Is this a common problem? Being Accused of Being Brainwashed and in a Trump Cult

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His dad was relatively small time compared to the success of the children. I guess I am thinking it’s not really like the Kennedy clan, where Joe Kennedy pretty much did all the work and the kids just coasted on that.

I do think Trump was very influenced by his dad though. Trump seems to have tried very hard to be “the good son” who would be a success and make up for the failings of the older brother who was an alcoholic and did nothing with his life.
 
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JoeShlabotnik said:
Ohio Yankees and New York Yankees are not the same.
The folks from Ohio who I know are down to earth and to the point, but not loud and abrasive like many New Yorkers.
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You missed the Western Reserve part. NE OH is not like the rest of Ohio. Removed the part about Kasich because he’s actually from Pittsburgh area but it’s the same vibe. The city was also just as mobbed up as New York, at least up until the 80s (IDK what it’s like now).

(“Ohio Yankee from Western Reserve” is a line from an old historic folk song about an election in the 1800s.)
 
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JoeShlabotnik said:
What I do not understand is the love Donald Trump supporters have for him. I don’t get it.
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For his sake, we love (agape) him.

We know there is no such thing as a perfect president. So, for our sake, as President he is our instrument to our ends. He’s doing or at least trying to do just that.
President Donald Trump has also proclaimed this day to be National Sanctity of Human Life Day, 2020:
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https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/proclamation-national-sanctity-human-life-day-2020/

And …
November 20, 2019
Catholic News Agency

SAN FRANCISCO – A third federal judge has struck down the Trump administration’s conscience protection rule for medical professionals who object to abortions because of their religious beliefs …
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In 2011, HHS issued a rule which “provided inadequate enforcement of conscience rights,” according to the Trump administration. That rule was based on three laws. The 2019 rule was based on more than two dozen statutory provisions that protect conscience rights.

“This rule ensures that healthcare entities and professionals won’t be bullied out of the health care field because they decline to participate in actions that violate their conscience, including the taking of human life,” said Office of Civil Rights Director Roger Severino. “Protecting conscience and religious freedom not only fosters greater diversity in health care, it’s the law.”

California filed suit against the Trump administration three weeks after the rule was announced in May. In a statement announcing the suit, California’s Attorney General Xavier Becerra said that the conscience rule was dangerous to American lives and that “a war is being waged on access to health care across our country.”

After Tuesday’s decision, Becerra referred to the conscience protection rule as President Trump’s “heartless, unlawful attempt to restrict the healthcare rights of women, LGBTQ individuals, and countless others.”
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So who really are the “heartless” ones?
 
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Beryllos said:
Politics and religion: a strange pairing. One from the devil and one from God.
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?? Political life is part of every human society, the Church has moral teachings on politics (which boil down to “don’t let partisan loyalty become more important than your loyalty to Christ, however, render to Caesar when it is not immoral”

9 times on this thread so far, those who chose to criticize Mr. Trump have been referred to as “deranged”.

I’d remind each of us of the USCCB’s effort to #CivilizeIt Civilize It :: We Are Salt and Light

"our national and local conversations are filled with anger and harsh language, often directed at people themselves. As Catholics, we must model a better way. "
 
But Joe, it’s not the man! It’s his ideas and drive to implement them. Sadly, the (D) side has become so incredibly radicalized that the (D) in virginia is forwarding a law which crimializes certain types of criticism of government. Think about that. And one of Bernie’s staffers is speaking of “re-training” camps so that center-right malcontents may be taught the proper way of thinking.

Joe, I don’t know about you, but these ideas are totalitarian, repressive and (should be) utterly reprehensiible to anyone who dares to allow disagreement.

Should you be sent to a neo-Gulag because you disagree with me? Should I be? What on earth (or beneath it) has happened to the (D) party?

For that matter, the ( R ) is just as incompetent as it has ever been.

As we lose faith, we are becoming a very sick nation.
 
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Sorry, friend, but I must disagree. It is Trump’s party, what used to be called the Republican Party, that has this country headed in a bad direction.
All for the rich, big tax cuts. Driving up the national debt.
 
I first heard that in the 60s. It was labor union propaganda. Nothing has changed, has it?
I would love to hear the positive, Christian direction in which the (D) party is leading us!
 
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Becerra referred to the conscience protection rule as President Trump’s “heartless, unlawful attempt to restrict the healthcare rights of women, LGBTQ individuals, and countless others.”
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Always astounds me that abortion is called “healthcare”.
 
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Trump’s party, what used to be called the Republican Party, that has this country headed in a bad direction.
All for the rich, big tax cuts. Driving up the national debt.
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Tax cuts and debt are nothing new. I remember the good old days, like 1980, when the US debt was under a trillion. Reagan pushed some major tax cuts and ran up the debt. But he had a certain dignity and eloquence, unlike today’s politicians.
 
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gracepoole said:
Sounds like your friend is paying attention. Good for him.
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Yes, but listening to what?

Based upon what I stated in my first post I told him I didn’t like Trump. But to say my interest in Catholic Mysticism (which has nothing to do with Trump at all) is the result of being lead into some kind Catholic cult through Trump’s gaslighting and brainwashing is simply not true.

My friend and I are both cradle Catholics. We both went through Catholic high school together. And we are best friends, and we are not enemies.

