Is the Vatican close to clearing up the issue on the requirements for headcoverings?

[Cat]

I think that with so many other pressing world issues, especially the Muslim situation and the war, abortion in the U.S. and the upcoming elections, and of course, the working towards reunification with the Orthodox Church–I think it would be prideful of women to expect the Vatican to pay attention to an issue like veiling that has already been resolved by the Church. Isn’t pride what women are trying to eliminate by wearing the veil? We would be well-advised, sisters, to support and encourage each other in our choices–BOTH choices, either to cover the head or not cover the head–as our Church has allowed both choices.

 

[agr4028]

I think that with so many other pressing world issues, especially the Muslim situation and the war, abortion in the U.S. and the upcoming elections, and of course, the working towards reunification with the Orthodox Church–I think it would be prideful of women to expect the Vatican to pay attention to an issue like veiling that has already been resolved by the Church. Isn’t pride what women are trying to eliminate by wearing the veil? We would be well-advised, sisters, to support and encourage each other in our choices–BOTH choices, either to cover the head or not cover the head–as our Church has allowed both choices.

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[Marsha_Adams]

I think that with so many other pressing world issues, especially the Muslim situation and the war, abortion in the U.S. and the upcoming elections, and of course, the working towards reunification with the Orthodox Church–I think it would be prideful of women to expect the Vatican to pay attention to an issue like veiling that has already been resolved by the Church. Isn’t pride what women are trying to eliminate by wearing the veil? We would be well-advised, sisters, to support and encourage each other in our choices–BOTH choices, either to cover the head or not cover the head–as our Church has allowed both choices.

Actually, the headcovering issue could be cleared up in about an hour and a half max. Assign three canon lawyers, one pro, one con and one indifferent to research and discuss the matter and provide the Holy Father with a recommendation at the end of the day. Rome issues a statement that says: this is final on the subject women must or women do not have to.

The hard issues can’t be settled so easily, but something like headcoverings that won’t take any effort would be one thing off the Vatican’s plate and would give everyone a sense of accomplishment.

 

[agr4028]

Actually, the headcovering issue could be cleared up in about an hour and a half max. Assign three canon lawyers, one pro, one con and one indifferent to research and discuss the matter and provide the Holy Father with a recommendation at the end of the day. Rome issues a statement that says: this is final on the subject women must or women do not have to.

The hard issues can’t be settled so easily, but something like headcoverings that won’t take any effort would be one thing off the Vatican’s plate and would give everyone a sense of accomplishment.

Who says that headcoverings are even on the Vatican’s plate to begin with?

 

[Sure]

Actually, the headcovering issue could be cleared up in about an hour and a half max. Assign three canon lawyers, one pro, one con and one indifferent to research and discuss the matter and provide the Holy Father with a recommendation at the end of the day. Rome issues a statement that says: this is final on the subject women must or women do not have to.

The hard issues can’t be settled so easily, but something like headcoverings that won’t take any effort would be one thing off the Vatican’s plate and would give everyone a sense of accomplishment.

There is about as much need to clarify the teaching on headcovering as there is to clarify the teaching on abortion. Which is, of course, to say, there is no need. It’s not required. It’s optional.

For those of you who believe headcovering is still required: I’d love to see a response to post #231. Why the obsession with canon 1262 (2) while, at the same time, ignoring canon 1262 (1)???

 

[Carolinagirl411]

Of course the headcovering isn’t required but I think a lot of people on this thread, myself included, who do wear head coverings don’t understand why people get so offended that we do. Well maybe not offended but definitely argumentative. Let me wear my mantilla in peace without lecturing me. I don’t run around church before mass trying to throw kleenex on every female head so just calm down, breathe, and everything will be ok.

 

[agr4028]

Of course the headcovering isn’t required but I think a lot of people on this thread, myself included, who do wear head coverings don’t understand why people get so offended that we do. Well maybe not offended but definitely argumentative. Let me wear my mantilla in peace without lecturing me. I don’t run around church before mass trying to throw kleenex on every female head so just calm down, breathe, and everything will be ok.

Amen. There is a 50-something that attends Life Teen Mass here, who wears a head covering while she holds her hands up in the air during the music…if you ain’t breakin any rules, to each his/her own.

 

[elt1956]

I think that with so many other pressing world issues, especially the Muslim situation and the war, abortion in the U.S. and the upcoming elections, and of course, the working towards reunification with the Orthodox Church–I think it would be prideful of women to expect the Vatican to pay attention to an issue like veiling that has already been resolved by the Church. Isn’t pride what women are trying to eliminate by wearing the veil? We would be well-advised, sisters, to support and encourage each other in our choices–BOTH choices, either to cover the head or not cover the head–as our Church has allowed both choices.

