Is The Pope Pushing For One World Government?

[RachelsAlumni]

Solidarity with those who wish to do evil when they should be confronted, even if the solidarity is for good, is not Catholic…We’ll over look the fact that you want to kill kids as long as you feed the living ones, is not a Catholic position.

It’s not an either/or i.e. either one supports the rights of those in their earliest stages of life (embryo to birth) or those in later stages of life (birth to natural death). The Church’s Gospel of Life affirms the rights of all from conception to natural death.

To say the Church shouldn’t preach the gospel of life (including solidarity) to the UN because the UN allows abortion doesn’t make sense. If that were the case then the Apostles shouldn’t have preached the gospel to the Pagans who also committed not only abortion but infanticide. IMO they are the ones who need to be taught all the more. Jesus came not for the righteous, but for the sinners.

I think you may have a misunderstanding of the meaning of solidarity:

“Solidarity” in my view has become a dirty word. We need to feed the hungry yes, but the way to do this is not through solidarity it is through defeating evil in our time.

Here’s what the Catechism says about Solidarity:

III. HUMAN SOLIDARITY

1939 The principle of solidarity, also articulated in terms of “friendship” or “social charity,” is a direct demand of human and Christian brotherhood.45

An error, "today abundantly widespread, is disregard for the law of human solidarity and charity, dictated and imposed both by our common origin and by the equality in rational nature of all men, whatever nation they belong to. This law is sealed by the sacrifice of redemption offered by Jesus Christ on the altar of the Cross to his heavenly Father, on behalf of sinful humanity."46 (Pius XII, Summi pontificatus, October 20, 1939; AAS 31 (1939) 423 ff.)

1940 Solidarity is manifested in the first place by the distribution of goods and remuneration for work. It also presupposes the effort for a more just social order where tensions are better able to be reduced and conflicts more readily settled by negotiation.

1941 Socio-economic problems can be resolved only with the help of all the forms of solidarity: solidarity of the poor among themselves, between rich and poor, of workers among themselves, between employers and employees in a business, solidarity among nations and peoples. International solidarity is a requirement of the moral order; world peace depends in part upon this.

1942 The virtue of solidarity goes beyond material goods. In spreading the spiritual goods of the faith, the Church has promoted, and often opened new paths for, the development of temporal goods as well. And so throughout the centuries has the Lord’s saying been verified: “Seek first his kingdom and his righteousness, and all these things shall be yours as well”:47

For two thousand years this sentiment has lived and endured in the soul of the Church, impelling souls then and now to the heroic charity of monastic farmers, liberators of slaves, healers of the sick, and messengers of faith, civilization, and science to all generations and all peoples for the sake of creating the social conditions capable of offering to everyone possible a life worthy of man and of a Christian.48

 

[Steve40]

It’s not an either/or i.e. either one supports the rights of those in their earliest stages of life (embryo to birth) or those in later stages of life (birth to natural death). The Church’s Gospel of Life affirms the rights of all from conception to natural death.

To say the Church shouldn’t preach the gospel of life (including solidarity) to the UN because the UN allows abortion doesn’t make sense. If that were the case then the Apostles shouldn’t have preached the gospel to the Pagans who also committed not only abortion but infanticide. IMO they are the ones who need to be taught all the more. Jesus came not for the righteous, but for the sinners.

I think you may have a misunderstanding of the meaning of solidarity:

Here’s what the Catechism says about Solidarity:

Maybe you are right. I’m not the Pope’s judge. He can say whatever he wants. I just wish at the end he would say “…and one more thing, the UN stinks and should be disbanded…” Now that would be cool, but I don’t think he’s got the political guts to say it but I’m not his judge and the Pope can say what he wants.

 

[DanteAlighieri]

I believe human life is worth dieing for and if necessary killing in just war for. On this side of original sin I don’t see the possibility of what he is talking about, but I do see the possible manipulation of his words to the point of more evil, not less. “Solidarity” in my view has become a dirty word. We need to feed the hungry yes, but the way to do this is not through solidarity it is through defeating evil in our time.

It would, perhaps, be instructive to look at the actualy meaning of the word. Solidarity means “unity” or oneness; this does not (indeed, it probably cannot) necessarily happen through a unity of government; rather, it is an acknowledgement of our oneness in Christ – that is, we must recognize that we are all on the same team even if we live in different nations.

That you personally have a distaste for a word that has always had a positive connotation is your choice. The rest of the world sees the word solidarity in a positive light (except, perhaps, dictators who see solidarity movements as a threat to their power).

Peace,
Dante

 

[Steve40]

It would, perhaps, be instructive to look at the actualy meaning of the word. Solidarity means “unity” or oneness; this does not (indeed, it probably cannot) necessarily happen through a unity of government; rather, it is an acknowledgement of our oneness in Christ – that is, we must recognize that we are all on the same team even if we live in different nations.

That you personally have a distaste for a word that has always had a positive connotation is your choice. The rest of the world sees the word solidarity in a positive light (except, perhaps, dictators who see solidarity movements as a threat to their power).

Peace,
Dante

I like the words One, Holy, Catholic, and Apolstalic. All should be Catholic (universal). There is no salvation outside the Church. How’s about a Catholic State. That is what we will have when Christ returns anyway. Then we will have true solidarity. The solidarity of Babel spits in God’s Holy Face. But just as Babel was dispersed God will deal with this perverse age and their perverse secular solidarity.

 

[DanteAlighieri]

I like the words One, Holy, Catholic, and Apolstalic. All should be Catholic (universal). There is no salvation outside the Church. How’s about a Catholic State. That is what we will have when Christ returns anyway. Then we will have true solidarity. The solidarity of Babel spits in God’s Holy Face. But just as Babel was dispersed God will deal with this perverse age and their perverse secular solidarity.

The meaning of “outside the Church” is a matter that has been tackled in countless other threads. Suffice it to say that it does not mean we must thumb our noses at uniting with non-Catholics to address global problems!

Babel wasn’t solidarity – it was hubris. Man tried to reach heaven; the operative characteristic of the men who built the tower wasn’t solidarity but arrogance.

The pope is not advocating that the world should stand shoulder-to-shoulder and thus shirk its need of God; he is advocating that all men stand together to help all men who need it, regardless of the religious beliefs or governments of the men giving or receiving the help.

Again: that you believe “A” means “B” does not change the fact that “A” means “A”. Solidarity means “unity” – not Catholic unity, but unity nonetheless.

How on earth could it be contrary to Church teaching for, say, the US, China, Russia, Zimbabwe, Chile, Ireland, Monaco, and Lichtenstein to agree to send aid to the starving children of Country X?

Finally, where are you getting this “Catholic state” thing? I’m not familiar with any Church teaching that says anything other than that we will be judged when Christ returns.

Peace,
Dante

 

[Eden]

You don’t communicate in solidarity with them. Hence the word “ex”-communication.

Excommunication means one is no longer “in Communion” with the Church,* not* that communication (dialogue) is cut off. It is much more grave than that. One can’t even receive the Holy Eucharist after excommunication. Only Catholics can be excommunicated by the Church.

Please research the *actual *meaning of Excommunication:

newadvent.org/cathen/05678a.htm

 

[Eden]

Maybe you are right. I’m not the Pope’s judge. He can say whatever he wants. I just wish at the end he would say “…and one more thing, the UN stinks and should be disbanded…” Now that would be cool, but I don’t think he’s got the political guts to say it but I’m not his judge and the Pope can say what he wants.

The Pope knows that the Lord can work through flawed souls, I’m sure he feels the U.N., if directed to the proper course, can be used to bring about good, even if the organization itself is flawed.