Is this teaching on hell OK or is it heresy?

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Well, the saints who’ve had visions of Hell have said that Hell is full of people who didn’t believe in Hell… Your belief or disbelief has no impact on the actual existence of Hell. Either it exists or it doesn’t.
 
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Very true, and that was implied in the way I worded my response. That said, I’d much rather be wrong from my position than wrong from yours.
 
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Very true, and that was implied in the way I worded my response. That said, I’d much rather be wrong from my position than wrong from yours.
Everyone has a different perspective. I used to see that side. Now I’d rather live my life without the influence of ancient taboos and scare tactics.
 
It’s not a scare tactic if it’s real. The recognition of reality for what it is, while it may be scary, is the only rational way to live your life.

If God is real, and Hell is real, then we should live according to that reality, and trying to pretend otherwise or refusing to teach on it because other people disagree or are uncomfortable about it, is a disservice to everyone.

What you call a scare tactic, I call reality.

As for those “ancient taboos,” they shaped Western civilization created the world we know today. Now that we’ve abandoned them culturally, we’re rapidly descending back into the pre-Christian reality.
 
This is, simple and straight forward, heresy. Or, I guess it would be better to say that it directly opposes Catholic Doctrine. It’s not heresy until he’s been made aware of that contradiction and continues in it despite.
Having established that this is wrong what steps should be taken?
 
“Universal restoration” is a false teaching. Though the Church may never have infallibly named a specific person as being in Hell, yet there is Hell and some people go there.
 
It’s not a scare tactic if it’s real. The recognition of reality for what it is, while it may be scary, is the only rational way to live your life.

If God is real, and Hell is real, then we should live according to that reality, and trying to pretend otherwise or refusing to teach on it because other people disagree or are uncomfortable about it, is a disservice to everyone.

What you call a scare tactic, I call reality.

As for those “ancient taboos,” they shaped Western civilization created the world we know today. Now that we’ve abandoned them culturally, we’re rapidly descending back into the pre-Christian reality.
I believe if there is a God, it would be disappointed in humanity for its self-idolization, need for mind-control, gullibility, and egocentric nature. Of course, if it created them, it shouldn’t be surprised…
 
Dissappointed or not, if He loves us and is willing to forgive us then it doesn’t matter so much.

As for “Mind control, gullibility, and egocentriccism,” I assume that’s all pointed at the faith and the way people think it controls them…

Seriously, what is it with non-Christians and treating any limitations like we’re trying to be controlling?

Are you controlling when you tell your kid not to stick his hand in the fire? Are you controlling when you say they can’t eat a whole tub of ice cream for dinner?

If God is real, and there are consequence for our actions, then it is not controlling to let people know what those consequences are, it is the only reasonable thing you can do. It is not controlling, it is loving.
 
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Well, honestly I’d find it hard to believe he doesn’t know the Church’s teaching, but just in case he doesn’t, you should bring this portion of the Catechism to his attention and talk through it with him, showing him how the Church teaches, explicitly, that Hell is unending and people can’t get out of it.
 
St. Pope John Paul II wrote in Crossing the Threshold of Hope (pg. 185) that the Church did not pronounce any specific individuals, although Matt 25:46 says there are some damned:
Can God, who has loved man so much, permit the man who rejects Him to be condemned to eternal torment? And yet, the words of Christ are unequivocal. In Matthew’s Gospel he speaks clearly of those who will go to eternal punishment (cf. Matt. 25:46). Who will these be? The Church has never made any pronouncement…”
The Church taught at Fourth Lateran Council in 1215 that souls are in hell, using the present tense, in Canon 1 (excerpt):
And finally, Jesus Christ, the only begotten Son of God made flesh by the entire Trinity, conceived with the co-operation of the Holy Ghost of Mary ever Virgin, made true man, composed of a rational soul and human flesh, one Person in two natures, pointed out more clearly the way of life. Who according to His divinity is immortal and impassable, according to His humanity was made passable and mortal, suffered on the cross for the salvation of the human race, and being dead descended into hell, rose from the dead, and ascended into heaven. But He descended in soul, arose in flesh, and ascended equally in both; He will come at the end of the world to judge the living and the dead and will render to the reprobate and to the elect according to their works. Who all shall rise with their own bodies which they now have that they may receive according to their merits, whether good or bad, the latter eternal punishment with the devil, the former eternal glory with Christ.
 
He knows Church teaching OK he just doesn’t agree with it , basically they are wrong and he is right , there is no reasoning with him, unfortunately people take what he says as ‘Church Teaching’ because it all sounds so great No Hell No Punishment!
 
I’m happy for you.

I find it accurate and that it reflects the reality we see around us.

Isn’t this fun,.
 
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Then, yeah, from the sounds of it he technically qualifies as being heretical. Sadly, you should probably bring this to the attention of your bishop.
 
We just don’t know the beginning from the end as God does. So Julian of Norwich, a 13th? century British believer living during the Black Plague who the Church has recognized to be a visionary/mystic (and who is quoted in the Catechism) pleaded with God to understand the fate of so many who were dying around her. She was “shewn” by Him a simple truth, receiving complete assurance without getting details. With a locution, I believe, He told her, “All shall be well, and all shall be well, and all manner of things shall be well.”

God is infinitely merciful and just, kind and gentle and patient. His nature is actually described fairly well in 1 Cor 13:4-8. He is good beyond our ability to comprehend goodness. So we can rest assured that He’ll do the right thing- and that we won’t be dissatisfied by whatever that means once we know the beginning from the end.
 
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There’s a fairly wide spectrum of acceptable interpretation on this point. Von Balthasar’s “hope” that all will be saved, by means known only to God, while accepting that damnation is a real possibility, is not heretical. On the other side of the spectrum, reading some of these saintly visions of hell, or even the opinions here on CAF, even among those who go to Mass every Sunday, regularly go to confession, etc., Many will be consigned to eternal torment for this or that failing. I hope with all my heart that the truth is closer to the former… if the “one in 60 000 souls will be saved” crowd are right (some people here love that particular sermon), then most of us are already lost.
 
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No matter which end of the spectrum is accurate, none of use are already lost. We are not lost until we make that final “No,” until we reject God that last, final time. Until that time, we can always repent and turn back to Him.

Sadly, if the visions of the saints are the be believed, then it is closer to the latter end, which is frightening. I don’t recall who it was, but she said she saw souls falling into Hell like rain… I personally hope that’s an exaggeration… or maybe only indicative of the end times when most of the world completely turns against God…
 
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Yes, we have to have faith that God is loving and just… but if those visions are to be believed it’s pretty hard not to lose heart. The very thought that the vast majority of humans God created will be in torment beyond comprehension for all eternity is enough to drive anyone to madness.
 
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