days of the Church, there were some that thought one couldn’t be a Christian unless they were first Jewish. Us Gentiles would not have had a chance if that had held up.
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Mr_Jullien
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Let them accuse the Word of God of being "intolerant".
No matter what people say or how they feel, the Holy Catholic Church cannot re-write Sacred Scripture to suite anyone’s agenda, beliefs, preferences or opinions.
Let the Word of God speak for Itself.
Romans 1: 22-27 **22 **For professing themselves to be wise, they became fools. **23 **And they changed the glory of the incorruptible God into the likeness of the image of a corruptible man, and of birds, and of fourfooted beasts, and of creeping things. 24 Wherefore God gave them up to the desires of their heart, unto uncleanness, to dishonour their own bodies among themselves. 25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie; and worshipped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
26 For this cause God delivered them up to shameful affections. For their women have changed the natural use into that use which is against nature. 27 And, in like manner, the men also, leaving the natural use of the women, have burned in their lusts one towards another, men with men working that which is filthy, and receiving in themselves the recompense which was due to their error.
**1 Corinthians 6: 9-10
**9 Know you not that the unjust shall not possess the kingdom of God? Do not err: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, 10 Nor the effeminate, nor liers with mankind, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor railers, nor extortioners, shall possess the kingdom of God.
**1 Timothy 1: 9-10
**9 Knowing this, that the law is not made for the just man, but for the unjust and disobedient, for the ungodly, and for sinners, for the wicked and defiled, for murderers of fathers, and murderers of mothers, for manslayers, 10 For fornicators, for them who defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and whatever other thing is contrary to sound doctrine
I will never make apologies for Sacred Scripture. **
PAX**,
Jullien
No matter what people say or how they feel, the Holy Catholic Church cannot re-write Sacred Scripture to suite anyone’s agenda, beliefs, preferences or opinions.
Let the Word of God speak for Itself.
Romans 1: 22-27 **22 **For professing themselves to be wise, they became fools. **23 **And they changed the glory of the incorruptible God into the likeness of the image of a corruptible man, and of birds, and of fourfooted beasts, and of creeping things. 24 Wherefore God gave them up to the desires of their heart, unto uncleanness, to dishonour their own bodies among themselves. 25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie; and worshipped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
26 For this cause God delivered them up to shameful affections. For their women have changed the natural use into that use which is against nature. 27 And, in like manner, the men also, leaving the natural use of the women, have burned in their lusts one towards another, men with men working that which is filthy, and receiving in themselves the recompense which was due to their error.
**1 Corinthians 6: 9-10
**9 Know you not that the unjust shall not possess the kingdom of God? Do not err: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, 10 Nor the effeminate, nor liers with mankind, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor railers, nor extortioners, shall possess the kingdom of God.
**1 Timothy 1: 9-10
**9 Knowing this, that the law is not made for the just man, but for the unjust and disobedient, for the ungodly, and for sinners, for the wicked and defiled, for murderers of fathers, and murderers of mothers, for manslayers, 10 For fornicators, for them who defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and whatever other thing is contrary to sound doctrine
I will never make apologies for Sacred Scripture. **
PAX**,
Jullien
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Orionthehunter
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Yes and No.
Yes: The Church is intolerant of grave sin, including murder, adultery, stealing, worshipping other gods, envy and unnatural, non-sacramental sex.
No: The Church always and unconditionally loves the sinner no matter how abhorrent the behavior is.
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vern_humphrey
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This is what the Church says about homosexuality. The Church does accept homosexuals, and accords them the same human dignity as it accords all others.
Homosexual acts, however, are disordered and sinful.
If I may stretch a point, the Church regards homosexuals as it regards all other people with special problems, such as alcoholics and drug addicts. It accepts the person without endorsing the behavior.
Homosexual acts, however, are disordered and sinful.
If I may stretch a point, the Church regards homosexuals as it regards all other people with special problems, such as alcoholics and drug addicts. It accepts the person without endorsing the behavior.
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rlg94086
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That’s exactly what I was thinking…except mine was going to be a one-liner, of course. 
