Is the use of the cross in this Islamic advertisement offensive to you?

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How can one be passive to falsehoods???

You can be on here for a long time, then continue to say such remarks? It is a matter then of using our forum to make digs at our faith. And that is not showing respect.
 
Sister_Amy said:
Can’t build mosques “anywhere” in America. Manhattan and parts of Tenneessee are apparently off-limits, for starters.

But anyway, didn’t Christians come here specifically so that they could worship the way they wanted, because they couldn’t in other places? It’s nice they let non-Christians come and do the same. I think it’s high-time the rest of the world caught up with America on this point.
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Oh, please…:rolleyes:

Because Manhattan (Guess you are referring to the Mosque Controversy) and Parts of Tennessee will not allow Mosques therefore the REST of the Country does not matter?
Oh. yes, you will say----“I was following the logic of saying “anywhere” in America.” :rolleyes:

Tell me----so victims of 9/11 cannot question the logic of building a Mosque uncomfortably close to Ground Zero?🤷

BTW, the Pilgrims/Puritans came here because they were OPPOSED to other people worshipping how they wanted. They had lived in the Netherlands before America and their children started absorbing the Dutch style of Tolerance towards other Christian Faiths and they had even started intermarrying among other Christian Faiths.
One of the Puritan Big Shots even stated they were the “Opponents of Tolerance.”

These folk wanted to worship their Religion undiluted and without other influences. The “Tolerance” came later.
But that was NOT the “Original Intention.”👍
 
CAF is privately owned I believe, and welcomes people of all faiths, and does not stop anyone from expressing their personal beliefs, nor from expressing those of their religion. Proselytizing is banned, which is a different thing. You can argue that with them if you want, but I believe it suits their purposes, which isn’t to provide a private Catholic only place to chat. (There are forums like that, and it is interesting that often they are not very nice.)

Many people do not believe in the Resurrection of Christ. Muslims, atheists, Jews… Being personally offended is just as silly as a Jew being offended that Christians use Jewish scripture. You can’t talk to people thinking that you are going to change their mind if you talk at them enough. That is not what it means to witness. People believe what they think is true, and their investment in their own religion is as deep as yours. No one wants to be spoken to that way, as if you just wanted to convert them and have no other interest in them… In any case, most people will not convert because you argue them into it, so if you expect that you will be disappointed.
 
KathleenGee said:
How can one be passive to falsehoods???

You can be on here for a long time, then continue to say such remarks? It is a matter then of using our forum to make digs at our faith. And that is not showing respect.
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I tend to agree. Good Show. 👍
 
OrdinaryMelkite said:
So therefore it is acceptable for Muslims to further rewrite this and say Jesus never died but someone else died on the Cross for Him? :confused:

Proof that Jesus did not die on the Cross, please—BESIDES what the Quran says.:rolleyes:

And Christianity changed and fulfilled the law set down by the Jewish people. It was the
“logical” outcome of the Laws set down by Moses and others.
Jesus said “I have come to fulfill the Law.”
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THis may be an unreasonable request since can’t provide any non-religious proof that he did!
 
Perhaps it is fair to say that while America (as a nation) today claims religious tolerance and to judge individuals and not groups, they fall short. I think there are quite a number of Muslim groups who have found there are road-blocks put in the way of their building mosques, and I know Muslim women who have been shouted at and had their tires slashed.

As for the puritans, it seems to me their purposes in America were contradictory - to have the freedom to worship without government involvement even in their daily lives, or to have to deal with other religions. Clearly a hopeless cause in my mind.
 
Bluegoat said:
THis may be an unreasonable request since can’t provide any non-religious proof that he did!
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You’re right-----I was trying to make that point.
I was simply trying to pin down her apparently definitive statement affirming that Jesus did not die on the Cross but had someone else stand in for Him.

Besides the Quran, where else is that statement at? Hadiths, maybe?

Just as there are no “non-religious” proofs that Jesus died, the same goes for the Muslim interpretation. :rolleyes:
 
Truth is the Truth, Carnelian. Thanks.👍

SisterAmy stated that America was started as a haven of “tolerance” for all Religions. Which is simply not true. 😛

Sometimes Good comes only after many Years of Bad. 👍
 
And the point I was making, repeating a poster some time ago when I first picked up her attitude, was that well, after 4,000 posts here, you are still …

After all this time, there should have been some sensitivity and respect.

Catholic Online this past week was referring to dialogue with Muslims difficult.

Rather than discuss points of faith, I wonder if it is better to draw on history…historical facts.

And it would be good to see Muslims enjoying freedom of religious expression to the point of our leaders allowing them more freedom than to other faiths here, if they would share the value of freedom with Muslims overseas…especially Iraq, Lebanon, South Somalia, Iran, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia…that would be a good expenditure of energy and discussion.
 