 

[Ghoti]

There is about as much need to clarify the teaching on headcovering as there is to clarify the teaching on abortion. Which is, of course, to say, there is no need. It’s not required. It’s optional.

For those of you who believe headcovering is still required: I’d love to see a response to post #231. Why the obsession with canon 1262 (2) while, at the same time, ignoring canon 1262 (1)???

Hi. I’m late to this forum…

So I just read the Canons you indicated…I was not aware of a canon suggestion a separation of the sexes. I don’t think that was done in my parents’ or grandparents’ day, as they went together as a family. The only separation I know of was that schools (which were single-sex) often went as a group, so the separation was automatic.

However, that Canon does state “It is desirable that…”, and the next uses “should”; I don’t know if that makes a difference, but when I was in the Forces, if something was mandatory, the words “shall” or “must” would be used; “should” always indicated optionality.

If HMC wants things done a certain way, I think she should use unambiguous language. Didn’t the Lord say something to the effect of “it is easier for a Catholic to pass through the eye of a loophole” or some such?

 

[piouswoman]

You are simply making a foolish statement if you are even hinting that she is not dressed in a manner perfectly suited to receive communion and/or that a veil/hat/skirt would make her any more of a Catholic.

I’m stating the truth, not hinting…that woman should have had enough sense to cover her head. Read about veiling before making statements founded on nothing but your own opinion.

 

[Spiller]

I’m stating the truth, not hinting…that woman should have had enough sense to cover her head. Read about veiling before making statements founded on nothing but your own opinion.

Actually you are not stating the truth – you are providing your personal opinion which is HIGHLY inaccurate. It also smacks just a bit of jealousy too as that woman is obviously good looking.

http://www.boston.com/news/globe/city_region/paulson/blog/18Rings-for-Cardinals.jpg

How could she receive Holy Communion while wearing a black pants suit and no head covering! The horror!

The Church does not direct women to cover their heads while receiving Holy Communion – from the Pope or anyone else. She is dressed quite appropriately to receive Holy Communion. No, your personal opinion is not “better.”

 

[Spiller]

Of course the headcovering isn’t required but I think a lot of people on this thread, myself included, who do wear head coverings don’t understand why people get so offended that we do. Well maybe not offended but definitely argumentative. Let me wear my mantilla in peace without lecturing me. I don’t run around church before mass trying to throw kleenex on every female head so just calm down, breathe, and everything will be ok.

We get amused when people suggest it makes “good sense” for women to wear head coverings. That’s rubbish.

I could care less what you stick on your head. But don’t even infer your covered head is better than the uncovered female head next to you, or you will be told that you are wrong.

 

[Spiller]

**Actually, the headcovering issue **could be cleared up in about an hour and a half max. Assign three canon lawyers, one pro, one con and one indifferent to research and discuss the matter and provide the Holy Father with a recommendation at the end of the day. Rome issues a statement that says: this is final on the subject women must or women do not have to.

The hard issues can’t be settled so easily, but something like headcoverings that won’t take any effort would be one thing off the Vatican’s plate and would give everyone a sense of accomplishment.

There is none – at least within the Catholic Church.

 

[beckers]

We get amused when people suggest it makes “good sense” for women to wear head coverings. That’s rubbish.

I could care less what you stick on your head. But don’t even infer your covered head is better than the uncovered female head next to you, or you will be told that you are wrong.

I don’t think she did infer that a covered women is better than an uncovered women. She simple asked that she be allowed to wear one in peace without being letured on why its not a requirement. I think a lot of us do things that are not required by the church (such as pray the rosary or novena or wear medals etc) so why is that this one item (headcovering) cause such hatred and angry to be spewed towards fellow catholics?

A headcovering is not a magically piece of cloth that when you wear it that it makes you this holy and pious women. AND I would never ever believe that i am some how a better or a more holy catholic women then the next women in the pew just because i wear a headcovering.

A head covering is something that helps me focus in mass and work on being submissive and obietent within my heart. Its a tool but not the only thing that has helped me on my spiritually journey. I do not need everyone to agree with me nor am i going to run around passing veils out to people. I’ve got tons of other things in my own life to be dealing with then worring about other women wearing head coverings or not.I felt a calling from the holy spirit to wear one and when i wear it feels right so i am going to leave it to the Spirit to work on others. I would simple ask that my fellow sisters in Christ would be supportive of me in my spritual journey even if they didn’t exactly agree or understand the “why”.

