Is the United States the best country ever?

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Why not? Because they know they’ve got it better than anyone else.
The ‘better than anyone else’ rather depends on all sorts of circumstances. For example, my relatives in the US have bigger (and more than a couple of centuries newer!) houses than we do but they’re not ‘worth’ as much, never mind the personal taste issues about the environment one lives in so what does ‘better than anyone else mean’?

Meanwhile, there’s Italy where we spend weeks every year . . . . how on earth can you compare an Italian city with an American city? They’re just very, very different and ‘better than anyone else’ is meaningless.
 
Ah, Italy… That beautiful place with rampant unemployment, because you can’t be fired without a court order so employers don’t hire anyone so as not to be stuck in that boat.

Ah, the old “America is all I know, but I know I don’t like it, so I’ll move to somewhere I’ve never been and have absolutely no direct knowledge of,” statement.

[head shaking]

Before people decide where to live, could they at least have the presence of mind to visit the place first?
 
Before people decide where to live, could they at least have the presence of mind to visit the place first?
Always a good idea - even making pronouncements about other places is a bit ‘iffy’. 😉
 
The ‘better than anyone else’ rather depends on all sorts of circumstances. For example, my relatives in the US have bigger (and more than a couple of centuries newer!) houses than we do but they’re not ‘worth’ as much, never mind the personal taste issues about the environment one lives in so what does ‘better than anyone else mean’?

Meanwhile, there’s Italy where we spend weeks every year . . . . how on earth can you compare an Italian city with an American city? They’re just very, very different and ‘better than anyone else’ is meaningless.
What do you mean by a house not “worth as much”?

When it comes to housing, dollar (or pound) values can be meaningless. We in NA saw that in spades in 2007.

Yes, a house in England is likely to be worth several times more financially than a larger one in NA, but (assuming that the owners are equally content with where they live) does this imply “betterness”, or just more abundant real estate in NA?

ICXC NIKA
 
We USAniks (and probably NAniks generally) have a propensity to shoot our mouths off. Talk is cheap.

I know that I am likely to be disappointed with whoever Becomes president of this country in 2017. But even in our abbreviated history, we have seen far worse.

The problem is that most of my fellow citizens no longer know their own history, never mind the world.

ICXC NIKA
 
Folks, my point is not to trash other nations.

Rather, my point is that a large number of people – particularly American young people – have some idealized, romanticized visions of what they think country X is like, when in fact they have zero – and I mean ZERO – knowledge of what country X is really like, nor any knowledge of how good they have it here in the USA.

For example, take the above “the USA is all I know, but I’ll move to New Zealand.” New Zealand isn’t just “that beautiful place where they filmed Lord of the Rings.” It’s a nation on the other side of the world, that is essentially impossible to really learn about without going there, and significant study. A nation may look interesting, but the whole, “I wanna live in country X but have never visited there,” is, candidly, a really immature thing to say about pretty much anywhere.

Further, people who want to leave here ought to consider that it’s not just all the items I posted a few pages back they’d lose if they left. It’s different music; different driving rules; different social norms; different places to visit (i.e. no Disneyland; the Grand Canyon; or anywhere else Americans go); and a million other aspects of life that you can’t gauge without being there in person for a while.

Look, last year I had a discussion on this board with a young person who wanted to leave Minnesota and move to Sweden because he though it was so very civilized that workers there all took a break to drink coffee and eat a sweetroll (!?!). I remember thinking the person was impossible to take seriously.
 
Folks, my point is not to trash other nations.

Rather, my point is that a large number of people – particularly American young people – have some idealized, romanticized visions of what they think country X is like, when in fact they have zero – and I mean ZERO – knowledge of what country X is really like, nor any knowledge of how good they have it here in the USA.

For example, take the above “the USA is all I know, but I’ll move to New Zealand.” New Zealand isn’t just “that beautiful place where they filmed Lord of the Rings.” It’s a nation on the other side of the world, that is essentially impossible to really learn about without going there, and significant study. A nation may look interesting, but the whole, “I wanna live in country X but have never visited there,” is, candidly, a really immature thing to say about pretty much anywhere.

Further, people who want to leave here ought to consider that it’s not just all the items I posted a few pages back they’d lose if they left. It’s different music; different driving rules; different social norms; different places to visit (i.e. no Disneyland; the Grand Canyon; or anywhere else Americans go); and a million other aspects of life that you can’t gauge without being there in person for a while.

Look, last year I had a discussion on this board with a young person who wanted to leave Minnesota and move to Sweden because he though it was so very civilized that workers there all took a break to drink coffee and eat a sweetroll (!?!). I remember thinking the person was impossible to take seriously.
Well said, PG.

