Is yoga demonic or no?

[BluesPicker]

Originally Posted by CrimsonThorn View Post
[Its wrong. Some 13 year old vampire goth probably wrote that up.

A pentagram is an inverted five pointed star, representing the Goat of Mendes or whatever. Its satanic otherwise satanists wouldnt use it. Duh ]

        Yes, this is correct.    The point in the middle is down.   LW had a diagram of the Penta-Alpha.  Satanists do use an upside down cross and  the meaning of it is a far cry  from  St. Peter's Cross.   Demons what people to believe that they can be manipulated by sigils or symbols.  There are many texts such as the Goetia  that refer to this.


      One can see the benefits of  Yoga practice from the people here.    Someone brought up "infallibility" in regard to statements made by  then Cardinal Ratzinger.

"In giving assent to the teaching authority of the Church we should recognize the fact that we are giving assent, not to a series of ‘dry’ doctrines decided upon by mere men, but rather to Christ Himself. Moreover, in so far as the Church and Christ are one, this obligation of giving assent also extends to certain matters intimately related to the faith such as the Sacraments instituted by Christ and the ecclesiastical laws by which she governs herself. As St. Catherine of Sienna says, ‘the Church is no other than Christ Himself, and it is she who gives us the Sacraments, and the Sacraments give us life.’(12)

The Catholic Church is not a congregation of people agreeing together, it is not a School of Philosophy or a Mutual Improvement Society. It is rather the Living Voice of God and Christ’s revelation to all people, through all time. It teaches only what its divine Master taught. It is in God’s name that the Church makes the awesome demand she does on the faith of men - a demand that cannot be merely waived aside as being incompatible with the so-called rights of private judgment."

  In other words,  when Cardinal Ratzinger spoke on Yoga and expressed his concerns it was the "Living Voice of God and  Christ's revelation to all people, through all time. 

   It appears that when Church leaders speak some think it is tantamount to stealing candy from a baby and not statements given in the "Light" of  Christian Love.

   It is not   "Pax Christi" but some have the attitude of  "Pax  Anti-Christi" as  they clearly are in rebellion against authority.

  It seems people whose opinions reflect  strict adherence to Catholic Teachings, in good faith, and to the best of their understanding will be hated because   the world hated  their Master,  Jesus Christ,  and surely if they hated the Master, His servants will be hated.

     Basically you are not going to get any support from the Vatican in regards to the practice of Yoga.

What about the asanas - the postures or physical exercises of yoga? May Christians practise them?

“To that question, the answer is “yes”, but with some qualifications:
Deep breathing is a good thing. The increased intake of oxygen lowers the levels of carbon-dioxide in the blood, and is good for metabolism, and therefore for health. Good posture and physical exercise facilitate improved breathing and blood circulation, and tone up the muscles. So, then, a Christian may do yoga? We did not say that. A Christian may do the breathing and the exercises, but does not need to call it “yoga”. Call it simply proper breathing, and fitness exercising.
When we say we are doing ‘yoga’, there are usually other implications. If we closely question those who are teaching us yoga, we are certain to find that, along with their faith in yoga, they have accepted other beliefs, philosophies and practices which are not compatible with the Catholic faith and Biblical revelation. While trying to improve their health of mind and body through yoga, they have usually assimilated beliefs that endanger their faith and Christian spiritual life.”

BluesPicker, a Catholic Spiritual Warfare Type as defined by Lost Wanderer.

 

[Lost_Wanderer]

Yes, this is correct. The point in the middle is down. LW had a diagram of the Penta-Alpha.

Right, I’ll use ‘penta-alpha’ instead of pentagram… or I could just keep saying pentagram like every other normal person instead of wasting time trying to change the way English is spoken.

 

[CrimsonThorn]

Excuse me? Do you have proof? You do know that unfounded accusations are a grave forum violation right? This is the second time you charged me with this and guess what? You bailed the last time! First it was all that nonsense about Marian apparitions and now it’s Goetia.

From now on, I will be calling those two posts in your next responses. Unless you can substantiate your claim, it is you who will be exposed.