He’s aware I have asperger’s, and he knows I have always been active in the church, but he’s probably not so much aware of the healing masses I started attending back in the later W-era. These were not politically motivated at all. I’ve been trying to find peace through faith since 2003, and I’ve made progress through various forms of worship and praise - and a lot of hard work which he doesn’t know or inquire about, and which I don’t impose upon him… I simply have found respite in going to church a devoutly as possible… long before W-slacked off, or Obama and Trump became pronounced…

As best I can remember, I made a generic statement about prayer, and no mention of Trump at all… The next thing I know I’m being told I’m being gaslighted and lead into a cult where Trump is setting himself up as a messiah… and he even showed me (err, made me) the podcast where he got the ideas from to prove it… he asked my opinion, and I told him I didn’t buy any of it (for the reasons I mentioned above), but its like he couldn’t get any of it…

Forgetting about Trump, it doesn’t surprise me he wouldn’t get it… Understanding Catholic mysticism is beyond man’s comprehension - which is why it is called “mysticism”… I don’t even understand it, although I love and believe in the words of scripture, praying with the Saint and Angels to the glory of God, and simply putting forth the effort to go to church and observe the sacraments… But I dont think he even takes his family to church very often - maybe he does, I don’t know, but he never makes a point of it, if he does… He just set some odd psychological podcast as his point of reference…

Given all that… does it still seem like he was really paying attention?

I didn’t even want to talk about any of it… If I had had my choice, we’d have talked about Jesus, not Trump… I see them very clearly as two very distinct people… Jesus is the Creator, Trump the created - they are not the other way around, which is what my friend was telling me he thought I was thinking…
 
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Please keep the conversation on topic.

This post pertains to the potential commonality of the problem described in my OP.
It is NOT intended to be an exploratory discussion of related topics.

I just had to flag one person three times for going off topic.
The same person was flagged yesterday for making off topic jokes.

If anyone wishes to explore related thought on politics, please open another post. In the meantime, I’d appreciate it if we stay on topic here, as I do not want this post to get locked due to people hijacking the subject matter by leading it into an off topic war of words.

Thank you to those who have participated and shared their opinions peaceably. I very much appreciate sincere points of view from either side.

Pax et Bonum.
 
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If you listen to (D) politicians, eventually they almost all want to criminalize certain types of speech–and usually what they want to criminalize is what everybody but them is saying. “I can’t stand when somebody has legitimate reasons to disagree with me, so let’s send them to concentration camps and be done with them forever.”
 
Indeed. It is their boldness and the quickness with which they have made their intentions clear that may work against them.

American gulags. Unbelievable.
 
Dear Participants,

I thank you all for participating thus far, but am requesting the thread be deleted for the following reason:

Inappropriate moderation on CAF’s part. After repeatedly asking participants to respect each other and stay on-topic during this thread ssome members started attacking other members and/or going off-topic. I flagged this person for inappropriately doing as such. A CAF Moderator responded by changing my wording in the title to a harsher tone, which runs contrary to the tone of my original intention, the title of which was not intended to include everything they embellished after the question mark.

This editorial embellishment is too politically inflammatory, and it does not honestly direct the reader’s attention to the heart of the post, which was actually seeking an apologetic defense of Catholic Mysticism regardless of political affiliation.

The post has thus been hijacked by the site itself. So, fwiw, even though my own handle is associated with the OP, it is not an accurate reflection of my intention. I cannot and will not be held accountable for abuses to this thread at this point, and I’d rather it be deleted altogether now. I am sorry I brought it up, although I had hoped CAF would have respected what responses have shown to be a legitimate concern.

I’ll pray for everyone, but I tend to think I should probably just delete my entire account at this point.
 
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Shasta-Rose said:
Like many others, we have an acquaintance who, as soon as we see him, starts in on the hate Trump talk. He eats it, sleeps it, breathes it, and lives it. Really, I don’t know where he gets the energy to hate so ferociously and constantly. And when I think how he’s just one of millions, it scares me.
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Oh my gosh yes!!! I knew someone like that in one of my social circles. I knew him for three years and I knew exactly one thing about him: he really really really HATED Trump. He never spoke of anything else in all that time.

Only on his death and reading his obituary, did I find he had all sorts of interests, talents, and accomplishments and in fact, many things in common with me. He could have had so many positive things to talk about.

It’s terrible that someone wastes the last years of their life in hatred so intense that it literally blots out every other thing they’ve done with that life, erases it all, to those just meeting them.

He hated Trump and he was proud of that and that’s ALL anyone knew about him, in the end.
 
OP, as you had stated that you didn’t like Trump, and he still went in on this tirade against you and the church, I would just assume that his rabid hatred and obsession with it has caused some sort of mental problem in him and at this point he associates trump with anything and everything, no matter how irrational. Hopefully he is able to snap out of it eventually. The hatred for DJT from the left is real, I’ve never seen anything like it. I haven’t heard of this cult-messiah thing before but I’ve heard all kinds of other crazy conspiracy theories.
 
Wm777 said:
As a moderate
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Everyone thinks they’re a “moderate”. I would venture a guess that folks who discuss politics online are not “moderate”. I’ll tell you who I view as “moderates”. They’re the ones that never or rarely discuss politics online and are more interested in who’s on Dancing with the Stars than they are in politics.
 
Folks, there are some Catholics who actually do believe “Trump is a messiah.” I literally saw this quoted on a Catholic FB prayer group I’m on. I was shocked! And corrected the person for posting such misguided nonsense. So, brainwashing can happen in any mind, no matter political affiliation.
 
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