Is there divorce in the Bible?

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I was watching television a while ago and a famous actress here who is on her second marriage said something like, “Since divorce is in the Bible, God allows for second chances.”

I know that our Church does not allow for divorce.

Is there really a passage in the Bible that says its ok to divorce?
 
Thought so too.

I was just wondering why the actress was so definite in her words.

Anyway, many thanks, thistle, for your fast reply. The site you referred was very helpful. 🙂
 
Hi Ma,

Divorce was allowed by Moses because, as Jesus said, of “the hardness of their heart”. But Jesus re-instated the indissolubility of marriage as it was “from the beginning”.

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Ma.Eugenia said:
I was watching television a while ago and a famous actress here who is on her second marriage said something like, “Since divorce is in the Bible, God allows for second chances.”

I know that our Church does not allow for divorce.

Is there really a passage in the Bible that says its ok to divorce?
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Yes, there is a passage that says you may divorce your spouse if you find that your Marriage was invalid, because of close family ties. Most Protestants however misinterpret this passage to mean that divorce is allowed for adultery or just about any reason for that matter.
 
Although Divorce is found in the old testament you will never see remariage in the bible unless you are talking about a widow.

The Church does not allow divorce per say, but in some situations the Church will in fact agree that a civil divorce is the best course because of kids maybe so that in a civil court the two parents and kids will have some rights and responsibilities but if there was no annulement given then one cannot remarry within the Church.

For your friends comments of 2nd chances, well that sounds good, but when two christians marry they are making a vow or a promise to love each other for better or for worse, so the Church does not see how one could end such an arrangement unless it was not valid in the 1st place.

Many around us are divorced, and I believe they will have an opportunity to be forgiven but they are in fact playing with fire.

I am glad we have a Church that will stick to the truth and facts vs going on what makes us feel good.

Didnt the Serpent try to make adam and eve feel good, the same for any anti christ they or he will makes us feels good, but show me in history where this has worked in our advantage.
 
Divorce under the law of Moses did exist.

Marriage was contracted via a marriage contract (a ketubah) and could be dissolved with a divorce decree (called a “get”). Only a man could divorce his wife, a wife could not divorce her husband. A “get” could be issued for any reason (or no reason at all) and the husband would be permitted to remarry.

Enter Jesus and this all changes.

One really good reason for that is men could divorce their wives for, let’s say, failing to bear children. Now divorced, there exists no provision for alimony or anything like that, you have a divorced woman out on her own. You see how the concept of divorce back then was not as (relatively) painless as “you keep your car, I keep mine, we sell the house and split the cash”

Coupled with the fact that Jesus unites a man and woman together for life, not for a little while, and there is much more argument against Divorce than there is “for” it.
 
Hi everyone!

Thank you for further explaining/clarifying this topic on divorce.

I now understand better the reason why the Church does not allow it.

God bless!

🙂
 
I should further clarify, however, that the concept of divorce is not scriptural but Talmudic.

You see, the Jewish people subscribe to two different laws, the Written Law (Torah) and the Oral Law (Talmud). The Talmud is, essentially, a compilation of apologetics and other writings by Rabbis. So divorce has Rabbinical roots, in that at one point Rabbis said it was OK to do. The scripture, however, did not say this.

Couple that information with Jesus declaring that marriage is for life, and we have our present view on divorce.
 
Originally Posted by TimOliv
…the concept of divorce is not scriptural but Talmudic…
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This is interesteting.

Originally Posted by TimOliv
You see, the Jewish people subscribe to two different laws, the Written Law (Torah) and the Oral Law (Talmud)…
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Thank you for expalining to me how divorce came to be accepted at the time of Moses.

Nice to learn about the difference of Torah and Talmud. I learn something new everyday. 🙂

I suppose, that was the system (allowing for divorce) that was in place at the time of Jesus. So that was in the Old Testament (OT).

Its funny that the actress was talking about OT traditions on divorce,
Originally Posted by Ma. Eugenia
“Since divorce is in the Bible, God allows for second chances.”
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…when Jesus already changed that rule in the New Testament.
 
Ma.Eugenia said:
Originally Posted by TimOliv

This is interesteting.

Originally Posted by TimOliv

Thank you for expalining to me how divorce came to be accepted at the time of Moses.

Nice to learn about the difference of Torah and Talmud. I learn something new everyday. 🙂

I suppose, that was the system (allowing for divorce) that was in place at the time of Jesus. So that was in the Old Testament (OT).

Its funny that the actress was talking about OT traditions on divorce,
Originally Posted by Ma. Eugenia

…when Jesus already changed that rule in the New Testament.
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Regarding the issue of marriage which many non-catholics like to bring up as being allowed in the bible (old testament) during Jesus time, etc…They are selectively reading…They are failing to acknowledge the teachings of Christ due to selective reasoning or reading in many cases.

Kind of like stoning certain people…It was allowed under the old law, it’s in the bible and was obviously happening during Jesus time until he set forth his challenges and teachings regarding this…
 
Ma.Eugenia said:
I was watching television a while ago and a famous actress here who is on her second marriage said something like, “Since divorce is in the Bible, God allows for second chances.”