I actually did quote you in this very thread from the other thread, back where I warned everyone that your motives on this forum, based on what you have said and your history of inflammatory posts, are unknown and possibly dangerous (such as directing people to the occult apparebtly).

Actually you seem to argue and disagree with a lot of Catholic ideas including the priesthood and holy vocations. But that would be derailing the thread.

Back to yoga discussion…

 

[Lost_Wanderer]

I actually did quote you in this very thread from the other thread, back where I warned everyone that your motives on this forum, based on what you have said and your history of inflammatory posts, are unknown and possibly dangerous (such as directing people to the occult apparebtly).

Yeah I know, about the zodiac (an accusation you flopped in the midst of delivering). I should warn you that stuff like that gets Mod attention as much as my ‘inflammatory’ posts.

Then again, the only ones burning up are you and your camp. I repeat, where did I advocate demon worship? Where did I tell people to start stripping themselves and dancing around naked?

The way you treat my usage of symbols only confirms that your lot is the lot that gets us Catholics the superstitious crackpot label from my atheist friends.

 

[CrimsonThorn]

Yeah I know, about the zodiac, an accusation you flopped in the midst of delivering. I should warn you that stuff like that gets Mod attention as much as my ‘inflammatory’ posts.

Then again, the only burning up are you and your camp. I repeat, where did I advocate demon worship? Where did I tell people to start stripping themselves and dancing around naked?

The way you treat my usage of symbols only confirms that your lot is the lot that gets us Catholics the superstitious crackpot label from my atheist friends.

Whats with the “your camp” stuff? Arent we all Catholics, why the division?

Anyway the mods can view what you wrote themselves. They can judge the severity of your words. You can evem go back in this thread and find it, but ypu refuse to and keep threatening me with “the mods.” My claims are not unfounded.

Anyway…

 

[Lost_Wanderer]

They can judge the severity of your words. You can evem go back in this thread and find it, but ypu refuse to and keep threatening me with “the mods.” My claims are not unfounded.

In the words of Severus Snape, “Then prove it!!!”

 

[CrimsonThorn]

In the words of Severus Snape, “Then prove it!!!”

Ive already done so, and you can go and look for it in this very thread, for the THIRD time.

 

[CrimsonThorn]

Read the quote for yourself, it was an answer to a direct question and he said “yea sure, it does no harm.”

We can end it there, before it is also exposed that LW has admitted to building pornographic websites (by his companies’ command)… but the image of Lw in my mind isnt exactly on par with traditional Catholic ideas, so therefore Im not willing to take any of his comments seriously.

Lets please not derail this thread any further.

Thanks.

 

[Michael_Mayo]

     Basically you are not going to get any support from the Vatican in regards to the practice of Yoga.

What about the CDF:
*That does not mean that genuine practices of meditation which come from the Christian East and from the great non-Christian religions, which prove attractive to the man of today who is divided and disoriented, cannot **constitute a suitable means *of helping the person who prays to come before God with an interior peace, even in the midst of external pressures.

When we say we are doing ‘yoga’, there are usually other implications. If we closely question those who are teaching us yoga, we are certain to find that, along with their faith in yoga, they have accepted other beliefs, philosophies and practices which are not compatible with the Catholic faith and Biblical revelation. While trying to improve their health of mind and body through yoga, they have usually assimilated beliefs that endanger their faith and Christian spiritual life."

And there is the generalization. It is not the exercises nor the breathing that is a danger but the **philosophy & belief **which are usually NOT accepted by Catholics and Christians in general who still benefit from Hatha Yoga.

 

[Domiy]

Yoga is not for Catholics. It shouldn’t be forbidden by the Church for you to stay away from it. If you truly believe in Jesus and his divine mercy, you wouldn’t subject yourself to alternative methods of spiritual interaction and healing.

Even taking out the mantras and chanting don’t make it OK, it’s still yoga, minus a few things. This is like saying I’l eat junk food but I’l stay away from the calories. Bit by bit you think you’ve found a good balance but eventually the entire concept will attach itself to you, exactly what Satan wants. Do not be tempted. Engage in other more traditional forms of exercise like simple aerobics or jogging.

