Is Trump presidency good for Catholics?

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In what ways Catholics believe Trump is a better model for Christian morality?
 
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Is it possible to set it up as a poll? And would you want to do that?
 
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I would prefer responses instead of poll numbers. Shall I change the question?
 
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I would prefer responses instead of poll numbers. Shall I change the question?
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No, your question is fine, and responses promote discussion, which is good.

My opinion on Trump as a model for Christian morality: He is too disrespectful, too self-absorbed, and too focused on wealth and power to be a good model for Christian morality. In his favor, I will say that he spoke well against abortion in the most recent Presidential election.
 
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Trump is an extremely poor role model, especially pertaining to temper and how a man should treat a woman. That being said, God can and will use anybody to be an instrument, whether they are Pharaoh or whether they are Moses. In another time and place, Emperor Constantine was a deeply imperfect man, but God nonetheless accomplished much through him.

Trump is an asset at a pivotal time in our history for safeguarding religious liberty and appointing justices.

Other than that, there is little I admire in him. It is yet to be seen how much permanent damage his image has caused for the GOP. The alt right is unstable and dangerous and I am 100% positive it will continue to be an adversary to Catholic social teaching. His ascension to the presidency speaks volumes of the sickness of our nation: spiritual, emotional, and mental.
 
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We know that God called on seemingly unworthy men and women to His church’s cause. But most of those He called in had change of heart and theirs were stories of conversion - which cannot be said of Trump at the moment. Our hope is that whatever good Trump has done were based on clear conscience and not merely to play to his conservative supporters which might be mainly for political gain.
 
There isn’t much good I can say about Trump. He is narcissistic, immoral, has a bad temper, impulsive, and not fit to be in the Oval office. He has cheated people out of thousands of dollars at Trump University, in some cases their life savings for a phony University. He has bankrupted his companies putting people out of work and not paid for services rendered. He has hired undocumented immigrants paying them peanuts or not at all. He has no respect for women, the poor and middle class. He lacks empathy. Spends most of his time golfing. He conducts business at his home ( what’s it called? Maralofta or something) anyway he conducts business there so he can make money from having world leaders stay there instead of the White House. He has become a laughing stock to the rest of the world. He disrespects military and has no compassion for widows and families of fallen soldiers… I could go on. At this point I should mention I’m Canadian and apologize for knocking down your President but the truth is the truth. He is also a racist. There is nothing Christian about him. And has even talked bad about our Pope. Trump will go down as the worst President in history.
 
This is a very good summary. At times being an outsider can give you clearer vision than someone in the thick of it.
 
It depends on what you mean by “good for Catholics”. I will not argue that Trump as a person acts as a good moral example for Catholics to follow, but there is no argument that his policies are overall better for Catholics than Clinton would have been. Look at the Little Sisters of the Poor. If Clinton had been elected, they would be in a dire situation right now and would likely be paying hefty fines to the government, endangering their mission to serve the poor. Abortion would be receiving massive support from the federal government; also, the right for Catholic hospitals to refuse to perform abortions, sterilizations, and euthanasia would be in serious jeopardy given that the Supreme Court balance would have shifted to the left. Catholic institutions would also probably have less say over their hiring choices due to this as well (i.e., churches would be more likely to lose in court when firing employees for moral decisions, such as gay marriage). There are a lot of bad things that could have happened that will not happen, at least for the time being, with Trump in office.

Personally, I think Trump’s election was worth it solely for his Supreme Court pick and the potential for more over the next few years.
 
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I haven’t seen any clear sign she is practicing. She could be very secretive about it but as it stands I assume she isn’t a practicing Catholic.
 
I think the Trump presidency has been great for Catholics because it has exposed beyond any reasonable doubt that neither party is particularly close to Catholic teaching and choosing between the two candidates from major parties generally means accepting that a certain amount of what the candidate will support is out of line with Church teaching.

The fallacy that the Republicans are the party of God is an evangelical myth and I have found it sad how many Catholics bought that.
 
He is in no way a “better model for Christian morality.” He’s cheated his contractors. Throws personal insults at anyone who doesn’t agree with him. Admits adultery. Disrespects prisoners of war. Bragged about committing sexual assault. Lies constantly. Encouraged violence against protesters at rallies. Tries to make everything all about him.
What “Christian morality?”
 
Who’s calling Trump a roll model for Christianity?
I voted for him because the pro life issue and HRC was backing the HHS contraceptive mandate.

I already have a Savior
 
The Trump presidency is good for Catholics who were terrified to think of Hillary as our next president after 8 years of Barack Hussein Obama.
 
I think the question in your OP and the question in the topic title are two very different questions.

Trump as a model for Christian morality? Not really in any way that I can think of. The saints are our models for holiness.

Is Trump presidency good for Catholics? Maybe, maybe not. That remains to be seen. There are certainly things that played out better for Catholics this year than they otherwise would have (e.g. SCOTUS nomination, HHS contraception mandate). But then there are things that probably did not.
 
Not good for those Catholics who are facing deportation or have been deported for whatever reason. But I believe the bishops have addressed those issues.
 
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Catholics can thank Mitch McConnell for holding back the Garland nomination for almost a year and then changing Senate rules to confirm a Republican appointee instead. That is, if they think that nominee will uphold Christian values.
 
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Catholics can thank Mitch McConnell for holding back the Garland nomination for almost a year and then changing Senate rules to confirm a Republican appointee instead. That is, if they think that nominee will uphold Christian values
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At what cost in the future. Suppose the Dems win the Senate in 2018 and then Thomas retires in Feb. 2019. The Dems will probably hold up the Supreme Court nominee for 2 years now and use what the Republicans did in 2016 as justification.
 
I do think anyone who has come here illegally and is a felon, should be deported.
 
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