Is the Republican party truly pro-life?

[goout]

Recognizing the right to live is primary to any other effort toward human rights or dignity, because human rights are for living human beings. Human rights are not ethical theories. Human rights are grounded in the concrete existence of human beings.
And unfortunately a sort of gnostic view of humanity predominates in our culture.

 

[blackforest]

I have not read through this topic, but I think we need to be careful about letting secular liberalism co-opt the term pro-life from us.

I don’t know what you mean by “secular liberalism” getting in the way. Most of the political issues we discuss are (hopefully) informed by our faith but in and of themselves secular. And while I agree that the abortion issue is the most urgent to address, that doesn’t mean abandoning the others in the dust. Most women are getting abortions for socio-economic reasons, (just look up “reasons, women, abortions” and find your favorite source), so those factors do need to be addressed if we’re serious about stopping abortion.

 

[Sarcelle]

Recognizing the right to life is the beginning or the foundation for human rights. That much is true.

We shouldn’t stop there.

Oppressing the poor and disenfranchised is also not pro-life.

 

[goout]

Recognizing the right to life is the beginning or the foundation for human rights. That much is true.

We shouldn’t stop there.

Oppressing the poor and disenfranchised is also not pro-life.

geez. Where is that even implied?
This is such an old and tired, baseless canard.

 

[Sarcelle]

True.

So abortion is made illegal. Women give birth to these babies but why make childbirth extraordinarily expensive? Why make medical care so extraordinarily expensive?

So merely making abortion illegal is not enough.

 

[Sarcelle]

It’s true.

Just because you don’t experience it doesn’t mean it’s not true.

 

[goout]

I’m just going to leave the thread rather than get involved in tired prejudices based on political talking points and demonizations.

What you are insinuating about pro lifers being negligent in other life issues is a tired and baseless prejudice that has no foundation in reality.
Have a good day.

 

[adamhovey1988]

-complicent with inhumane border control detention centers where people are put in cages, and some even dying.

Obama administration put kids in cages

-looking down on the welfare system that would allow poor mothers to actually take care of the child when it’s born.

Yeah, this isn’t true. Especially since Conservatives are the biggest charitable donors in the US.

-Passive on climate change.

Because “science says” isn’t a good reason. And by the way, there are plenty of Conservative and Libertarian owned “Green” companies that didn’t have to be forced to be so. I know this, because alternative energy is something I want to invest in.

-Blackballing people who protest police brutality and racial injustice.

Because leftists makeup numbers that don’t really exist. There is NO EVIDENCE that police discriminate against black people, anymore than they do non-Hispanic Whites, or any other group. In fact, the most disproportional group, in terms of police brutality, seems to be American Indians. And since most American Indians in the US are mixed, to at least some extent, you can’t really say that’s based on race; I.E., the cops don’t know they’re Indian until after they’ve been shot.

This is the reason why I have voted 3rd party, because while I am pro-life, it seems kind of hypocritical to look at all of these other issues with the attitude of “well, they’re not that big of a deal compared to abortion.”

Yeah, Trump earned my vote by passing broad legislation in favour of the Pro-life movement, helping the economy (which leftists do not know how that works, one can be a Democrat and still figure this out, Bill Clinton had a pretty good economy, even if he was terrible in other ways)
You are basing your views on the GOP based on stereotypes, not statistics.
And for the record, I am not a Republican. George W. Bush and other Neoconservatives (and I do not use that term lightly, and not necessarily as an insult), repelled me for a while. But, Donald Trump of all people, did not start any wars. If the Republican party keeps to that, I think I may not have all that many problems with them.
By the way, I understand voting third party, but yes, as it now stands, the Republican party is pro-life.

 

[VanitasVanitatum]

This type of technicalities are counter productive in practice.

 

[goout]

This type of technicalities are counter productive in practice.

I wholeheartedly disagree. Recognizing the primary right to live is not a technicality it’s the foundation for a civil society.
We can think of many “human welfare improvement projects” there were superficial and just underneath the veneer is barbarism.