 

[Lost_Wanderer]

We can end it there, before it is also exposed that LW has admitted to building pornographic websites (by his companies’ command)… but the image of Lw in my mind isnt exactly on par with traditional Catholic ideas, so therefore Im not willing to take any of his comments seriously.

The fact that you can’t prove it plus the fact that I can’t even get HTML code right should be enough cause for people not to take your comments seriously.

Lets please not derail this thread any further.

I will if you keep roaring outrageous accusations without evidence. And to cement my point, here’s the so-called ‘Goetia’ post you keep hopping and screaming about:

Nah, what you describe is this stuff at its worst.
At best, this is something you can read if you’re bored and need ideas for fanfiction. :whacky:

Yeah. Sure. Using Zodiac tropes is the same as demon worship.
Are you done shooting yourself in the foot now?

 

[Lost_Wanderer]

This is like saying I’l eat junk food but I’l stay away from the calories. Bit by bit you think you’ve found a good balance but eventually the entire concept will attach itself to you, exactly what Satan wants.

Apples and oranges. The cross was easily separated from its previous representation as a form of Roman execution. (Heck, with food companies trying to formulate low calorie junk food, even the ‘impossible’ scenario you’ve described is slowly being realized by science.)

 

[Lost_Wanderer]

Yeah well, you and I both have dealt with their types long enough to confirm their fetish for logical fallacies. I’ve stopped hoping for anything better.

 

[Michael_Mayo]

Engage in other more traditional forms of exercise like simple aerobics or jogging.

You miss the point. It is not what we do, it is why we do it. There is nothing wrong with the movements themselves (unlike eating junk food). It is our intention and attitude, understanding and philosophy that is important. Look at all the non-christian goods that have been assimilated into the church starting with philosophies of Plato and Aristotle, customs of Christmas and Easter, etc. They can be Christianized and the same goes for the physical movements of yoga. They can bring the body into prayer.
Aerobics and jogging can also be spiritual activities.

 

[ValPal]

Even taking out the mantras and chanting don’t make it OK, it’s still yoga, minus a few things. This is like saying I’l eat junk food but I’l stay away from the calories.

I’ll repeat myself once again. If this is true, you may put you hands together in prayer in Church, since that has specific meaning in Yoga. You can’t say that you can’t pick and choose, then use a particular pose used in yoga.

Bit by bit you think you’ve found a good balance but eventually the entire concept will attach itself to you, exactly what Satan wants. Do not be tempted. Engage in other more traditional forms of exercise like simple aerobics or jogging.

Aerobics and jogging are not substitutes for yoga stretches; they perform different functions.

 

[Michael_Mayo]

I’ll repeat myself once again. If this is true, you may put you hands together in prayer in Church, since that has specific meaning in Yoga. You can’t say that you can’t pick and choose, then use a particular pose used in yoga.

Also evergreens:

Early Romans marked the solstice with a feast called the Saturnalia in honor of Saturn, the god of agriculture. The Romans knew that the solstice meant that soon farms and orchards would be green and fruitful. To mark the occasion, they decorated their homes and temples with evergreen boughs. In Northern Europe the mysterious Druids, the priests of the ancient Celts, also decorated their temples with evergreen boughs as a symbol of everlasting life. The fierce Vikings in Scandinavia thought that evergreens were the special plant of the sun god, Balder.

history.com/topics/history-of-christmas-trees

Are greens demonic or no?

 

[BluesPicker]

What about the CDF:
That does not mean that genuine practices of meditation which come from the Christian East and from the great non-Christian religions, which prove attractive to the man of today who is divided and disoriented, cannot **constitute a suitable means **of helping the person who prays to come before God with an interior peace, even in the midst of external pressures.

And there is the generalization. It is not the exercises nor the breathing that is a danger but the **philosophy & belief **which are usually NOT accepted by Catholics and Christians in general who still benefit from Hatha Yoga.