I know that our Church does not allow for divorce.

Is there really a passage in the Bible that says its ok to divorce?
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Yes, Deut 24:1. A man takes a wife and possess her. She fails to please him because he finds something obnoxious about her, and he writes her a bill of divorcement…"
 
TimOliv said:
I should further clarify, however, that the concept of divorce is not scriptural but Talmudic.

You see, the Jewish people subscribe to two different laws, the Written Law (Torah) and the Oral Law (Talmud). The Talmud is, essentially, a compilation of apologetics and other writings by Rabbis. So divorce has Rabbinical roots, in that at one point Rabbis said it was OK to do. The scripture, however, did not say this.

Couple that information with Jesus declaring that marriage is for life, and we have our present view on divorce.
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Actually the scripture did. See my post above.
 
Valke2 said:
Yes, Deut 24:1. A man takes a wife and possess her. She fails to please him because he finds something obnoxious about her, and he writes her a bill of divorcement…"
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The book of Deuteronomy is the speech by Moses to the Israelites; God is not personally making commands like he did in Exodus. In Exodus Chapter 32, we have the golden calf incident; God is angered, and takes away the priesthood from the families and gives it to the Levites. This is where the book of Leviticus comes into play, the first part teaching the Levites how to be priests, and the second part teaching them how to deal with the “laypeople”. These laws are not to be permanent, but are to restore, or Heal God’s people back to their priesthood.
Then in Numbers Chapter 25 we have the sin of Baal of Peor, and God is angered again against his people, God wants to smite out his people, but Moses intervenes and gives the book of Deuteronomy. This made the laws which were made in Sinai after the golden calf and the laws of Leviticus are made permanent until Jesus came to restore the Jews with Grace.

Therefore Jesus says that it was because of the hardness of their hearts that Moses allowed Divorce. Notice he doesn’t say that God commanded it.

So even though Divorce is allowed, it was not to be a permanent allowance.
And Jesus again disallows Divorce and remarriage, back to what God originally commanded in the beginning.
 
runandsew said:
The book of Deuteronomy is the speech by Moses to the Israelites; God is not personally making commands like he did in Exodus.
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The question was, is there scriptual support for divorce. The answer is yes. If you want to believe that Deuteronomy is less authorative than Exodus, that is your choice.

However, the opening paragraph of D’Varim states taht "It was in the fortieth year, on the first day of the eleventh month, that Moses addressed the Israelites in accordance with the instructions that the Lord had given him for them…
 
Valke2 said:
The question was, is there scriptual support for divorce. The answer is yes. If you want to believe that Deuteronomy is less authorative than Exodus, that is your choice.

However, the opening paragraph of D’Varim states taht "It was in the fortieth year, on the first day of the eleventh month, that Moses addressed the Israelites in accordance with the instructions that the Lord had given him for them…
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Scriptural support, there is none. There is MOSAIC support for Divorce, references to which appear in Deuteronomy. This does not amount to scriptural support.
 
Other scriptual support:

Leviticus 21:7 (in discussing the priests)
They shall not marry a woman defiled by harlotry, nor shall they marry one divorced from her husband.

21:14 A widow, or a divorced woman, or one who is degraded by harlotry — such he [priest] may not marry.

Numbers 30:10 The vow of a widow or of a divorced woman, however, whatebver she has imposed on herself, shall be binding upon her.

Eziekel 44:22: Neither shall they take for their wives a widow, nor her that is put away [divorced]…
 
TimOliv said:
Scriptural support, there is none. There is MOSAIC support for Divorce, references to which appear in Deuteronomy. This does not amount to scriptural support.
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Tim. You may not want to believe it, but the book of Deu. IS scripture. As is the Numbers and Eziekel.
 
Valke2 said:
Tim. You may not want to believe it, but the book of Deu. IS scripture. As is the Numbers and Eziekel.
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Maybe he meant that this civil law is specifically abrogated by Jesus, therefore there is no Scriptural support for divorce when taken as a (Christian) whole.

Does the Old Testament ever allow a divorced person to remarry? I didn’t see this explicitly at all in the passages you mentioned.
 
Valke2 said:
The question was, is there scriptual support for divorce. The answer is yes. If you want to believe that Deuteronomy is less authorative than Exodus, that is your choice.

However, the opening paragraph of D’Varim states taht "It was in the fortieth year, on the first day of the eleventh month, that Moses addressed the Israelites in accordance with the instructions that the Lord had given him for them…
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Didn’t Moses allow divorce so a man wouldn’t kill his wife so he could marry that young hot babe next door. (till death do us part)
Allowing a lesser evil to prevent a greater evil?
I was not saying Deuternomy is less authoritive than Exodus, I was trying to explain how it came to be written.
By the way are we allowed to put on a garment woven with two different kinds of thread, which was forbidden in Levitcus 19:19, or is that still binding? Is that as authoritive as the ten commandments?
 
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