Thanks for the corrections about the Puritans, guys! 👍

to this statement:
I was simply trying to pin down her apparently definitive statement affirming that Jesus did not die on the Cross but had someone else stand in for Him.
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I don’t think I made any such definitive statement. When I mentioned it, I thought I was clear that I don’t necessarily adhere to that belief; I’m not convinced that it’s the only interpretation of the ayah. And I’m certainly not going to debate or defend that point of view, if that’s what you’re looking for. Sorry. 🙂

And for the record, I do wish that Muslims living overseas, as well as Christians and people of others faiths did have more religious freedom in their own lands, like we do here in the USA.
 
Sister_Amy said:
Catholicism is Jewish?
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Sorry, I just have to respond to this:

Of all the influence on Catholicism (and Christianity in general), Judaism should be the most obvious. Our Lord? Jewish. Our Lady? Jewish. The Twelve Apostles? All Jewish. The first pope? Jewish. The subject of the first Church Council? How Jewish Gentile converts had to become. Even after the Lord’s Ascension, the Apostles went back to Temple (Luke 24:53)!
 
fons_vitae said:
Sorry, I just have to respond to this:

Of all the influence on Catholicism (and Christianity in general), Judaism should be the most obvious. Our Lord? Jewish. Our Lady? Jewish. The Twelve Apostles? All Jewish. The first pope? Jewish. The subject of the first Church Council? How Jewish Gentile converts had to become. Even after the Lord’s Ascension, the Apostles went back to Temple (Luke 24:53)!
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That’s all true, but I think everyone recognizes that Christianity is not just a sect of Judaism.
 
Bluegoat said:
That’s all true, but I think everyone recognizes that Christianity is not just a sect of Judaism.
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I agree. I’m just irritated by claims that Christianity (or Catholicism) is merely deformed or paganism or (worse) anti-Semitic.
 
There might be a repeat of ‘Journey Home’ by EWTN regarding a former Presbyterian minister who is now Catholic…He briefly countered the claims of some that Christianity drew from paganism…

He said that what American Protestant Evangelicals consider early Christian history is not at all what it was conjectured to be. He studied ancient early Christianity through the Church and said the pagans in many ways were repulsed by the Christians…who had great veneration for the saints…

There is this practice of Christians praying for the dead or asking the deceased to pray for them. He said this practice goes back to the Old Testament that the Jews always acknowledged the prayers of the most devout few to carry the weight for the vast majority who do not pray as such.

Catholicism is very clear in the construct of its beliefs, more so than Judaism. The original Christian church was 100% Jewish.
 
Thank you everyone for taking the time to answer my question and and to share your thoughts with me I really appreciate it. This has been a very informative discussion
 
I don’t get offended.

And no one has a right to be offended. If something bothers you, tough, its freedom of speech and as long as no one is hurt, or violence incited, then really, that’s just how it is.

Offence only leads to anger, which can stir up hatred, which is not very Christian. If these people, or anyone, want to use “christian” symbols or jsut be a pack of stirrers with their talks, let them. They’ll answer for it on the other side of life.

Correct them if you can, point out the wrong of what they do if you deisre, but don’t let yourself get all worked up over someone else’s right to free expression, even if it is a bit intellectually repugnant.
 
Being offended or not offended isn’t a “right” to begin with, vera dicere – it is a reaction borne of the individual’s conviction regarding the subject matter. No one has the right to restrict free speech out of their own personal offense, but likewise “free speech” cuts both ways: Islam’s claims are offensively idiotic to me, and when they broach what is sacred in my religion (the Divinity of Christ and His crucifixion and resurrection), I will exercise my right to free speech by saying so. That is my right just as surely it is the right of any Muslim to hold a talk such as the one advertised in the OP, using an advertisement such as the one shown in the OP.
 
dzheremi said:
Being offended or not offended isn’t a “right” to begin with, vera dicere – it is a reaction borne of the individual’s conviction regarding the subject matter. No one has the right to restrict free speech out of their own personal offense, but likewise “free speech” cuts both ways: Islam’s claims are offensively idiotic to me, and when they broach what is sacred in my religion (the Divinity of Christ and His crucifixion and resurrection), I will exercise my right to free speech by saying so. That is my right just as surely it is the right of any Muslim to hold a talk such as the one advertised in the OP, using an advertisement such as the one shown in the OP.
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I agree with you, but the question is whether the use of the cross in the above advertisement put forth by an Islamic group is offensive to Christians. If you feel it is, then I would like to know how. Simply arguing that the ad is published by an Islamic group does not make the ad offensive. What is it about the advertisement in and of itself that should offend us?
 
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