Yes,  this  is correct.  In fact this is stated over and over.   But  they define  Yoga as both the physical exercises  +  philosophy & belief.   When  I made that statement  I was referring to both. Some of this stuff is subtle,  the differences.

    Cardinal Ratzinger questions if the physical part of training can be separated from  the philosophy & beliefs.   Fr. Amorth feels the same way.   There is a danger inherent in this because there have been many cases of actual possession from people practicing Yoga.  Some of these

poses and postures apparently do give some sort of honor to demonic entities. The one case my friend who is an exorcist here talks about and informs me is believed to be the result of practicing Kundalini. The demon twists and distorts the body into impossible, so it seems, poses where joints are dislocated, and it says that is when “I am most comfortable.” This has been ongoing for over 2 years.

       This  poor person is very brave, suffers to be freed, and is an ordinary person, a very good person, a good Catholic.  The torture is in the deliverance. Many people here speak of demonic disturbances occurring when   they come back to Christ and begin practicing their Catholic faith.   Well the same is true of  possession there is suffering and although this is rare,  IT HAPPENS.

OK, I am not an exorcist but have helped people prepare & pray with them before & after exorcism & deliverance, so I have to know some general stuff. I hope you can appreciate the danger of falling into pride. I am writing out of love and compassion for Christ. If I knew a way to transmit this information in some way with no mention of me or other people. That is all I really know how to do is pray.

 We know that none of this could happen if God didn't allow it. We know that these are "Signs."

The whole Goal is to get to Heaven. This is what life is about. Heaven is the only promise the Church gives. And the devil’s stuff is a tiny portion of life that is out shone by Christ’s Love, Mercy, Compassion, and the list goes on and on…

     I just would like to add that the press gives Fr. Amorth terrible coverage and this is even true to some extent of  our Holy Father,  Benedict XVI.   

     Also,  I had  a series of  little vascular accidents, TIA, Transient Ischemic Attack  strokes a while back  and this makes it hard to communicate my thoughts in a mysterious fashion.  But  with effort  I can hack it out.   That is why  I attach documents.   Many of you don't have time to research so  I post because  I am researching any way.   But it is you who are important not me.

BP

 

[Michael_Mayo]

Yes, this is correct. In fact this is stated over and over. But they define Yoga as both the physical exercises + philosophy & belief. When I made that statement I was referring to both. Some of this stuff is subtle, the differences.
Cardinal Ratzinger questions if the physical part of training can be separated from the philosophy & beliefs. Fr. Amorth feels the same way. There is a danger inherent in this because there have been many cases of actual possession from people practicing Yoga. Some of these poses and postures apparently do give some sort of honor to demonic entities.

Well, again even standing up straight is a Yoga Asana, bending down to touch the toes, indeed, even lying flat on your back - is Savasana a pose total relaxation. Are you saying these activities cannot be seperated from the yoga philososphy? From honoring demonic entities? How unfree we would be if that were so!

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[CrimsonThorn]

Well, again even standing up straight is a Yoga Asana, bending down to touch the toes, indeed, even lying flat on your back - is Savasana a pose total relaxation. Are you saying these activities cannot be seperated from the yoga philososphy? From honoring demonic entities? How unfree we would be if that were so!

http://www.yogaartandscience.com/poses/restpos/shavas/files/Shavasana.jpg

It depends what youre doing it for.

Fasting on Fridays during Lent for God is good.

Fasting on Fridays during Lent for Satan for more abortions is evil.

Standing up is an ordrinary human function.

Standing up with Yoga in mind is for a different purpose.

And BP said SOME positions in Yoga honor demonic entities.

 

[Michael_Mayo]

It depends what youre doing it for.

Fasting on Fridays during Lent for God is good.

Fasting on Fridays during Lent for Satan for more abortions is evil.

Standing up is an ordrinary human function.

Standing up with Yoga in mind is for a different purpose.

And BP said SOME positions in Yoga honor demonic entities.

“It depends what you are doing it for.” EXACTLY what I have been sayng.

Positions honor no one if you do not intend them to.

BP? The oil company? Demonic for sure!