Is Worshipping Allah Idolatrous for Catholics?

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I read Fr Serpas post a week or so ago. Reminds me of V-1, see the difference is those of us who grew up during V-1, we never ask those questions, we “know”. There is “no” worship save Jesus Christ of whom “all” salvation comes, and in His Church. And I’m not big on the various social events with differing religious overtones, just saying. That was “discouraged” also.
 
Isn’t Allah just the Arabic word for God? I would definately avoid the Islamic ceremonies.
Yes.
I suppose so, I don’t know how much of an issue the translation holds or where the translation occurs. I suppose in the Syrian Church before Mohammed.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aramaic_language
If you speak to an Arabic speaking Christian they will most likely use the word ‘Allah’ where an English speaking one would use ‘God’ and an Afrikaans speaking one might use ‘Die Here’ (which does not sound, when spoken like someone pointing out a place to expire), a French speaker may use the word in their language for God, etc
Pax Christi!

Can you give the section (or paragraph, whatever it’s called) in the CCC for this?

Thanks much!

God bless.
Svid2, I only have the Compendium to the CCC here, from that it seems that the relevant paragraphs are: 203-205 and 230-231 “the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob” being the key point of saying we worship the same God; one could take a further step and say that we have very different understandings of this ‘same God’.
 
Yes, ‘Allah’ means ‘The God’, but in polytheist days the Kab’ba was replete with gods, and Muhammad’s tribe and family [like the others] would use ‘The God’ to identify the chief god or the one they had a particular loyalty/affinity to.

Much like if there are many bosses in an organisation you work for, you may refer to the senior or most relevant boss as being ‘The Boss’. Muhammad decided to focus on his tribe’s main god and do away with the others, no doubt influenced by his uncle who took him under his wing and who had monotheistic tendencies, and also by Jews and Christians who lived in the area.

Islam still has symbols and practices that link it to the high god - ‘The God’ - the Hubal ‘moon god’ of Mecca.
 
I’m not sure if Allah and God are the same maybe somebody can clarify that for me. Would it be idolatrous for Catholics to worship Allah in Islamic rituals? For example is it wrong to use a prayer quilt and practice Islamic prayer?
Why as a Catholic would you want to go there, its a totally different religion with different ideas, why would you want to use a prayer quilt and pray like a Moslem of which you are not, if you have need of this ritual go to Exposition of the Blessed Sacrament, do your double genuflection before getting into your seat (meaning on your knees and then lower your head to the Blessed Sacrament) and do the same when your leaving, at home you could put a picture of Our Lord up on the table and stretch out on the floor crucifix style and pray.

This might answer your need.
 
And what do I make of the person who insists on telling me to worship God our way not His way?
You need to ask all these questions in RCIA, as Catholics we are not allowed to pray in any other Church , and read a lot more on what it means to be Catholic, to be something you have to understand the teachings, hence RCIA and ask all the questions that you want there.

Walk with the Lord.
 
Pax Christi!

Can you give the section (or paragraph, whatever it’s called) in the CCC for this?

Thanks much!

God bless.
Sure 🙂
841 The Church’s relationship with the Muslims. "The plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place amongst whom are the Muslims; these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind’s judge on the last day."330
scborromeo.org/ccc/p123a9p3.htm

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I don’t see anything wrong with using “Allah” in your prayers, as long as you pray the Catholic way. Allah is just the Arabic word for God… much like Dios is the Spanish word for God. As long as you are referring to the true God of the universe (Father, Son, Holy Spirit), you have no problems. In regards to Islamic rituals, I’d avoid them like the plague. The way Muslims pray was taught specifically by Muhammad.
 
Isn’t Allah just the Arabic word for God? I would definately avoid the Islamic ceremonies.
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Calling Him Allah instead of God would be like calling Him Dieu/Dio/Deus instead of God. Only those who speak English call him God.
 
I am new here, I mean in the sense that I am in RCIA, but I would have thought the benchmark is that a Catholic can participate any religious worship they choose, as long as, and on the condition that, those other religious people are acceptable to share in the Eucharist.🙂
The only religious services a Catholic may attend and satisfy their religious obligations are those of the Orthodox religion and they may take part in these only if they cannot find a Catholic Church locally. Attendence at other religious services does not satisfy their religious obligations.

However Catholics may attend weddings, baptisms, furneral services as long as it is understood that they are not worshiping in that religion, that they are merely observers for a specific reason. They may not receive bread or wine at the " communion " services or take part in other activities such as " altar calls. "

Linus2nd
 
Yes, ‘Allah’ means ‘The God’, but in polytheist days the Kab’ba was replete with gods, and Muhammad’s tribe and family [like the others] would use ‘The God’ to identify the chief god or the one they had a particular loyalty/affinity to.