I have lived outside the USA (in childhood) and I know how nostalgic it can be from outside, even from a place that is otherwise almost ideal.

Methinks the difficulty is that here, we are almost uniquely isolated from other nations, to the extent that one can if they choose live out their life without interaction with any other nation. The result is that other nations are often idealized, and Americanism devalued.

ICXC NIKA
 
What do you mean by a house not “worth as much”?

When it comes to housing, dollar (or pound) values can be meaningless. We in NA saw that in spades in 2007.

Yes, a house in England is likely to be worth several times more financially than a larger one in NA, but (assuming that the owners are equally content with where they live) does this imply “betterness”, or just more abundant real estate in NA?

ICXC NIKA
I think you’ll see that I’ve been arguing that the idea that something is ‘better’ is subjective - things are often not ‘better’ or ‘worse’, they’re just different.
 
I’m going to infuriate the lot of you Americans, speaking as a Canadian.

Our view of Niagara Falls is head on.

Therefore, Canada is the best country ever.

QED.

Sorry guys.

Oh and one more thing.

Our beer.
I will have to agree with you, lest you guys threaten to unleash another Justin Bieber on this world.
:eek:
 
I’m sorry, kaninchen, I think there are a LOT of objective criteria for measuring the better or worse of countries.

Does a nation allow legal slavery (many nations in Africa still allow this)? Can a nation defend its borders, or does it have a history of getting conquered every few decades? Does it have a tradition of elected leaders, or is there a military coup every few years? Are the people free to worship as they please? Travel as they please? Enter the profession of their choice? Do they have 24/7 electrical power (many nations don’t)? Are the courts generally honest or corrupt? Do the people have enough to eat? Or is food stolen by the rulers while the people starve? Is there some sense of paying people in proportion to what they produce? Or is it more a matter of luck? How does the nation generally treat it’s poor or disenfranchised? And on, and on, and on…

Take the best nation you can think of (I’ll say the USA). Then take the worst, circa 2016 (I’ll say North Korea). Are you really telling us that who’s better & worse is all entirely subjective?!? Entirely??
 
I’m sorry, kaninchen, I think there are a LOT of objective criteria for measuring the better or worse of countries.

Does a nation allow legal slavery (many nations in Africa still allow this)? Can a nation defend its borders, or does it have a history of getting conquered every few decades? Does it have a tradition of elected leaders, or is there a military coup every few years? Are the people free to worship as they please? Travel as they please? Enter the profession of their choice? Do they have 24/7 electrical power (many nations don’t)? Are the courts generally honest or corrupt? Do the people have enough to eat? Or is food stolen by the rulers while the people starve? Is there some sense of paying people in proportion to what they produce? Or is it more a matter of luck? How does the nation generally treat it’s poor or disenfranchised? And on, and on, and on…

Take the best nation you can think of (I’ll say the USA). Then take the worst, circa 2016 (I’ll say North Korea). Are you really telling us that who’s better & worse is all entirely subjective?!? Entirely??
I think we’re rather in the world of argumentative misdirection here - the United States is not the best country in the world because it’s better than North Korea. It isn’t unique in having 24/7 electrical power etc, etc, etc. Neither is it the worst country in the world because the worst US city is not as habitable as the best Swiss city or because its provision for its poor is not as good as that of Sweden.

So, tell me how Detroit is objectively better than Milan?
 
I’m sorry, kaninchen, I think there are a LOT of objective criteria for measuring the better or worse of countries.

Does a nation allow legal slavery (many nations in Africa still allow this)? Can a nation defend its borders, or does it have a history of getting conquered every few decades? Does it have a tradition of elected leaders, or is there a military coup every few years? Are the people free to worship as they please? Travel as they please? Enter the profession of their choice? Do they have 24/7 electrical power (many nations don’t)? Are the courts generally honest or corrupt? Do the people have enough to eat? Or is food stolen by the rulers while the people starve? Is there some sense of paying people in proportion to what they produce? Or is it more a matter of luck? How does the nation generally treat it’s poor or disenfranchised? And on, and on, and on…

Take the best nation you can think of (I’ll say the USA). Then take the worst, circa 2016 (I’ll say North Korea). Are you really telling us that who’s better & worse is all entirely subjective?!? Entirely??
I think we’re rather in the world of argumentative misdirection here - the United States is not the best country in the world because it’s better than North Korea. It isn’t unique in having 24/7 electrical power etc, etc, etc. Neither is it the worst country in the world because the worst US city is not as habitable as the best Swiss city or because its provision for its poor is not as good as that of Sweden.

So, tell me how Detroit is objectively better than Milan (or Turin, where at least they make cars)?
 
I’m sorry, kaninchen, now you’re making no sense.