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Mr_Jullien
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Rosalinda
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The Church respects people who suffer with same sex attraction too much to allow them to define themselves solely by their weakness. No one is a “homosexual” or a “lesbian”. They are all children of God and as such are expected to live accordingly. I refuse to call anyone a “homosexual”. Such a label is an offense to their dignity.
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Mommyof02green
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LOVE the sinner…
Hate the sin…
Hate the sin…
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asquared
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absolutely, the Catholic Church does not tolerate any sin because it is an offense against God and against the Body of Christ and every member of the Church. Tolerance is no virtue when it encourages and enables vice.
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hasikelee
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Is the church intolerant for not accepting adulterous behavior?
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vern_humphrey
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That, of course, is the subtext of this thread. The Church should encourage and enable vice, because it’s, like, more PC, and like, when is the Church going to get with it and move into the modern world, and who are we to judge and all that. You know?
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Mr_Jullien
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Greetings Asquared,
You stated the answer much better than I ever could.
As Catholics, we embrace sinners. As we are all sinners.
However, that doesn’t mean Holy Mother Church and Her members are to embrace or condone sin or sinful behavior. To do so would be putting our own souls in jeopardy. No matter what type of sinful behavior it is.
It’s not as if the Church’s teachings are targeting certain groups of people; She’s not persecuting human beings. However, she must preach against sin and sinful behavior.
People, on both sides of the fence, need to distinguish between the two.
I can’t help but wonder, though: What’s the real issue, here?
Is it "Tolerance/Intolerance", or is it an issue of Obedience (or lack thereof) to the Magisterium, on the part of those who feel persecuted by the Church and Her Teachings?
PAX,
Jullien
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elg26
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I think this thread got it’s start from a question of why some people might leave the church, or not want to join the church.
I agree that the Catholic belief is that homosexual relationships are not tolerated by the church. And, if someone wants to be a part of a homosexual relationship, they must find another religion to be a part of.
Some people might still view the church as intolerant, since they impose thier opinion of the homosexual lifestyle as a criteria to be a full practicing member.
This belief could certainly be a reason why some people leave, or do not choose to join, the Catholic religion.
Anyways…If you believe in God’s love, and heaven, does anyone really think that a person who is part of a homosexual relationship will not be able to attain heaven?
elg…
I agree that the Catholic belief is that homosexual relationships are not tolerated by the church. And, if someone wants to be a part of a homosexual relationship, they must find another religion to be a part of.
Some people might still view the church as intolerant, since they impose thier opinion of the homosexual lifestyle as a criteria to be a full practicing member.
This belief could certainly be a reason why some people leave, or do not choose to join, the Catholic religion.
Anyways…If you believe in God’s love, and heaven, does anyone really think that a person who is part of a homosexual relationship will not be able to attain heaven?
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vern_humphrey
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A person who deliberately commits an act that he knows to be a mortal sin does imperil his salvation.
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prv
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No, the Church only carries out the will of Christ. Jesus very explicitly says that he who divorces his wife commits adultery, he who marries one who is divorced does likewise, and a woman who does the same to a man does likewise. There is an exception, the Pauline Privilege allowed by St. Paul and consequently permitted by the Catholic Church.
And yet, this is still a topic for another thread.
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rlg94086
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Believing in “God’s love and heaven” doesn’t negate the belief that you can’t enter heaven if you die in a state of mortal sin. Homosexual acts are a mortal sin. If a person is regularly engaging in homosexual acts (or any other mortal sin - adultery included) without contrite confession, “will not be able to attain heaven.”
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vern_humphrey
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How could it be otherwise? To deny that one can lose salvation through the persistant and non-repentant commission of mortal sins is to deny that sin itself exists.
And if sin does not exist, why did Christ have to die for us?
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rlg94086
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Apparently, some Christians believe that once you have “accepted Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior”, all sin (past and future) has been forgiven. It doesn’t make any sense to me, but that is what I have heard argued.
It sure would make the “narrow road” pretty easy to navigate.
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vern_humphrey
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I suspect we are dealing with someone who wants the Catholic Church to adopt the “Once saved, always saved” nonsense.Apparently, some Christians believe that once you have “accepted Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior”, all sin (past and future) has been forgiven. It doesn’t make any sense to me, but that is what I have heard argued.
It sure would make the “narrow road” pretty easy to navigate.
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