Is the patriarchy a good thing?

[edwest211]

It’s interesting to see what drives some people. I was going through the newspaper and saw an article about the “male dominated meat cutting industry.” By all means, if you want to cut up animal carcasses for 40 hours a week, go for it.

 

[PetraG]

It’s interesting to see what drives some people. I was going through the newspaper and saw an article about the “male dominated meat cutting industry.” By all means, if you want to cut up animal carcasses for 40 hours a week, go for it.

Did you read the article? I read one in which one of the women said when she was trying to get a loan for her now-very-successful business, a banker asked her: “Wouldn’t you rather just go home and bake cookies?”
(The male-dominated meat industry is in need of skilled labor. Why not women? - The Boston Globe)

Tell me when in the history of your life you would expect to hear a line like that when you were applying for a business loan. If you can name a single one, we can talk. In the meantime, do not just assume that everyone out there who hears that a woman wants to be a meat-cutter just says “go for it.” Even in the 21st century, heaven help us, it doesn’t work like that. (Not that guys who are not as tall or as big as other men do not get versions of the same kind of patronizing nonsense.)

 

[edwest211]

The 21st Century? What does that have to do with anything? Later on, the same newspaper ran an article showing a woman dressed in standard meat cutter clothes on the job.

 

[PetraG]

The 21st Century? What does that have to do with anything? Later on, the same newspaper ran an article showing a woman dressed in standard meat cutter clothes on the job.

I’m saying you say “go for it” as if there is no one in our times standing in the way but just the physical reality that some women aren’t physically big enough to do that kind of work. No, it doesn’t work like that.

Do not get me wrong. I am not a fan of lowering physical standards for jobs only for women. If a woman can apply for a job for something like firefighting with some standard of physical strength and endurance, I think it is only fair that men who can meet those standards ought to be considered just as qualified. I do not believe in artificial standards, one way or the other. It isn’t just.

 

[MagdalenaRita]

Women have been butchering meat for centuries. Many in my own family butchered meat. They were farmers wives.

 

[niceatheist]

The shotgun wedding was a feature of those good ol’ days. I had to aunts who were married in their teens, and both of them did so before the Sexual Revolution.

As usual when you see people pining for the good ol’ days, their nostalgia is based on mythology. Lots of people had sex out of wedlock before the sexual revolution, and most people kept marrying and didn’t enter bordellos after the Sexual Revolution.

 

[PetraG]

Women have been butchering meat for centuries. Many in my own family butchered meat. They were farmers wives.

We always thought it was funny when we were growing up the kinds of work that were only “man’s work” until some farmer found himself with all daughters, lol. Funny how all of a sudden his girls were made of sturdier stuff than the girls on the neighboring farms.

 

[MagdalenaRita]

The shotgun wedding was a feature of those good ol’ days. I had to aunts who were married in their teens, and both of them did so before the Sexual Revolution.

Yes, it is true in the past if a woman became pregnant out of wedlock, rather than having an abortion, she many times chose to marry instead. They put the life and well being of the child first. If they were very young, as you say in their teens, someone would adopt the child.

 

[edwest211]

My mother did the same. I’m referring to industrial-scale, disassembly line situations. I also read an article where women were saying: “Watch out guys, we’re coming to your male dominated gyms and fitness centers.” Uh… OK.

 

[MagdalenaRita]

For years farmers wives and non farmers wives worked side by side with their husbands. The women did not need to be feminists. They just knew they had to care for their home and feed their family.

 

[niceatheist]

niceatheist:

The shotgun wedding was a feature of those good ol’ days. I had to aunts who were married in their teens, and both of them did so before the Sexual Revolution.

Yes, it is true in the past if a woman became pregnant out of wedlock, rather than having an abortion, she many times chose to marry instead. They put the life and well being of the child first. If they were very young, as you say in their teens, someone would adopt the child.

I should add that both aunts ended up married to abusive husbands, and both divorced their husbands in the 1970s because of that abuse.

Life wasn’t like the Cleaver Family for many women. Getting pregnant young and locked in to a marriage with a man you didn’t know, who was often himself still a teenager or in his early 20s didn’t always end up in marital bliss.

 

[MagdalenaRita]

Yes, this is what is happening. This is one of the goals of feminism. Take away the jobs from men and turn men into housewives.

 

[MagdalenaRita]

I should add that both aunts ended up married to abusive husbands, and both divorced their husbands in the 1970s because of that abuse.

Life wasn’t like the Cleaver Family for many women. Getting pregnant young and locked in to a marriage with a man you didn’t know, who was often himself still a teenager or in his early 20s didn’t always end up in marital bliss.