You argued that, in essence, “it’s all subjective.” I responded, “no, there are many, many objective criteria for judging.” Rather than explain where I’m wrong, now you appear to want to argue over what cities are better or worse than others. Since cities aren’t countries, and since there are uniqueness of nations, and since we’d need to agree to the objective criteria of how we judge cities, i’m afraid we’ll have to agree to disagree.
 
I’m sorry, kaninchen, now you’re making no sense.

You argued that, in essence, “it’s all subjective.” I responded, “no, there are many, many objective criteria for judging.” Rather than explain where I’m wrong, now you appear to want to argue over what cities are better or worse than others. Since cities aren’t countries, and since there are uniqueness of nations, and since we’d need to agree to the objective criteria of how we judge cities, i’m afraid we’ll have to agree to disagree.
Oh, I agree that we very, very definitely have to disagree and leave it at that.
 
To me, in modern times at least, the US seems like a nation that primarily wants its people to work, pay their taxes and buy things, and they will make sure nothing gets in the way of any of these. Use the media to sort of ‘whitewash’ the news headlines, to keep the important stuff out of reach and off our minds.

They expect citizens to just let the Govt take control of everything, and make them think they have their best interest at heart, sort of like, “You just go on working, and spending, let us worry about the complicated stuff, after all, wouldnt it be nice to have that brand new iphone or new 3D television?”.

The US is becoming such a ‘police state’ nowadays, I hate to imagine what it will look like in 20 yrs…will we all have to carry our ‘papers’ when just walking down the street, in case we run into law enforcement and are interrogated, will they be able to search us or our cell phones, to ensure what we are telling them is true, or to ensure we are not up to no good?

I see this increasing every day, at work I continually hear people threatening to call police over the dumbest things, its almost like the DOJ coming out and telling everyone to ‘report it if it looks suspicious’, has gone completely out of control, now people will call police when they see someone sitting in a car somewhere LOL The worst part about this, many of these people so ready to call police, think all this is being done for their benefit, and would have no problem siding with Govt/ authority versus a fellow citizen…WOW is all I can say anymore.
 
Methinks you misplaced your flux capacitor.
I was working my way through the thread when the above came up. I’m still giggling.

But seriously, if you want to talk about countries where it may be ‘best’ to live, it may help if you have lived elewhere in the first instance. In which case you can say: This place is better than that one.

I now live in Australis after having lived in the UK, so I can say, as far as I am concerned, that this place is a better place than that one.

In passing, I have visited America and was really impressed with all the people I met. Would it be a better place to live? Well, if I ever live there for any reasonable amount of time, I’ll get back to you with a personal impression. An impression which might be based on education, colour, money, expectation etc etc.
 
I was working my way through the thread when the above came up. I’m still giggling.

But seriously, if you want to talk about countries where it may be ‘best’ to live, it may help if you have lived elewhere in the first instance. In which case you can say: This place is better than that one.

I now live in Australis after having lived in the UK, so I can say, as far as I am concerned, that this place is a better place than that one.

In passing, I have visited America and was really impressed with all the people I met. Would it be a better place to live? Well, if I ever live there for any reasonable amount of time, I’ll get back to you with a personal impression. An impression which might be based on education, colour, money, expectation etc etc.
As I said before, I **have **lived outside this country, albeit in childhood. While I would like to reside temporarily in some other nations, I wholly agree that those who threaten permanent emigration over an anticipated election disappointment are mostly being silly (or just shooting their mouth off, something we do all the time).

For those Americans who idealize the CSA or think that it could be reinstated with Russian assistance, however, I say that their reality check just bounced.

ICXC NIKA
 
As I said before, I **have **lived outside this country, albeit in childhood. While I would like to reside temporarily in some other nations…
Cuba’s good and very handy for you guys. Great if you like mojitos and cigars and old cars. Get in quick before the prices escalate.
 
Cuba’s good and very handy for you guys. Great if you like mojitos and cigars and old cars. Get in quick before the prices escalate.
I would bet my paycheck these new discussions with opening up Cuba are being pushed by US companies, this is an untapped market for them. I assume since it is so close, they are drooling over the thought of filling Cuba with all the stuff we buy in stores here in the US, everything from fashion clothing, cell phones, computers, cars, materials, electronics, various junk, etc.

Im sure once trade restrictions are abolished, Cuba will see many US franchises coming over, everything from Pizza Hut, Dominoes, Walmart, to new Ford dealerships.
 
There are very significant hurdles with US corporations flooding Cuba.

The first is that it is a tightly controlled communist nation. We didn’t see pizza huts in the USSR either.

The second is that most of the people are dirt poor (because they live in a communist country). Business only goes where people have money.
 
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