Is using animals for their fur moral or immoral?

[benidict]

Exactly, we must be good stewards. And that means if you want to raise animals for their fur, or meat they should be treated kindly and killed humanely and their suffering kept to the bare minimum. But is not sinful to raise animals for meat and fur under those standards.

except for pit bulls. they are exempt from the fur and meat market. for one thing their meat is too tough. for another, they have better uses, and their fur although soft, is short hair, and not good for coats. Flicka on the other hand. is fair game…I will admit a bias.

 

[Young_Thinker]

still a little confused. Are you saying that pragmatists have no principals?

What do pragmatists have left if their efforts backfire? Usually they go to plan B.

I am sorry for the confusion. There may to be a little ambiguity within this ethical issue. Yes, of course, pragmatists have principles of some kind, but they are not usually based upon what they really want (i.e. an ideal).

 

[benidict]

The Chinese do not just use cats and dogs for their fur. In many regions they use the entire carcass, because they eat them as well. Just sayin’

I love dogs…and my 3 aren’t slated for Sunday dinner. But seriously, loads of cultures have eaten dogs and cats. It is no more immoral to slaughter them than it is a cow or a pig.

I agree. and these mean little ankle biters should be the first to be put on my plate.

 

[Young_Thinker]

I agree. and these mean little ankle biters should be the first to be put on my plate.

Ahh! How cute!

 

[benidict]

Seriously folks. the world really is one big menu. Sometimes even humans are eaten by animals. I think if we had a more open mind to the possibilities, we could seriously curtail world hunger. As long as we raise and kill animals humanely, we should be able to use them for food and clothing. I used to work at a slaughter house. the Whole cow was used. even the hooves. About the only thing I have a real problem with is veal. The way veal is raised is inhumane in my view. so there fore, I wont eat it. To each his own though. I would hope in this case at least, they could find another way to raise the baby cattle, to make their existence a lot less miserable. Its really sad. other wise I say, lets look at alternatives to feed the worlds population and stop being squemish. I think horse is an excelent place to start. Peace And yes. I love horses. I also like to eat.

 

[benidict]

Ahh! How cute!

I agree. I had a hard time choosing a picture, because the others were even cuter than this!

 

[Big_Dummy]

I think that intentionally causing pain to a creature that has conscious experience is morally wrong.

So, if you found a dead bear, you would not make a rug?

 

[Big_Dummy]

1 Timothy 2:8-15 (American Standard Version)

8 I desire therefore that the men pray in every place, lifting up holy hands, without wrath and disputing.

9 In like manner, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefastness and sobriety; not with braided hair, and gold or pearls or costly raiment;

10 but (which becometh women professing godliness) through good works.

11 Let a woman learn in quietness with all subjection.

12 But I permit not a woman to teach, nor to have dominion over a man, but to be in quietness.

13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve;

14 and Adam was not beguiled, but the woman being beguiled hath fallen into transgression:

15 but she shall be saved through her child-bearing, if they continue in faith and love and sanctification with sobriety.

Luke 5:38
But new wine must be put into fresh wine-skins.

Genesis 3:21
And Jehovah God made for Adam and for his wife coats of skins, and clothed them.

Exodus 26:14
And thou shalt make a covering for the tent of rams’ skins dyed red, and a covering of sealskins above.

Genesis 3:21
And Jehovah God made for Adam and for his wife coats of skins, and clothed them.

**It all boils down to the purpose of the fur or animal skin and modesty. **

Romans 14, if one can wear animal skin and be modest, who are you to judge God’s children?

 

[JohnMPhilomena]

And don’t forget… We are supposed to slay the fatted calf when our lost children come home. I have no problem eating meet or using their fur or skin. But it needs to be done without causing the animal to suffer.

 

[foundmyfaith]

Agreed. And I swore off veal years ago. I detest people who abuse animals. All 3’of my dogs are rescue dogs. One was terribly abused.

There is no reason to cause an animal undue pain.

 

[Young_Thinker]

Agreed. And I swore off veal years ago. I detest people who abuse animals. All 3’of my dogs are rescue dogs. One was terribly abused.

There is no reason to cause an animal undue pain.