 

[Carolinagirl411]

We get amused when people suggest it makes “good sense” for women to wear head coverings. That’s rubbish.

I could care less what you stick on your head. But don’t even infer your covered head is better than the uncovered female head next to you, or you will be told that you are wrong.

Why so sarcastic? WHY so hostile? I never said I was better than anyone in ANY of my posts nor do I believe that to be. Everyone has there own personal devotions they prefer. This is a devotion that I personally prefer. No need to jump down my throat friend. Calm yourself

PS: Thank You Beckers for your previous comment! I appreciated it

 

[Spiller]

Why so sarcastic? WHY so hostile? I never said I was better than anyone in ANY of my posts nor do I believe that to be. Everyone has there own personal devotions they prefer. This is a devotion that I personally prefer. No need to jump down my throat friend. Calm yourself

PS: Thank You Beckers for your previous comment! I appreciated it

Because I have not seen a single person here (or CERTAINLY in real life) comment negatively about anyone woman who chooses to wear a head covering during Mass.

What I have seen are a lot of people grumbling that all women should cover their heads at Mass and that it’s intrinsically “better” than not covering one’s head. That’s simply not supported by what the Church instructs.

 

[Spiller]

I don’t think she did infer that a covered women is better than an uncovered women. She simple asked that she be allowed to wear one in peace without being letured on why its not a requirement. I think a lot of us do things that are not required by the church (such as pray the rosary or novena or wear medals etc) so why is that this one item (headcovering) cause such hatred and angry to be spewed towards fellow catholics?

You are wrong. Re-read this thread and others. We read on and on about how women MUST cover their heads at Mass or at the very least all women SHOULD cover their heads. IN RESPONSE people have said it’s no longer instructed by the Church and they are right. The truth is, there is no “issue” with this – by all means cover if you want, but it’s no better than not covering in the eyes of the Church.

A headcovering is not a magically piece of cloth that when you wear it that it makes you this holy and pious women. AND I would never ever believe that i am some how a better or a more holy catholic women then the next women in the pew just because i wear a headcovering.

And? I will say this much. I have seen more than one woman put on a veil just outside of church in a superwoman sort of way. They then got visibly puffed-up – almost as if they were looking for a fight. I found it amusing each time but in their cases they were certainly wearing their veils as something other than a tool to help them focus.

A head covering is something that helps me focus in mass and work on being submissive and obietent within my heart. Its a tool but not the only thing that has helped me on my spiritually journey. I do not need everyone to agree with me nor am i going to run around passing veils out to people. I’ve got tons of other things in my own life to be dealing with then worring about other women wearing head coverings or not.I felt a calling from the holy spirit to wear one and when i wear it feels right so i am going to leave it to the Spirit to work on others. I would simple ask that my fellow sisters in Christ would be supportive of me in my spritual journey even if they didn’t exactly agree or understand the “why”.

Just don’t try to suggest that it’s “good” based on what the Church instructs to cover your head.
Has anyone ever told you to take off your veil? I cannot imagine that happening. I HAVE seen women try to push “spare” veils onto other women though…

 

[Spiller]

Everyone should just (re)read posting #227 and be done with this thread.

 

[beckers]

Everyone should just (re)read posting #227 and be done with this thread.

Your right i am done with this thread. i am done with because i am sick and tried of having to defend something that i feel i have been called to do to help me in my faith life. i am sick and tired of hearing people say that by wearing one i some how being judgemental towards others or pushing an agenda. You have no idea how it is to wear one and since you refuse to look past what your ideas and assumations are about head covering wearers then i am going to stop communicating it.

This reminds me why i stay out of these threads and helps remind me why non-catholics get the opinion that catholics are so judgemental. We are all trying to acheieve the same goal but we constantly beat each other up instead of lifting each other up.

May the peace of Christ be with you.
Beckers

 

[Spiller]

Your right i am done with this thread. i am done with because i am sick and tried of having to defend something that i feel i have been called to do to help me in my faith life. i am sick and tired of hearing people say that by wearing one i some how being judgemental towards others or pushing an agenda. You have no idea how it is to wear one and since you refuse to look past what your ideas and assumations are about head covering wearers then i am going to stop communicating it.

This reminds me why i stay out of these threads and helps remind me why non-catholics get the opinion that catholics are so judgemental. We are all trying to acheieve the same goal but we constantly beat each other up instead of lifting each other up.

May the peace of Christ be with you.
Beckers

I am sick and tired of people suggesting that women must cover their heads or at the very least that it’s preferable by the Church.

The Church makes no such preference…