Much like if there are many bosses in an organisation you work for, you may refer to the senior or most relevant boss as being ‘The Boss’. Muhammad decided to focus on his tribe’s main god and do away with the others, no doubt influenced by his uncle who took him under his wing and who had monotheistic tendencies, and also by Jews and Christians who lived in the area.

Islam still has symbols and practices that link it to the high god - ‘The God’ - the Hubal ‘moon god’ of Mecca.
You are so unaware about that topic that Muhammed rejected whole paganism. Muhammed wanted and prayed Allah for his uncle to accept religion of tawhid(İslam) that rejects everything about paganism. And which symbols link to Hubal? İf you say such thing to a Muslim he/she will laugh. Because you claim such thing that totaly contrary to İslam. Name of Allah is not a pagan name. Muhammed broke all paganism. I see you do not belive indeed that Muhammed is messenger of Allah. That is your thought. But you need search from trustworthy sources. You can read Quran as a first step. You will see that non-words of Quran are belong to Muhammed but words of God. İn the Quran directly Allah speaks not anyone other. Muhammed is just a messenger and prophet of Allah.
 
The Bible is Clear about this point. That Names do Matter.
The name for the God of Abraham is Yahweh, I am, Jehovah, Jesus, Christ, etc.

The words God or Lord are more generic referring to Yahweh or Jesus.

I’ve read that originally “Allah” was a generic term for the leader god for Middle Eastern pagans. Translated as Head god. Later Mohammad said that Allah is the name of the one and only god.

The real problem is who does the Koran say that Allah is. The Koran says that Allah told Abraham to sacrifice Ishmael not Isaac. That the Jews are not the chosen people of God. The Koran doesn’t state that Jesus is the Son of God, he’s only a teach and prophet. Muslims don’t believe in Salvation by Grace through Faith as the Apostles taught us. They don’t believe in the sacrifice on the cross. As a Christian I always pray in the name of Christ Jesus.

I’ve seen on the internet that the Koran may state that Allah was capable of deception which I don’t know for sure but if true is a major miss characterization of Jehovah.

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" “Allah” was a generic term for the leader god for Middle Eastern pagans. " Any proof?

We know exactly that Allah is not a pagan name. The fact is that Pagans know Allah (because of trace and remains religion of Abraham). But they assume their iconoclasts as partner or helpmate of God in God’s work. That is the reason that they are called “pagan”

“The Koran says that Allah told Abraham to sacrifice Ishmael not Isaac.” Which verses in Quran?
Alahh does not do any distinction beetwen his prophets. Here are verses of Quran:

"Praise be to Allah, Who hath granted unto me in old age Ismail and Isaac: for truly my Lord is He, the Hearer of Prayer! Quran: Abraham;39

(72. And We bestowed on him Isaac and, as an additional gift, (a grandson), Jacob, and We made righteous men of every one (of them).
  1. And We made them leaders, guiding (men) by Our Command, and We inspired them to do good deeds, to establish regular prayers, and to give Zakat; and they constantly served Us (and Us only). Al-Anbiyaa:72-73)
(112. And We gave him the good news of Isaac - a prophet,- one of the Righteous. As-saffat:112)

(45. And commemorate Our Servants Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, possessors of Power and Vision.
  1. Verily We did choose them for a special (purpose)- the remembrance of the Hereafter.
  2. They were, in Our sight, truly, of the company of the Elect and the Good. Saad:45-47)
(49. When he had turned away from them and from those whom they worshipped besides Allah, We bestowed on him Isaac and Jacob, and each one of them We made a prophet.
  1. And We bestowed of Our Mercy on them, and We granted them lofty honor on the tongue of truth. Maryam:49-50)
And there are more verses…
 
I have studied the Qur’an and many other Islamic tracts, also the life and times of Muhammad, his family and tribe. I also study the culture(s) of the area and aspects of Arabic. I mostly use Islamic references, but also pray for discernment.

ps. How do you explain a truthful God initially deceiving Muhammad by means of the ‘Satanic Verses’? Surely God is Truth, not Deception. Why the need to ‘abrogate’ if Allah is truth and perfection?
 
What would Jesus do in this situation dear friend?

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I believe Jesus Christ said that since God is Spirit we must worship Him in Spirit and Truth. Not just Spirit not just Truth.

What is the Truth?

I believe Jesus Christ said of himself, I am the way, the Truth the life, no man comes to the Father but BY me (ie himself).

Therefore I would have to conclude that that is God’s way, and any other way is man’s way.
 
