Is this a common problem? Being Accused of Being Brainwashed and in a Trump Cult

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Just a lot of irrational views and behaviors
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I’ve not heard that list before… what is it they say? “Only in America!”
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Yeap. That’s what you get when a significant % of the country looks to Hollywood for their moral, social, and political values.
 
phil19034 said:
It can be argued that they actually helped Trump win the Republican Primary.
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That’s what I think, too.


I think that event was really the straw that broke the camel’s back.

But he didnt just offend Trump. He offended a whole lot of people taking one dig after another while ignoring significant parts of his constituency - because basically he was representing everyone as President, including Trump.

And, yet, they were so afraid of Trump, they knew it was a legitimate threat and potential disaster for them when he said he would run.

But, basically, Obama had primed the field for him to run. Trump was justified in being angry, and many already familiar people understood why he would be so angry, too.

At that point - a fed up public saw Trump’s anger as trustworthy and justified, even if it was irrational.

On Trump’s end, he knew the Dems were in damage control mode, so all he had to do was run on the most outrageous motive he could dream up.

That doesn’t make it right, but neither side is letting up either…
 
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Like him or not Bill Clinton was a gifted speaker, but Hillary could never rival her husband’s eloquence.

Then the “deplorables” comment became a proud counter emblem against her.
 
Sadly yes, I think it’s quite common these days. I literally had someone revoke a marriage proposal over politics. Ce la vie. Another male friend who clearly had hopes of heading the same way has compete quit speaking to me because 1. I don’t have a burning desire to spit in Trump’s face and 2 I don’t think Greta Thunberg is the messiah. Again, ce a vie.

I don’t mean to be flippant. I find it quite sad that they’re both willing to completely shut off not only friendship but a hoped for marriage because I don’t agree with them on hating Trump
 
Tis_Bearself said:
It is something else again to have an emotional meltdown where you scream at other people, call them names, lay awake at night worrying that the USA will collapse etc because a candidate you don’t like won the Presidency. He’s been sitting in the White House now for 3 years and not much has changed for anybody.
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I have a coworker who has legit anxiety and panic attacks at work when they see a news article that mentions something that Trump is doing that day. They’ve admitted to me that they’ve laid awake at night terrified that when the sun rises the country is going to collapse because of a single Tweet that Trump has put out or because of a rumor of something that he might do. They’ve gone on full blown rants in the office and there’s absolutely nothing you can say to them to calm them down, you just have to eventually talk them into going home for the day. I never talk politics at work (or in public much in general) but I sometimes don’t even know what triggers it. I can be talking about a video game I’ve played where I’m building a house for a character and suddenly Trump and wanting to deport anyone without white skin and blue eyes shows up in the conversation.
 
Poet said:
I find it quite sad that they’re both willing to completely shut off not only friendship but a hoped for marriage because I don’t agree with them on hating Trump
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Might be fruitful to understand at a more basic level where your differences lay, and why they came to light so late in the piece. I doubt it all about the person of D Trump.
 
Rau said:
Might be fruitful to understand at a more basic level where your differences lay, and why they came to light so late in the piece. I doubt it all about the person of D Trump.
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Can you clarify what you’re asking or suggesting? Both of them had known me for several years. I never lied about my opinions. In fact, I wear a crucifix necklace at all times that is clearly visible to anyone. In one case, I told him upfront from the very first moment when he made it clear politics mattered, that I did not share his politics. I was very direct with him that I didn’t share his politics. He wanted to keep seeing me nonetheless.

Having been there … maybe it didn’t come down to Trump per se, but it absolutely came down to politics and for better or worse, President Trump is a lightning rod and for whatever reason there IS heightened vitriol and animosity around his name.

In the case of the revoked marriage proposal, it started with ‘potential future husband’ on a long rant about Donald Trump and me saying, “Is it possible there’s another way of seeing this?”

So is it about Donald Trump per se or politics in general? I’d say a bit of both. I’d say the world is becoming brutally polarized and he’s a symbol and lightning rod of that factionalization. I have moved from seeing ‘Trump Derangement Syndrome’ as a funny ‘meme’ to being very, very true. Those who hate Trump are literally left unable to process anything else, by the sheer depth of their hatred.
 
