Is yoga demonic or no?

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Michael_Mayo said:
“It depends what you are doing it for.” EXACTLY what I have been sayng.

Positions honor no one if you do not intend them to.

BP? The oil company? Demonic for sure!
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BP…BluesPicker.

I also suppose its not a boxer’s intent to punch anyone either? And hes not punching anyone because hes not intending to…even though hes knocking people out and winning matches. Thats how I see your claims of yoga and intent.

If a boxer never punches, then hes not a boxer. Punching is what boxing is about and its impossible to seperate punching from boxing, just as its impossible to seperate spirituality from yoga!
 
CrimsonThorn said:
BP…BluesPicker.

I also suppose its not a boxer’s intent to punch anyone either? And hes not punching anyone because hes not intending to…even though hes knocking people out and winning matches. Thats how I see your claims of yoga and intent.
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I don’t see the analogy. A boxer’s intent is to outpunch the other boxer.
He or she may do it with or without intending to express hatred.
What does that have to do with yoga?
 
Michael_Mayo said:
I don’t see the analogy. A boxer’s intent is to outpunch the other boxer.
He or she may do it with or without intending to express hatred.
What does that have to do with yoga?
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Who said anything about hatred?

You have wihout realization proven my point.

Boxing is all about outpunching your opponent, as you have stated amd agreed. Is it then possible to eliminate the element of punching from the sport of boxing?
 
CrimsonThorn said:
Who said anything about hatred?

You have wihout realization proven my point.

Boxing is all about outpunching your opponent, as you have stated amd agreed. Is it then possible to eliminate the element of punching from the sport of boxing?
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What point?

What does punching and boxing have to do with yoga?

Are you trying to make the analogy that postures are to yoga as punching is to boxing?

If so, then even boxing, with its punching can be done as sport without evil intention.
 
Michael_Mayo said:
What point?

What does punching and boxing have to do with yoga?

Are you trying to make the analogy that postures are to yoga as punching is to boxing?

If so, then even boxing, with its punching can be done as sport without evil intention.
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If you take punching out of boxing, is it still boxing?
 
Michael_Mayo said:
If so, then even boxing, with its punching can be done as sport without evil intention.
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The problem with the camp you are arguing with is that they have yet to graduate from the myth of absolute symbolism. Heck, that’s actually a tragedy given our Eucharist is the anti-thesis to symbols having some meaning set in stone.

Some people get demonically possessed while doing yoga not because of the poses. It’s because they embraced the forbidden side of it (its spirituality). End of story. It’s not because of some inherent value in the poses themselves.
 
CrimsonThorn said:
If you take punching out of boxing, is it still boxing?
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If I wear a cape and a pointy hat, wave a stick of wood around and say a few cool-sounding gibberish words without the slightest intent thereby of casting any spells am I still a wizard?

People imitate the moves of boxers all the time in gymnasia around the world - they acknowledge as much by calling these classes ‘boxercise’ or similar. They do so without the slightest intent of actually throwing punches at anybody. So yes, the moves of a boxer - and even the term ‘boxing’ - can be co-opted without he intent of fighting anybody.
 
Lost_Wanderer said:
The problem with the camp you are arguing with is that they have yet to graduate from the myth of absolute symbolism. Heck, that’s actually a tragedy given our Eucharist is the anti-thesis to symbols having some meaning set in stone.

Some people get demonically possessed while doing yoga not because of the poses. It’s because they embraced the forbidden side of it (its spirituality). End of story. It’s not because of some inherent value in the poses themselves.
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And yet if that were so I would think millions of people would be possessed.
I do not think there is any link whatsoever otherwise all Hindus and Buddhist embracing the spirituality would be “possessed”.
 
Michael_Mayo said:
Sorry but I still do not see your point.
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Youve already acknowledged that boxing is all about punching, without punching its not boxing, you cant seperate punching from the sport of boxing. Yoga is objectively spiritual, you cant seperate its spiritual nature from the physical aspects of yoga.

If one seperates the spiritual aspect of yoga, its not yoga. So if this is what you and others do, than youre not doing yoga afterall.
 
Lost_Wanderer said:
The problem with the camp you are arguing with is that they have yet to graduate from the myth of absolute symbolism. Heck, that’s actually a tragedy given our Eucharist is the anti-thesis to symbols having some meaning set in stone.