Indeed. I hope that your dog is all right. However, since you mentioned veal, do not forget that you need to kill a calf to make cheese (the real kind anyway; other forms of rennet are now available, though. But who wants an inferior cheese or something that was made in a genetic laboratory?).

 

[JohnMPhilomena]

Indeed. I hope that your dog is all right. However, since you mentioned veal, do not forget that you need to kill a calf to make cheese (the real kind anyway; other forms of rennet are now available, though. But who wants an inferior cheese or something that was made in a genetic laboratory?).

I’m not sure I understand that. Cheese is made from milk. I worked on a dairy farm, the calves nursed from their mothers for a while and then were either raised (on milk supplements) or sent to a sale. I guess some of them could be slaughtered for veal, but Holsteins are not the stocky type used for veal.

 

[benidict]

Indeed. I hope that your dog is all right. However, since you mentioned veal, do not forget that you need to kill a calf to make cheese (the real kind anyway; other forms of rennet are now available, though. But who wants an inferior cheese or something that was made in a genetic laboratory?).

Is there a place on the label to be able to tell what we are getting? I never knew this. Peace

 

[vsedriver]

I am sorry for the confusion. There may to be a little ambiguity within this ethical issue. Yes, of course, pragmatists have principles of some kind, but they are not usually based upon what they really want (i.e. an ideal).

that makes no sense what so ever. You either have a principle or you don’t. Of course pragmatists principles are based upon what they really want or they wouldn’t have any principles at all.

The only difference I see between a pragmatist and an idealogue is that the pragmatist has principals and ideals that are attainable and an idealist has impossible principals and ideals. The former will make things happen and improve conditions, while the later will waste energy and resources for the unattainable.

 

[Young_Thinker]

that makes no sense what so ever. You either have a principle or you don’t. Of course pragmatists principles are based upon what they really want or they wouldn’t have any principles at all.

The only difference I see between a pragmatist and an idealogue is that the pragmatist has principals and ideals that are attainable and an idealist has impossible principals and ideals. The former will make things happen and improve conditions, while the later will waste energy and resources for the unattainable.

It is hard to explain. But as for what you said, I guess that it is a matter of perspective.

 

[Young_Thinker]

Is there a place on the label to be able to tell what we are getting? I never knew this. Peace

I do not know. I usually do not look at the ingredients for cheese, but my guess is that the type of rennet would not be indicated on the label.

 

[Young_Thinker]

I’m not sure I understand that. Cheese is made from milk. I worked on a dairy farm, the calves nursed from their mothers for a while and then were either raised (on milk supplements) or sent to a sale. I guess some of them could be slaughtered for veal, but Holsteins are not the stocky type used for veal.

Yes, cheese is made from milk. But, like most breads need yeast or baking soda, cheese generally needs rennet (so as to be able to curd). I also believe that the calves that are slaughtered for rennet are younger than those who are intended for veal.

 

[LDNCatholic]

Yes, cheese is made from milk. But, like most breads need yeast or baking soda, cheese generally needs rennet (so as to be able to curd). I also believe that the calves that are slaughtered for rennet are younger than those who are intended for veal.

Also for the milk to keep flowing, a dairy cow needs to be impregnated annually. Which means they give birth annually.

Most of the male calves (save a lucky few kept as breeding stock) will have to be sold and likely slaughtered. Depending on the size of the farm, the female calves may go that way too.

I’m not saying that cheese is bad, just adding to your point that calves definitely die as both a direct result and as a ‘‘side effect’’ of cheese production.

 

[foundmyfaith]

Indeed. I hope that your dog is all right. However, since you mentioned veal, do not forget that you need to kill a calf to make cheese (the real kind anyway; other forms of rennet are now available, though. But who wants an inferior cheese or something that was made in a genetic laboratory?).

You misunderstand me. I don’t have a problem with slaughtering a calf for rennet. I have a problem with abusing an animal before it dies. It is of course possible that all veal calves are used for cheese making, but it is more likely that a chemical process is used in place Of rennet.

 

[Rascalking]

I honestly think it’s immoral to kill an animal for their fur, in particular when there are other ways to get coats and blankets and other stuff like that to keep up warm.

Caveat-I’m a vegetarian who doesn’t eat meat or wear any animal by products. I’m no radical though.