There are all kinds of stories and situations that happened, not all were as horrible as you portray. There were several women in my family and in my husbands family, who in the 60’s were pregnant out of wedlock. All married, had more children and had happy lives, till death do us part… It works both ways.

 

[edwest211]

The good ol’ days were not perfect but were far better than today. The poison of the Sexual Revolution is being spent. Those liberated times caused a lot of problems. In fact, some people are starting to figure out that going along with it is a bad idea.

Sexual Revolution

www.sexualrevolutionmovie.com

The Church vs. The Sexual Revolution

Don't believe the headlines. The battle continues. Journalists covering the synod meeting of bishops in Rome have reported that they haven't had this...

www.catholiceducation.org

 

[niceatheist]

For years farmers wives and non farmers wives worked side by side with their husbands. The women did not need to be feminists. They just knew they had to care for their home and feed their family.

My grandmother hunted with my grandfather, and was by all accounts a better shot than he was. She also held down many jobs, particularly when her older daughters were able to look after the younger children. Both were breadwinners, particularly during the Depression. My grandmother also kept the family finances afloat because my grandfather, a wonderful and kindly man, was just horrible with money. By the 1960s my grandfather had a good job, my father and my youngest aunt were both over ten years old, and my grandmother became caterer. She always put money in the family bank account, and was proud of the fact that she was able to work and raise five children.

Again, this whole notion of the “ideal family” may have been an ideal, but was often anything but. Husbands and wives often had to work during the hard times. During the Depression I know that even the oldest children were out picking wildberries during the summer alongside my grandparents to earn extra cash. Everyone pitched in.

 

[edwest211]

Well, maybe. I’m all for giving women the jobs they want as long as they meet the requirements. I dislike the continuing us versus them theme. Yes, some women are still encountering problems. I get that. But if you saw the Women’s Liberation Movement of the 1970s, the primary goal was disrespecting men, contraception and abortion. Fewer babies and more sex.

And families? Who needs families? After all, who wants to live in “a comfortable concentration camp.”? (Betty Friedan)

 

[edwest211]

Promoting a worldview without factual information outside of your own personal experience is not the way to make a point. I picked berries, apples and cherries. I pitched in whenever I was needed. My mother painted our house, not that my dad was lazy or anything. The job he had was tough physical labor. They both grew up on farms. I do appreciate your comments.

 

[edwest211]

More about the problems caused by the Sexual Revolution:

3 Ways the Sexual Revolution Destroys Lives

An interview with Dr. Jennifer Roback Morse on The Sexual State

www.ncregister.com

 

[Lea101]

Men pursue a job, I don’t even think they call it a career, to provide for his family.

I don’t know what kind of men you know, but there are many men who have careers that they take pride in. Not all men are miserably working.

…because society is asking us to deny our feminity and masculinity not because that is how we are made.

Again, a difference is brought up and even when I talk about a situation where the man and woman would do the exact same thing.

So how exactly would you define the difference between spiritual motherhood and fatherhood? This will naturally exclude more masculine women and more feminine men and I guess with that logic, these people can’t be spiritual mothers and fathers.

There is huge gender imbalance in Asia because women are seen as inferior to men and are not deserving of life

People here tend to see things through the US lens since they’re mostly American. Unfortunately, many don’t seem to realize this whole gender equality movement from them is greatly helping us here.

There are times and situations when both a husband and wife have to work

I’m talking about situations where the mother works because she wants to, not because she must.

If a woman is out “pursuing” other things rather than her family, then one would have to ask, is she being a responsibile parent. Are her pursuits selfish pursuits? Can these pursuits wait until her children are grown? Will these pursuits bring harm to her marriage and family?

Women should have interests of their own and should be able to pursue them but not at the expense of their family.

The woman can’t work without being thought as selfish.

Working mothers are not ignoring the needs of their family as a default.

There was unhappiness and problems, but, yes, it was better and if the anger seen in feminists today, alone is any indication, then yes women were happier then

1950s was only better for those who were already inclined to homemaking. At least now you can choose.

…self sacrificing for the love of others, beginning with our family and persevering to the end for the love of others, not for our own self fulfillment.

We are not called to be unnecessary martyrs. There are women who realize that they can still work and still love the heck out of their families and put them first.

Most women tend to work less after having families. They have their careers, but they aren’t afraid to attend to their sick child. I only wish men are allowed/would want to do the same if they’re able to.

You can have both. You don’t have to constantly be a martyr.

the depression rate amongst SAHMS is bad because they’re not used to putting themselves first when they need to.

 

[edwest211]

The 1950s were not perfect but it was a lot better than today. We didn’t lock our doors at night. Most of our neighbors treated each other well. Yes, there were a few bad apples, but that didn’t mean you stopped saying hello to them. I was simply told not to bother them.