Some people get demonically possessed while doing yoga not because of the poses. It’s because they embraced the forbidden side of it (its spirituality). End of story. It’s not because of some inherent value in the poses themselves.
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Can you elaborate on the Eucharist part? The Eucharist is not a symbol, it is the literal Body of Christ.
 
LilyM said:
If I wear a cape and a pointy hat, wave a stick of wood around and say a few cool-sounding gibberish words without the slightest intent thereby of casting any spells am I still a wizard?

People imitate the moves of boxers all the time in gymnasia around the world - they acknowledge as much by calling these classes ‘boxercise’ or similar. They do so without the slightest intent of actually throwing punches at anybody. So yes, the moves of a boxer - and even the term ‘boxing’ - can be co-opted without he intent of fighting anybody.
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Boxing requires punching, even if youre not fighting anyone. Can you box, or boxercise, or immitate the move of a boxer without throwing a punch? I dare you to try 😛
 
CrimsonThorn said:
Youve already acknowledged that boxing is all about punching, without punching its not boxing, you cant seperate punching from the sport of boxing. Yoga is objectively spiritual, you cant seperate its spiritual nature from the physical aspects of yoga.

If one seperates the spiritual aspect of yoga, its not yoga. So if this is what you and others do, than youre not doing yoga afterall.
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So if we call it ‘exercise-imitating-the-physical-postures-of-yogis’ instead, that must make you happy, surely?

Unfortunately neither you nor Pope Benedict nor even those yogis are arbiters of the English language. The true meaning of a word is determined by a common usage and can change from time to time and place to place.

So yoga, by any proper definition, can mean the physical exercises alone, as well as the physical exercises combined with the spiritual/philosophical constructs. Just like ‘tree’ can mean the literal greenery or things that resembles it in look (eg family tree, shoe tree)
 
LilyM said:
So if we call it ‘exercise-imitating-the-physical-postures-of-yogis’ instead, that must make you happy, surely?

Unfortunately neither you nor Pope Benedict nor even those yogis are arbiters of the English language. The true meaning of a word is determined by a common usage and can change from time to time and place to place.

So yoga, by any proper definition, can mean the physical exercises alone, as well as the physical exercises combined with the spiritual/philosophical constructs. Just like ‘tree’ can mean the literal greenery or things that resembles it in look (eg family tree, shoe tree)
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I dont know, whats wrong with just calling it stretching? Yoga implies spirituality.
 
CrimsonThorn said:
Yoga is objectively spiritual, you cant seperate its spiritual nature from the physical aspects of yoga.
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This bare assertion has been disproven ad naseum. To say this would be like saying you can’t separate this physical gesture from the spiritual nature of its origin.



Obviously, the subculture of ninja fanboys automatically proves you wrong.
CrimsonThorn said:
If one seperates the spiritual aspect of yoga, its not yoga. So if this is what you and others do, than youre not doing yoga afterall.
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When you have become the sole arbiter that flouts the collective power society wields over language, let me know. Otherwise, stop wasting people’s time nitpicking the particular use of a word.
CrimsonThorn said:
Can you elaborate on the Eucharist part? The Eucharist is not a symbol, it is the literal Body of Christ.
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Which is exactly my point. It’s the anti-thesis to the idea of religious symbolism. Ever wondered why Jesus instituted it that way? Clearly, it’s because He knew the fallacies of symbolic mentality. That is the same mentality people in your camp seem to cling to for dear life.
 
CrimsonThorn said:
Boxing requires punching, even if youre not fighting anyone. Can you box, or boxercise, or immitate the move of a boxer without throwing a punch? I dare you to try 😛
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Punch means ‘to hit or strike with the fist.’ If I throw my fists around in the air with no intent to connect with (hit or strike) either an object or another person then I haven’t punched.
 
CrimsonThorn said:
Youve already acknowledged that boxing is all about punching, without punching its not boxing, you cant seperate punching from the sport of boxing. Yoga is objectively spiritual, you cant seperate its spiritual nature from the physical aspects of yoga.

If one seperates the spiritual aspect of yoga, its not yoga. So if this is what you and others do, than youre not doing yoga afterall.
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OK, thank you for the clarification.

Then, what can we call these physical aspects?
 
In very basic terms:

Stretching is cool and non spiritual.

Yoga is spiritual.
 
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