The only religious services a Catholic may attend and satisfy their religious obligations are those of the Orthodox religion and they may take part in these only if they cannot find a Catholic Church locally. Attendence at other religious services does not satisfy their religious obligations.

However Catholics may attend weddings, baptisms, furneral services as long as it is understood that they are not worshiping in that religion, that they are merely observers for a specific reason. They may not receive bread or wine at the " communion " services or take part in other activities such as " altar calls. "

Linus2nd
I agree, I think what I said might have been misinterpreted by some. I said it was my understanding that a Catholic can worship in any religion BUT that religion must be “communable” in the Eucharist celebration.

Therefore that rules out the possible worship with Islam, as that religion does not meet the criteria.
 
I believe Jesus Christ said that since God is Spirit we must worship Him in Spirit and Truth. Not just Spirit not just Truth.

What is the Truth?

I believe Jesus Christ said of himself, I am the way, the Truth the life, no man comes to the Father but BY me (ie himself).

Therefore I would have to conclude that that is God’s way, and any other way is man’s way.
I’m not sure how this relates to the “manner” by which you may worship God, and how it differs, in essence, with the Islamic practices of worship?

Is worship of God predominantly an inner expression or an outer form?

How is Jesus the Truth? And what do you do with the Truth once you have it?

🙂

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I’m not sure how this relates to the “manner” by which you may worship God, and how it differs, in essence, with the Islamic practices of worship?

Is worship of God predominantly an inner expression or an outer form?

How is Jesus the Truth? And what do you do with the Truth once you have it?

🙂

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I cannot add mud to crystal clear water, it makes it undrinkable.
 
Another name for the god of Abraham in addition to YHWH and I Am, is ‘El.

I’m sort of echoing what others have said, but I think people need to keep in mind that the Arabic “Allah” is the exact same word as the Hebrew “ ’El”; it comes from the same Semitic trilitteral root. The same word in Akkadian (the parent language of Assyrian and Babylonian) is “ilu”.

Linguistically they are all one and the same word with one and the same meaning; ‘deity’; nothing more than the generic word for ‘god’.

Though there are differences on how ‘El and Allah are interpreted in the Judeo-Christian world vs. Islamic world, it’s the same deity being addressed in both whether you use ‘El, Yahweh, I Am, Adonai, or Allah. It’s just a different form of personal address depending on where you’re from.

From my point of view I don’t see what would be an issue if you wanted to experience how another faith worships the same deity (i.e. if you’re Christian and wanted to see what worship was like at a mosque or synagogue), but it might be construed as somewhat odd if a Christian were to use the term “Allah” (or even 'El / Adonai) on a regular basis either in general reference to, or whilst praying to, God.
 
From my point of view I don’t see what would be an issue if you wanted to experience how another faith worships the same deity (i.e. if you’re Christian and wanted to see what worship was like at a mosque or synagogue), but it might be construed as somewhat odd if a Christian were to use the term “Allah” (or even 'El / Adonai) on a regular basis either in general reference to, or whilst praying to, God.
Sometimes it helps me feel closer to God to speak scripture in its original tongue.

For example, sometimes I say “Eli Eli lama sabachthani”, not because I feel God has forsaken me, but because I feel such pain in my heart that humanity did this to Jesus and he bore those sufferings for me.

For me, personally, the original words in the original language sometimes have a power and a potency I can feel in my heart as more than the translated words.
 
Would it be idolatrous for Catholics to worship Allah in Islamic rituals? For example is it wrong to use a prayer quilt and practice Islamic prayer?
Do you even know anything about Islamic prayer rituals with all of the bowing your forehead to the ground and using all of these various hand gyrations…???

Why would you as a Catholic want to do that.

You can’t just do the prayer rituals without you understanding what you are doing and why you are doing it.

You have to do wudu, and Islamic body washing before you can even begin the prayer process

You have to profess that the Islamic prophet Mohammed is the prophet of Allah

You can pray alone, but your prayers are much more powerful if you pray with other muslims.

You have to face Meca in SA because that is what is commanded from muslims, it’s the center of Allah.

There is so much more ~

Remember this:

Matthew 6

5“And when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by others. Truly I tell you, they have received their reward in full.

6But when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your Father, who is unseen. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you.

7And when you pray, do not keep on babbling like pagans, for they think they will be heard because of their many words.

8Do not be like them, for your Father knows what you need before you ask him.

9“This, then, is how you should pray:

“ ‘Our Father in heaven,

hallowed be your name,

10your kingdom come,

your will be done,

on earth as it is in heaven.

11Give us today our daily bread.

12And forgive us our debts,

as we also have forgiven our debtors.

13And lead us not into temptation,

but deliver us from the evil one.
 
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