I encounter similar crazy claims regularly, particularly from liberal relatives. Several screamed at me that I needed to “wake up” because Trump’s “first order of business” would be to put LGBTQ people in internment camps if he were elected last time. I get called a misogynist (I’m a woman), racist, a plutocrat, facist and more by my own family regularly.

They will not listen to reason and will not consider the absurdity of their wild claims. I have decided the solution is to vote a straight Republican ticket, strengthen my faith and let time pass. I fully anticipate they will reach a breaking point and realize they are the brainwashed ones at some point.

If not, I will continue to distance myself from the abuse.
 
I’m old and retired, too, and have a long time to look back on. I don’t remember seeing this kind of mindless 27/7/365 hate in our country. Like many others, we have an acquaintance who, as soon as we see him, starts in on the hate Trump talk. He eats it, sleeps it, breathes it, and lives it. Really, I don’t know where he gets the energy to hate so ferociously and constantly. And when I think how he’s just one of millions, it scares me.
 
RoseScented said:
They’ve admitted to me that they’ve laid awake at night terrified that when the sun rises the country is going to collapse because of a single Tweet that Trump has put out or because of a rumor of something that he might do.
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Oh dear!

If that is the extent of their problems they’re lucky.

A lot more of us are worried about jobs, health issues and putting food on the table.

Bigger problems than worrying about what Trump might do.
 
Shasta-Rose said:
I don’t remember seeing this kind of mindless 27/7/365 hate in our country.
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I think it got started even before Trump, like during Obama’s last term when the media started pushing us to automatically hate on the police every time they used force. I am well aware that sometimes police use force when it is not necessary and that there are poorly trained, unqualified and even malicious cops out there, however, not every use of force by police is unwarranted and in some cases it’s necessary for their own safety or the safety of the public. Yet, for several years we had a police brutality story almost daily and everyone up in arms about it. That’s also about the time I stopped watching the news, because the news had become more about provoking a reaction from the public than clear and relatively unbiased reporting of what was actually going on.

When Trump was elected stuff just got worse. One of my friends has been comparing this for years (including pre-Trump) to the “two minute hate” from 1984. I think that makes a lot of sense.
 
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What I do not understand is the love Donald Trump supporters have for him. I don’t get it.
As a person born and raised in the south, Trump epitomizes everything I dislike about northerners. He is loud, abrasive, and seems to think he knows it all.
He ran as a non-politician, yet he seems to be more of a politician than anyone in Washington, D.C.
With the except of abortion, Trump seems to represent the opposite of everything I am for.
Do I hate Trump? No. I actually pray for him. I also pray that our country survives his presidency.
 
JoeShlabotnik said:
As a person born and raised in the south, Trump epitomizes everything I dislike about northerners. He is loud, abrasive, and seems to think he knows it all.
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As an Ohio Yankee from Western Reserve, Trump is a typical New York businessman who worked his way up. You meet dozens of those in every urban area. Many of them are second- or third-generation immigrants. The personality they have is how they managed to get where they are. They tend to say what’s on their minds, and that may be one reason why a lot of people are comfortable with Trump. He isn’t slick.
 
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Actually, to me Trump sounds top me like a lot of businessmen from New York, very slick. Like I said…loud and abrasive, and confident that they know it all.
From what I have read about his life, it was Trump’s father who actually worked his way up. Trump inherited most everything from his father. Donald Trump may sound like his dad, but he is actually a person who has been given most everything that he has.
 
Ohio Yankees and New York Yankees are not the same.
The folks from Ohio who I know are down to earth and to the point, but not loud and abrasive like many New Yorkers.
 
The unprogressive right has been making excuses for Donald Trump since he took office. He is misunderstood, he is disliked by the press, he did not mean to say that. etc. etc.
Over three years later, nothing has changed. If anything, he is nastier now that he was when he was running for office in 2016.
 
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